I'm a feminist! — Page 3

Warbler said:

Leonardo said:

Warbler said:

Gaffer Tape said:

Aw, come on, Warbler. I come back after all this time and already there's a *sigh*.  I really do want to know... when you're using the bathroom, a state most people regardless of orientation would consider less than attractive, what does someone's sexuality matter?  Why does it make you feel more comfortable to pretend all men are straight when you're in there?  If you happen to catch an accidental wandering eye when you're peeing, does it ultimately make any practical difference what that person is attracted to, even if you somehow managed to find out with no uncertainty?  Is there going to be any other outcome besides you finishing your business, washing your hands (hopefully), and going about your life?

call me a prude, but I don't want anyone looking my stuff when I am doing my business.  Straight men would have no desire to look at my stuff where as a gay man might, so I guess it just makes me more comfortable to assume all the men in the restroom are straight.  Again call me a prude and call me old fashioned, but I think men's and women's bathrooms should be kept separate.  It has worked fine for years and I just don't want to my business at a urinal when ladies are present.  

but why would anyone want to look at other people's junk while they're doing their business? unless you're that small percent of the population that's into that sorta thing, you're not gonna do that.

 Straight men would have no desire to look at my stuff where as a gay man might...

Assuming and self-absorbed much?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZmCJUSC6g

How am I assuming too much by assuming a gay man would want to look a man's stuff where as a straight would not?  

and I don't think it is vain to not want people looking at your stuff.

Ok, so I assume you'd be fine pissing next to a lesbian, then?

What if she was Ellen?

Mrebo said:

Warbler treasures those simpler times.

yes this, exactly.  If I could work my will, there would be no homosexuals, everyone would be straight and be fine with it.   No one would want to be gay and no one would want to switch genders.  Things would be so much simpler that way.  No offense to homosexuals or transgenders intended. 

Gaffer Tape said:

Warbler said:

Gaffer Tape said:

"Oh good God"?  Would you please care to elaborate?

 I thought it was quite self explanatory. 

Yet again call me a prude and old fashion, but I just don't get the idea of a man dressing like a woman.  Sorry.

Fair enough.  I also don't get the idea of why people ever wore spats, but if you were to post a picture of yourself showing off your new footwear, I'd like to think I wouldn't feel compelled to so strongly invoke the name of a deity over it...

from wikipedia, about the reason for spats: "Their intended practical purpose was to protect shoes and socks from mud or rain"

TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

Leonardo said:

Warbler said:

Gaffer Tape said:

Aw, come on, Warbler. I come back after all this time and already there's a *sigh*.  I really do want to know... when you're using the bathroom, a state most people regardless of orientation would consider less than attractive, what does someone's sexuality matter?  Why does it make you feel more comfortable to pretend all men are straight when you're in there?  If you happen to catch an accidental wandering eye when you're peeing, does it ultimately make any practical difference what that person is attracted to, even if you somehow managed to find out with no uncertainty?  Is there going to be any other outcome besides you finishing your business, washing your hands (hopefully), and going about your life?

call me a prude, but I don't want anyone looking my stuff when I am doing my business.  Straight men would have no desire to look at my stuff where as a gay man might, so I guess it just makes me more comfortable to assume all the men in the restroom are straight.  Again call me a prude and call me old fashioned, but I think men's and women's bathrooms should be kept separate.  It has worked fine for years and I just don't want to my business at a urinal when ladies are present.  

but why would anyone want to look at other people's junk while they're doing their business? unless you're that small percent of the population that's into that sorta thing, you're not gonna do that.

 Straight men would have no desire to look at my stuff where as a gay man might...

Assuming and self-absorbed much?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZmCJUSC6g

How am I assuming too much by assuming a gay man would want to look a man's stuff where as a straight would not?  

and I don't think it is vain to not want people looking at your stuff.

Ok, so I assume you'd be fine pissing next to a lesbian, then?

no, sorry, again I would not be fine doing my business at a urinal with females present, be they straight or gay.

Gaffer Tape said:

Uh-oh.  You've opened that door.  What if it were Chaz Bono?  What bathroom should Chaz go to?

That is to say, Warb, how do you feel about transgendered people in your bathroom?  And by your bathroom, I mean your hypothetical public bathroom.

really?  *sigh* . . .

If they are a man before the operation, ok.    If they are a man after the operation, ok.    If they are a woman before the operation, not ok.   If they are a woman after the operation, not ok.    And I mean ok as in I am fine with doing my business at the urinal with them in the room, and not ok as in I am not fine with doing my business at the urinal with them in the room. 

Gaffer Tape said:

Uh-oh.  You've opened that door.  What if it were Chaz Bono?  What bathroom should Chaz go to?

ok, just looked Chaz up on wikipedia.   Chaz should use the men's room.

I think you've misunderstood what I meant.   I what meant is that transgenders should use whatever bathroom that is for whatever gender they are currently.   

Chaz is currently a man, right?  He should use the men's room. 

I had no intention of hurting your feelings, Gaffer Tape.   It is just that I am a prude and old fashion and don't get the idea of a man dressing like a woman(unless you are one of the men that feel like they should have been born a woman).

Warb, your comment about everyone being straight was pretty offensive, no matter how much you say "no offense."

And, I should point out, gay people were around in those simpler times as well.

yeah, I know they were.

TV's Frink said:

Warb, your comment about everyone being straight was pretty offensive, no matter how much you say "no offense."

well I am sorry to offend, but life would be much simpler if no one was or wanted to be homosexual.    I suppose you could also argue that everything would be just as simple if no one was or wanted to be heterosexual.  But then you'd have a problem,  humanity would cease to exist because no one was having babies(since everyone was homosexual and therefore men and women were not having sex with each other) 

Gaffer Tape said: To constantly wedge people into a one-size-fits-all mentality, I feel, is to the ultimate detriment of humanity because it immediately and irrevocably limits us for the sake of maintaining an arbitrary classification that someone else created.  For the sake of simplicity.

but it is what we have to do in the case of public restrooms, unless you think each place should have billions of restrooms, 1 for each individual person.

Gaffer Tape said:

I absolutely hate those communal trough-style urinals like you find in sports stadiums.

Sports stadiums use those? Ha! Weird! It seems I have probably never been in a sports stadium.

The only place I have seen those trough-style urinals are in gay bars.

TV's Frink said:

Not to mention, I can't admire my own junk.

That bad, huh?

;)

Warbler said:

oh good God.

LOL, Mr. Tolerant Bleeding Heart Liberal, ladies and gentlemen. 

greenpenguino said:

sometimes I like to wear dresses too :(

It's annoying that I can never find high heels in my size too.

Not sure if serious...

Gaffer Tape said:

Warbler said:

oh good God.

I know I should feel insulted by that remark, but I can't help imagining that line as said by William Daniels's John Adams, and that makes me smile.

And this attitude is why I have long loved Gaffer Tape.

Sometimes I feel kind of disappointed that you moved out of this area right as I moved here. But then again, high five for having moved out of this area!

Bingowings said:

Men wear spats to stop gays from looking at their ankles.

Jolly good job too.

I don't want to be accused of being a pedagogue.

And comments like this are why I have grown to love Bingo.

Pedagogue. Hahaha.

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler treasures those simpler times.

yes this, exactly.  If I could work my will, there would be no homosexuals, everyone would be straight and be fine with it.   No one would want to be gay and no one would want to switch genders.  Things would be so much simpler that way.  No offense to homosexuals or transgenders intended.

Fuck! How is it we have spent years in political debate, with you whole heartedly pulling for the Democrats while I waxed on about the virtues of conservatism?

Right now you are spitting the sort of hateful tripe that has gone a long ways in causing me to distance myself from anything republican related. To be honest, I'm actually pretty shocked to read this stuff from you.

Let's say I want to engage in sexual relations with some dude, or I aspire to become a women when I can afford it; how does this make things complicated for you? You said things would be simpler if no one were gay or transgendered. I'm having a really, really, really hard time imagining how any of that makes things less simple for you...

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Warb, your comment about everyone being straight was pretty offensive, no matter how much you say "no offense."

well I am sorry to offend, but life would be much simpler if no one was or wanted to be homosexual.    I suppose you could also argue that everything would be just as simple if no one was or wanted to be heterosexual.  But then you'd have a problem,  humanity would cease to exist because no one was having babies(since everyone was homosexual and therefore men and women were not having sex with each other) 

You seem to be saying that you are basically just anti-sex (or at least feel that sexuality makes things complicated), but have to accept sexuality as a necessary evil for the sake of procreation. Is this accurate?

Here, try this on:

C3PX said:

If I could work my will, there would be no religion, no one would believe in a god or gods, and they would be better for it.   No one would want to be Christians and no one would want to be religious.  Things would be so much simpler that way.  No offense to Christians or religious folk intended.

I feel like had I said this during any of our religious discussions, you would have been rather hurt and offended, Warb.

To be completely honest, though I try not to bring it up, I totally feel like the world would be far better off, though perhaps a bit less interesting, if religion were to altogether die off and become a a thing of the past that everyone cringes or laughs about. Kind of like how we cringe or sometimes chuckle when we think about the fact that doctors used to slice open arteries to let their patients bleed their fevers out.

Why am I saying all of this here and now when it doesn't relate to the topic at hand whatsoever? Because I could never imagine Mrebo applauding my forthrightness for saying such a thing.

If our opinions are backwards, bigoted, hateful, and mean-spirited, perhaps applause is better deserved when you keep it to yourself. If someone here came out and admitted that if they could work their will there would be no black people, because, you know, it would be less complicated that way, I really hope nobody here would applaud their forthrightness for it.

By the way, religious people are okay by me, I've known a lot of awesome and very intelligent religious people.

Mrebo said:

I was at a fancy restaurant in New York. In the bathroom was a wall with water running down it. I didn't see a urinal. I think I saw a man was peeing into the fountain/wall so I followed suit. But the towel guy (perpendicular to me) was staring at me the whole time. Made me wonder if it was in fact a fountain I shouldn't be peeing in. I still wonder.

LOL. I like this story.

C3PX has convinced me to just go ahead and admire my junk, regardless of who might be watching.

Warbler's logic is flawed. Since 1978, procreation no longer requires copulation.