Wasn’t “Frink vs. Fo” a banable offense?
The Person in Question
Yes.
I have no idea what the hell started the latest drama, but it had better end now. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.
Where were you in '77?
^ i don’t really think that is what this is. this is just Drama (notice the capital letter?, yes it needs it)
JEDIT: SilverWook got in before me, this was pointing up two posts
How my decision to resume ignoring him again is anything but a good thing is beyond me.
How my decision to resume ignoring him again anything but a good thing is beyond me.
“I don’t understand” - Anakin Skywalker
The Person in Question
How my decision to resume ignoring him again anything but a good thing is beyond me.
“I don’t understand” - Anakin Skywalker
Damn, that little scamp sure was wise beyond his years.
warbler, duracell, suspicous, frink
Look, I’m blowing off steam, I’m ticked off. I’m allowed. I’ll get over it. 3 of you make no effort whatsoever to interact with me positively ever. All I get from you 3 is the “one right after the other” talking smack. You don’t have to like me but it doesn’t warrant your crap talk either. I’ve worked really hard while I’ve been back to stay calm. Either show a little compassion or leave me alone.
Uh, I wasn’t even commenting on you. I was just making a playful response to ender’s “mini-Frinks unite” comment, and I would’ve made it even if the discussion hadn’t involved you.
What did I do?
*sigh*
I guess?
Yes.
I have no idea what the hell started the latest drama, but it had better end now. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.
I was blowing off steam that built up. I said as much. This was not a Vs. (no-one should be starting rumors that it is). I have no intention of discussing it or responding to it after this post.
I should not have to push the limits of my own patience just to get fellow members to respect my request below.
If you guys aren’t interested in being helpful then please just don’t say anything. If that is too much to ask of you then something is wrong with you, not me.
in the spirit of the thread title: sh*t …
I did get the joke, and I did laugh, thank you.
Yes.
I have no idea what the hell started the latest drama, but it had better end now. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.
I was blowing off steam that built up. I said as much. This was not a Vs. (no-one should be starting rumors that it is)
This is ridiculous. I said that, and it wasn’t a rumor; it was an observation. Don’t make obvious slams against people and then claim that we all misinterpreted what it clearly was.
The Person in Question
this is just Drama
New motto: Trust no-one, watch out only for myself, ridicule and publicly despise anyone that does not share my views because they matter more than yours. bkev was right, this is Frink’s section of the forum, he has set the standards in it.
My new motto: YOUR MOTTO SUCKS!
Blow it out your wazoo, I’m in no mood to contend with your crappy opinion of everything and anything, that you have no concern over.
warbler, duracell, suspicous, frink
Look, I’m blowing off steam, I’m ticked off. I’m allowed. I’ll get over it. 3 of you make no effort whatsoever to interact with me positively ever. All I get from you 3 is the “one right after the other” talking smack. You don’t have to like me but it doesn’t warrant your crap talk either. I’ve worked really hard while I’ve been back to stay calm. Either show a little compassion or leave me alone.
Ender, you of all people should know better, since you’re a Behavioral Health Nurse. If you don’t antagonize friends of stressed out patients then you shouldn’t be antagonizing others to make light of someone else’s stress.
I’m not sure what you mean unless you are perhaps misusing the word “antagonize”. I suspect you mean that I am encouraging friends to antagonize you. I will say this, as a behavioral health nurse, that doesn’t magically fill me with a voluminous sense of overwhelming compassion. Yes, I have a certain sense of patience and love for my patients that many others lack, but it’s not always the same. Something I actually get very frustrated with my patients about is their common sense of victimhood. About 90% of my patients feel that their life sucks because of everyone else’s choices, not about their own. Perhaps I don’t always go about it the right way here online, but it’s a trait of yours that also aggravates me. You seem to miss the fact that you bring a lot of this misery upon yourself. You are obviously a really nice guy, but just like too much of anything, your niceties often get you into conflict with others.
Let me point out a few things about myself. 1) I hardly ever post anymore. Though I’ve increased in the past few months, it’s not nearly what it used to be. Though I read this forum daily, I often go days without posting. That said, 2) I usually come out of hiding to post something only when I feel it’s important. So why do I post criticisms of Jetrell Fo, then? Is it really that important? 3) Yes, I feel it is because there are four traits you exhibit that annoy me: a feeling that there is a conspiracy to elevate TV’s Frink here that even involves the moderators; you misperceive other people’s motives with incredible frequency; you feel the need to correct everyone else’s behavior issues, which are usually minor and automoderated by the forum culture, while failing to conform to said culture yourself; you are so defensive that you refuse to actually self-reflect (in spite of your thread) on what you could be doing that is getting others irritated with you. Your first day back, people were already getting annoyed with you. 4) While you show these traits often, sometimes it’s with great moderation, but other times it is with such vigor that I cannot help but try to make apparent to you what you are doing that is causing such trouble, usually with a little humor.
Let me give examples of the above grievances I have towards your behavior.
Frink Worship and Mod Collusion
How often have you said, “Oh, I see that Frink runs the forum and the moderators aren’t doing anything about. Everyone worships him. Wo is me!”? Guess what? Off Topic was unmoderated for several years, and it was fine. Sure, we got in arguments. I can name everyone that caused my blood pressure to rise: Darth Id, imperialscum, Lord Haseo, DominicCobb, walkingdork, CP3S, TheBoost, Bingowings…and TV’s Frink! Yet, I don’t hold a grudge against any of them, we’ve usually worked out our differences in an amicable manner, and all was well. However, you came along, and you became so insistent that things were not going the way you saw fit, and now Off Topic is (sort of) moderated. If the mods feel that the situation can right itself, I think they trust it to do so, and only you have proven that such is not the case. They are not indulging Frink. They just don’t care enough to intervene, and hope that the people here can actually act like adults.
Misperceived Motives
How often have you targeted Warbler for something you don’t approve of? Warbler is a great guy. I hope he won’t mind me saying this, but he’s also a bit of a different guy. His thinking is very concrete at times. He is very black and white. This sometimes reflects in his political views. He also can be very sensitive about certain topics and really blow up. I have been here long enough and read through enough old threads to know that he has also been the victim of a great deal of bullying. Have you not noticed how often Darth Id mocks him? I think I can say with great certainty that when he posts something like, “Cut that out or I’ll report you,” he is not baiting. Such is not his style. He is not a man of subtlety. He is direct and means what he says. But you have to create drama, implying that a conspiracy is afoot, and even create a whole new thread that basically was targeting Warbler. Now I know how often you rush to the defense of those you see as being bullied, so forgive me for defending my friend when I see you creating a stupid thread that specifically calls him out for something I know he is not doing. This is one of many examples where you think somebody is doing something sneaky. Another example might be the belief in multiple socks in existence. You see motivation, sneakiness, and scheming where there is none.
Backseat Moderating/Correcting Others’ Behaviors
It seems that you cannot help but try to get involved in everyone’s disputes. You try to be a peacemaker, but sometimes it’s just better to let others hammer out their own problems. See the above example involving Warbler, generalfrevious, and Alderaan. Just learn when to keep a lid on it, and trust other adults and the moderators to make the situation right. Sometimes my oldest two kids (twins) love to correct, often with great rudeness, the behavior of the younger two kids. I tell them all the time that the younger two already have parents and don’t need any extras. Is it not the same principle here? We have grownups who can usually act like they’re all grown up, and when they can’t, the mods help out. But somehow, you have to be that “extra parent”. Back off.
Over-defensiveness
Finally, while you’ve admitted some faults on here, they’re usually silly and self-deprecating and wrong. However, when anyone points out legitimately what is causing friction on your part, you fail to acknowledge that maybe they’re right, that maybe a character flaw is coming into play, that maybe you could change something about yourself instead of trying to change others, and that maybe you’d get along better. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if I don’t need to provide any more example here. I think your reply just might be the example I need.
Look, Off Topic will always be a little chaotic. That’s the way most people here like it. It’s a culture that has developed on this site. You are not going to single-handedly change that. If you don’t like it, find another place to discuss topics of passion. I am conservative, remember; I don’t even like reading the politics thread anymore. I hate Trump, yes, but I get pretty annoyed at some of the stupid generalizations of conservatism or religion that I read in that thread. So I usually don’t say anything. There was a time just a few years ago when most of the frequenters were conservatives, and we ran the thread. Now it’s run by liberals. So since I don’t post much anymore and don’t want to get caught up in a heated argument, especially since I know I’m drastically outnumbered these days, I stay away. If you don’t like the overwhelming disagreement, stay away from the thread. If you don’t like the nature of Off Topic, stay away from this part of the forum. If you don’t like the culture of originaltrilogy.com, go to another forum. Don’t keep coming back for punishment and repeating the same errors over and over that I have previously mentioned.
Let me say this last parting bit. I actually do like you and think you’re probably a really great guy in real life. And I will even say that TV’s Frink’s politics and humor have gotten on my nerves many, many times. We’ve fought pretty viciously in the past. But I also think that he’s a good guy, just a different guy than me. I don’t think he ever wants to hurt anyone. I think he just tries to use humor to point out people’s foibles, a trait you don’t much care for. Just because both of you annoy me sometimes doesn’t mean either of you are bad people. I choose to like you both, and I try to put up with those traits that can be irritating. Stay you, keep being kind to everyone, and just tone it down on a few things, and I won’t criticize you anymore.
Well said!
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I agree, except for all the parts that aren’t about me and all the parts that are about me but aren’t 100% complimentary. Those parts get a C- to D+, but the rest gets an A- to A+.
Well said!
+1! Nicely put Ender.
If you guys aren’t interested in being helpful then please just don’t say anything.
Since this simple request of mine has obviously fallen on deaf ears is there anyone else that would like to criticize any part of my person they feel deserve it? If we’re going to discuss and parade one person’s flaws (failings or “foibles”) should we not give everyone an equal chance? I actually think we should have a thread where everyone’s flaws (failings or “foibles”) can be put out for all to see and comment on. A leveling of the playing field, so to speak.
Since this is an inclusive site this shouldn’t be a problem for anyone, right?
New motto: Trust no-one, watch out only for myself, ridicule and publicly despise anyone that does not share my views because they matter more than yours. bkev was right, this is Frink’s section of the forum, he has set the standards in it.
My new motto: YOUR MOTTO SUCKS!
Blow it out your wazoo, I’m in no mood to contend with your crappy opinion of everything and anything, that you have no concern over.
warbler, duracell, suspicous, frink
Look, I’m blowing off steam, I’m ticked off. I’m allowed. I’ll get over it. 3 of you make no effort whatsoever to interact with me positively ever. All I get from you 3 is the “one right after the other” talking smack. You don’t have to like me but it doesn’t warrant your crap talk either. I’ve worked really hard while I’ve been back to stay calm. Either show a little compassion or leave me alone.
Ender, you of all people should know better, since you’re a Behavioral Health Nurse. If you don’t antagonize friends of stressed out patients then you shouldn’t be antagonizing others to make light of someone else’s stress.
I’m not sure what you mean unless you are perhaps misusing the word “antagonize”. I suspect you mean that I am encouraging friends to antagonize you. I will say this, as a behavioral health nurse, that doesn’t magically fill me with a voluminous sense of overwhelming compassion. Yes, I have a certain sense of patience and love for my patients that many others lack, but it’s not always the same. Something I actually get very frustrated with my patients about is their common sense of victimhood. About 90% of my patients feel that their life sucks because of everyone else’s choices, not about their own. Perhaps I don’t always go about it the right way here online, but it’s a trait of yours that also aggravates me. You seem to miss the fact that you bring a lot of this misery upon yourself. You are obviously a really nice guy, but just like too much of anything, your niceties often get you into conflict with others.
Let me point out a few things about myself. 1) I hardly ever post anymore. Though I’ve increased in the past few months, it’s not nearly what it used to be. Though I read this forum daily, I often go days without posting. That said, 2) I usually come out of hiding to post something only when I feel it’s important. So why do I post criticisms of Jetrell Fo, then? Is it really that important? 3) Yes, I feel it is because there are four traits you exhibit that annoy me: a feeling that there is a conspiracy to elevate TV’s Frink here that even involves the moderators; you misperceive other people’s motives with incredible frequency; you feel the need to correct everyone else’s behavior issues, which are usually minor and automoderated by the forum culture, while failing to conform to said culture yourself; you are so defensive that you refuse to actually self-reflect (in spite of your thread) on what you could be doing that is getting others irritated with you. Your first day back, people were already getting annoyed with you. 4) While you show these traits often, sometimes it’s with great moderation, but other times it is with such vigor that I cannot help but try to make apparent to you what you are doing that is causing such trouble, usually with a little humor.
Let me give examples of the above grievances I have towards your behavior.
Frink Worship and Mod Collusion
How often have you said, “Oh, I see that Frink runs the forum and the moderators aren’t doing anything about. Everyone worships him. Wo is me!”? Guess what? Off Topic was unmoderated for several years, and it was fine. Sure, we got in arguments. I can name everyone that caused my blood pressure to rise: Darth Id, imperialscum, Lord Haseo, DominicCobb, walkingdork, CP3S, TheBoost, Bingowings…and TV’s Frink! Yet, I don’t hold a grudge against any of them, we’ve usually worked out our differences in an amicable manner, and all was well. However, you came along, and you became so insistent that things were not going the way you saw fit, and now Off Topic is (sort of) moderated. If the mods feel that the situation can right itself, I think they trust it to do so, and only you have proven that such is not the case. They are not indulging Frink. They just don’t care enough to intervene, and hope that the people here can actually act like adults.
Misperceived Motives
How often have you targeted Warbler for something you don’t approve of? Warbler is a great guy. I hope he won’t mind me saying this, but he’s also a bit of a different guy. His thinking is very concrete at times. He is very black and white. This sometimes reflects in his political views. He also can be very sensitive about certain topics and really blow up. I have been here long enough and read through enough old threads to know that he has also been the victim of a great deal of bullying. Have you not noticed how often Darth Id mocks him? I think I can say with great certainty that when he posts something like, “Cut that out or I’ll report you,” he is not baiting. Such is not his style. He is not a man of subtlety. He is direct and means what he says. But you have to create drama, implying that a conspiracy is afoot, and even create a whole new thread that basically was targeting Warbler. Now I know how often you rush to the defense of those you see as being bullied, so forgive me for defending my friend when I see you creating a stupid thread that specifically calls him out for something I know he is not doing. This is one of many examples where you think somebody is doing something sneaky. Another example might be the belief in multiple socks in existence. You see motivation, sneakiness, and scheming where there is none.
Backseat Moderating/Correcting Others’ Behaviors
It seems that you cannot help but try to get involved in everyone’s disputes. You try to be a peacemaker, but sometimes it’s just better to let others hammer out their own problems. See the above example involving Warbler, generalfrevious, and Alderaan. Just learn when to keep a lid on it, and trust other adults and the moderators to make the situation right. Sometimes my oldest two kids (twins) love to correct, often with great rudeness, the behavior of the younger two kids. I tell them all the time that the younger two already have parents and don’t need any extras. Is it not the same principle here? We have grownups who can usually act like they’re all grown up, and when they can’t, the mods help out. But somehow, you have to be that “extra parent”. Back off.
Over-defensiveness
Finally, while you’ve admitted some faults on here, they’re usually silly and self-deprecating and wrong. However, when anyone points out legitimately what is causing friction on your part, you fail to acknowledge that maybe they’re right, that maybe a character flaw is coming into play, that maybe you could change something about yourself instead of trying to change others, and that maybe you’d get along better. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if I don’t need to provide any more example here. I think your reply just might be the example I need.
Look, Off Topic will always be a little chaotic. That’s the way most people here like it. It’s a culture that has developed on this site. You are not going to single-handedly change that. If you don’t like it, find another place to discuss topics of passion. I am conservative, remember; I don’t even like reading the politics thread anymore. I hate Trump, yes, but I get pretty annoyed at some of the stupid generalizations of conservatism or religion that I read in that thread. So I usually don’t say anything. There was a time just a few years ago when most of the frequenters were conservatives, and we ran the thread. Now it’s run by liberals. So since I don’t post much anymore and don’t want to get caught up in a heated argument, especially since I know I’m drastically outnumbered these days, I stay away. If you don’t like the overwhelming disagreement, stay away from the thread. If you don’t like the nature of Off Topic, stay away from this part of the forum. If you don’t like the culture of originaltrilogy.com, go to another forum. Don’t keep coming back for punishment and repeating the same errors over and over that I have previously mentioned.
Let me say this last parting bit. I actually do like you and think you’re probably a really great guy in real life. And I will even say that TV’s Frink’s politics and humor have gotten on my nerves many, many times. We’ve fought pretty viciously in the past. But I also think that he’s a good guy, just a different guy than me. I don’t think he ever wants to hurt anyone. I think he just tries to use humor to point out people’s foibles, a trait you don’t much care for. Just because both of you annoy me sometimes doesn’t mean either of you are bad people. I choose to like you both, and I try to put up with those traits that can be irritating. Stay you, keep being kind to everyone, and just tone it down on a few things, and I won’t criticize you anymore.
Post of the Year.
Maybe…it’s only March.
If you guys aren’t interested in being helpful then please just don’t say anything.
Ender’s post was perhaps the most helpful post ever posted, said in the kindest way possible.
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I don’t know, he did say a few mean things about me. But I’ve already forgiven him.
Maybe…it’s only March.
Well, at the very least it’s the best post of the last 12 months*.
*besides maybe Id’s face tattoo post.
Well, I think we can all say we’ve grown together, and each of us has learned something essential about him-/her-/itself, and also about somebody else on this forum. (Wink, wink, you know whoo-hooo!)
And in the end, we all took away the most important lesson of all:
The first, best and, yes, only way to put fruitless conflict to rest, and resume fulfilling, mutually-enriching friendship once again, is…
Let’s all talk about Darth Id more!
:thumbs-up, winking smiley!:
If you guys aren’t interested in being helpful then please just don’t say anything.
Since this simple request of mine has obviously fallen on deaf ears is there anyone else that would like to criticize any part of my person they feel deserve it? If we’re going to discuss and parade one person’s flaws (failings or “foibles”) should we not give everyone an equal chance? I actually think we should have a thread where everyone’s flaws (failings or “foibles”) can be put out for all to see and comment on. A leveling of the playing field, so to speak.
Since this is an inclusive site this shouldn’t be a problem for anyone, right?
Yeah, actually if someone posted a thread that involved complaining about how awful each person on the forum is, most of us would probably be irritated. You posted something that slammed other members of the forum for no reason and then demanded that nobody respond to you.
The Person in Question
If you guys aren’t interested in being helpful then please just don’t say anything.
Ender’s post was perhaps the most helpful post ever posted, said in the kindest way possible.
Although his post only really points to one culprit, he was actually trying to be helpful, the rest has been response nonsense that just adds fuel to the fire. Hence the repeat of my request with no mention of his response.