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If we watch the movies in #1-#6 order, what doesn't make sense?

When TPM makes a big deal about R2 and Threepio meeting. If that was the first film, there'd be no reason to even show that dialogue. 

Jabba in TPM. Without prior knowledge, it seems that big worm dude is the mayor or something. County racing commissioner? The owner of the track? Why is he there? 

In AOTC all the lil younglings are wearing blast helmets and fighting remotes. Three movies later ObiWan has that exact equipment on the Falcon. How did that happen? 

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The joke where Quiggly John tries to hypnotize Wattle and Wattle says something like, "Whaddaya think yer some kinda jedi?"

Totally meaningless if that's your first exposure to the universe.

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Not necessarily. The viewer learns that Jedi can do mind tricks. Learning about the Jedi as you go along becomes part of the fun.

As for some of the other things: I watched the movies in chronological order (1-6) when I first saw them, and--you're right about just about everything. I don't think Jabba in TPM doesn't make sense, it just ruins his reveal in Episode VI (which is further ruined by his SE appearance). 

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Why doesn't Owen/Beru/Ben show any signs of recognition when they first see Threepio and Artoo in Ep. IV?

Why does Ben say the Republic stood for one thousand generations (which is about 13,000-25,000 years), if Palpatine said it stood for only a thousand years?

Why does Ben say that Yoda was the one who instructed him when it was Qui-Gon?

Why do lightsabers now come equipped with D-rings when the Jedi in the prequels attached them to their belts magnetically?

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^To the first one:

Why does this bother people? Droids are likely mass produced, like cars are in our galaxy, so it is no less plausible for Owen and Beru to not recognize C-3PO (who looks different in Episode IV than in Episode II anyway) and R2-D2 (who is only one of who-knows-how-many astromech droids, since we see at least a dozen in the prequels) than it is for a person to recognize a re-painted truck they once owned, and a car that belonged to someone who visited the neighbours.

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If you started with the first one you would be wondering how the hell these totally schizophrenic taxation cartoons ever got to be so popular.

By the end of the second one you will be convinced it must be some kind of weird British comedy show or something or maybe Canadian.

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Yes but when Ben says categorically that he cannot recall ever owning a droid, well that was just a lie wasn't it--since he owned the very R2 unit Luke was asking him about.

Then again, Ben's made out to be a big liar by ESB, so...

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He only had command over the red one and the copper colared one (presumably they were owned by the Jedi Order), the blue one was owned by Padme and left to Bail Organa so what he told you was true...from a certain point of view.

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I do watch the star wars saga in order and it is 3 films.

Star Wars 1977

The Empire Strikes Back 1980

Return of the Jedi 1983.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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RicOlie_2 said:

^To the first one:

Why does this bother people? Droids are likely mass produced, like cars are in our galaxy, so it is no less plausible for Owen and Beru to not recognize C-3PO (who looks different in Episode IV than in Episode II anyway) and R2-D2 (who is only one of who-knows-how-many astromech droids, since we see at least a dozen in the prequels) than it is for a person to recognize a re-painted truck they once owned, and a car that belonged to someone who visited the neighbours.

Still, if I happened to find/buy/steal some sentient machine that had virtually identical speech patterns and mannerisms to another sentient machine I once owned, I'd mention it, even if only casually and without any real belief that the two machines were one and the same. 

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The largest problem with Anakin building C3PO is the fact that in the OT we see multiple droids that are the same make as C3PO.

Which means that either Anakin Skywalker designed an entire type of droid that would be the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades, or that he was exaggerating when he said he built it, and in fact only put it together from spare parts of other protocol droids. That were conveniently lying around Tatooine and that were the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades.

Either way it makes absolutely no sense at all. The way in which Vader doesn't regard him once in the slightest in the OT only compounds the ever increasing validity to the argument that Lucas can't write.

If you watch the series in numerical order there are numerous problems with the story. The largest problems however would be in regards to narrative, and the fact that the series biggest plot turns hold absolutely no weight to them at all. This is most apparent in ESB, with the discovery of Yoda and Vaders revelation to Luke.

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The largest problem with Anakin building C3PO is the fact that in the OT we see multiple droids that are the same make as C3PO.

Which means that either Anakin Skywalker designed an entire type of droid that would be the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades, or that he was exaggerating when he said he built it, and in fact only put it together from spare parts of other protocol droids. That were conveniently lying around Tatooine and that were the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades.

Either way it makes absolutely no sense at all. The way in which Vader doesn't regard him once in the slightest in the OT only compounds the ever increasing validity to the argument that Lucas can't write.

If you watch the series in numerical order there are numerous problems with the story. The largest problems however would be in regards to narrative, and the fact that the series biggest plot turns hold absolutely no weight to them at all. This is most apparent in ESB, with the discovery of Yoda and Vaders revelation to Luke.

 I think Lucas was or at least thought he was being creative.  Anakin becomes less human and more machine when he becomes Vader, and Threepio is more human than Vader. It  is a kind of irony but like Lucas idea of making the Emperor Anakin's father it further shrinks the universe.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Vozlov said:

The largest problem with Anakin building C3PO is the fact that in the OT we see multiple droids that are the same make as C3PO.

 We even see a silver protocol droid in TPM on the trade federation battleship at the beginning of the movie!

John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/

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I just finished watching 4-6 then 1-3. ROTS would have been entirely ruined if a new viewer had watched it before the OT. When Vader's mask is put on and R2-D2 and C-3PO are given to Captain Antilles, it wouldn't have meant as much nor made sense to someone who started with the prequels. 

Emotionally and logically, it all works a lot better going from the OT to the PT.

“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017

MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707

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Hello everyone :)

WARNING: Its not a list of problems, but explanations to the "problems" that have been listed above. Also the way I've seen them is: I, II, IV, V, VI, III (since I started with I, but had to wait for III for some time to come out). 

-Revelation of Jabba: back when ROTJ came out, it was revelation (wothout huge focus on itself, but still). Nowadays Star Wars are everywhere, so Jabba is well known. When I talk to some people who haven't seen SW, and ask if they know Jabba, they might say "that fat worm-ish guy?". SW are too big nowadays to keep any revelations in OT (at least not at the same level), and it would mean not using Hutts in any other SW product, which is unlikely.

-Training equipment on Falcon: Kenobi had lightsaber (obviously), found some dirty helmet, which is NOT like the one that younglings were using, which is not difficult. So all that's left is training droid, which is small and he could have taken it to train Luke while going to Alderaan and then later (he didn't really plan to be cut by Vader, you know)

-What are Jedi? What's the Force? When I watched Ep.I the way I understood was that Jedi are these dudes with lightsabers and "magic" who maintain peace, and the Force is the "magic" they use to use Force push, be super fast, feel life around, etc. I only got confused by "Sith" a bit, thinking at first that Zabraks are Sith, but with Ep.II it became clear that Sith are "bad Jedi".

-Why in Ep.VI no one is mentioning that Anakin is the chosen one? As we see in Ep.III Jedi have lost their faith in this prophesy.

-Anakin did NOT invent protocol droids, you can see one on the ship of Trade Federation. Darth Vader didn't talk to 3PO even once. He only saw some broken protocol droid with Chewbacca, and 3PO couldn't recognize him ether for obvious reasons (although in some EU comicbook Vader had a flashback to 3PO when he saw him, I believe, but nothing more). There are no positives or negatives in "Anankin built 3PO", just Lucas' fetish for "rhyming in storytelling".

-Owen doesn't recognize 3PO or doesn't even mention him. First is that, indeed, there are hundreds if not thousands of protocol droids and astro-droids, and 3PO looks very different and had memory wipe. And he had only seed R2 once. Why not mentioning it? To whom? Beru? She knows it herself. To Luke? Mentioning that "that droid is kinda like the one your dad had", while trying to avoid conversations about Luke's dad? I don't think so.

-Obi-Wan said that Jedi knights have been guardians of Republic for thousand generations, while Palpatine was referring to the fact that the Republic has been whole for 1000 years, when there were no grand scale wars. Although the way it's said can indeed create confusion, especially in EU.

-D-rings on lightsabers: the design of a lightsaber is just a personal preference.

-Obi-Wan owned R4 unit and that one was destroyed 20 years ago, during battle of Coruscant. Other than that, Ben is one lying individual... or rather one with "certain point of view"

-Palpatine is NOT Anakin's father. Anakin was indeed created by the Force, but only because Darth Plagues and Darth Sidious (not sure if Darth Tenebrous has anything to do with it, but whatever) were able to shift the balance of the Force, believing themselves to be above it in a way. Force clearly didn't like it and created a man who's destiny was to destroy them (Plageous was already killed by Sidious, so only one remained) and restore the balance.

Hope it was helpful :)

"Who I am is not important, my message is." Revan

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Vozlov said:

The largest problem with Anakin building C3PO is the fact that in the OT we see multiple droids that are the same make as C3PO.

Which means that either Anakin Skywalker designed an entire type of droid that would be the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades, or that he was exaggerating when he said he built it, and in fact only put it together from spare parts of other protocol droids. That were conveniently lying around Tatooine and that were the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades.

 wat.

He never said nor is it hinted that he designed 3PO. He rebuilt a protocol droid out of scrap he'd been smuggling out of Watto's junkyard.

That the 3PO model is old enough to be found in a junkyard is where I had issues with it.

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To Tobar, about "old enough to be found in a junkyard":

1) So what about it? Seems like these droids were around for a long time.

2)As it's known, Anakin found parts, not a whole broken droid at once. So lets say that someone had his 3PO fixed, and trows out a part. Then another person does the same, but with different part. Watto had huge junk yard, so it probably had a lot of stuff. It's also believed that Anakin might have... ahem... "borrowed" some parts from actual shop (at the background in Watto's store you can see a protocol droid with missing parts).

"Who I am is not important, my message is." Revan

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Its already been mentioned, but all the major revelations of the Original Trilogy are spoiled in the prequels.

The big one :Darth Vader is Luke's father. The scene that had some people gasping in theaters and debating it until Return of the Jedi came out would carry little weight if you watch from I to VI in that order.

Heck. You would even know Luke and Leia are siblings before they kiss. X)

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Tobar said:

Vozlov said:

The largest problem with Anakin building C3PO is the fact that in the OT we see multiple droids that are the same make as C3PO.

Which means that either Anakin Skywalker designed an entire type of droid that would be the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades, or that he was exaggerating when he said he built it, and in fact only put it together from spare parts of other protocol droids. That were conveniently lying around Tatooine and that were the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades.

 wat.

He never said nor is it hinted that he designed 3PO. He rebuilt a protocol droid out of scrap he'd been smuggling out of Watto's junkyard.

That the 3PO model is old enough to be found in a junkyard is where I had issues with it.

 There are junkyards full of wrecked cars of recent vintage where people go to pull useable parts from though. Something Lucas probably did in his hot rod days.

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Where were you in '77?

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pablumatic said:

Its already been mentioned, but all the major revelations of the Original Trilogy are spoiled in the prequels.

The big one :Darth Vader is Luke's father. The scene that had some people gasping in theaters and debating it until Return of the Jedi came out would carry little weight if you watch from I to VI in that order.

Heck. You would even know Luke and Leia are siblings before they kiss. X)

 I can imagine where audiences once laughed when Leia kissed Luke in ESB to make Han jealous, they would now go "Ewwwwwww!" ;)

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Hey, ROTJ stated that they are siblings. Once you watch ROTJ, you won't be able to look at it the same way :))  Thank Obi-Wan and his secrets. Well, at least Luke and Leia had just a kiss and didn't take it any further, that would make things re-e-e-...-a-a-ally awkward O_o 

"Who I am is not important, my message is." Revan

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Vozlov said:

The largest problem with Anakin building C3PO is the fact that in the OT we see multiple droids that are the same make as C3PO.

Which means that either Anakin Skywalker designed an entire type of droid that would be the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades, or that he was exaggerating when he said he built it, and in fact only put it together from spare parts of other protocol droids. That were conveniently lying around Tatooine and that were the pinnacle of protocol droids for decades.

Either way it makes absolutely no sense at all. The way in which Vader doesn't regard him once in the slightest in the OT only compounds the ever increasing validity to the argument that Lucas can't write.

If you watch the series in numerical order there are numerous problems with the story. The largest problems however would be in regards to narrative, and the fact that the series biggest plot turns hold absolutely no weight to them at all. This is most apparent in ESB, with the discovery of Yoda and Vaders revelation to Luke.

 I think little Anny was building a 'Build your own Protocol Droid' partwork magazine/kit by DeAgostini that Watto had delivered for him, I think he was almost finished,....just 6 more issues left

J