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I think George should have just let Adywan do the Special Editions. Then everything would have been okay.
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Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.
Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.
If George had only changed Special effects for the SE and DVD, would people have complained as much? — Page 3
Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.
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Made for IE Forum's Episode III theme month - May 2005.
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Meanwhile, Lucas still gives us the middle finger by this obnoxious party line of "The O-OT doesn't exist." Bollocks! Star Wars was a trendsetter and should have been so for DVD as well, giving us all a choice of which changes to watch on a single disc. Any, all or none. Instead we got flipped off by one of the worst transfers in memory AND a press that sucked up to Lucas rather than calling him on the carpet for all the technical misdeeds of the official DVD.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I think it said a lot about Spielberg's character when, at the last possible minute, he released the 1982 version of E.T. along with the 2002 edition. Granted, the E.T. SE was much more maligned than the SW SE (and for good reasons). But the plan all along was to release the 2002 edition affordably, and release the 1982 edition in a much more expensive set. As the packaging was being prepped, the negative press gave Spielberg and Universal the balls to say "Okay, everybody gets both versions."
Meanwhile, Lucas still gives us the middle finger by this obnoxious party line of "The O-OT doesn't exist." Bollocks! Star Wars was a trendsetter and should have been so for DVD as well, giving us all a choice of which changes to watch on a single disc. Any, all or none. Instead we got flipped off by one of the worst transfers in memory AND a press that sucked up to Lucas rather than calling him on the carpet for all the technical misdeeds of the official DVD.
I think it said a lot about Spielberg's character when, at the last possible minute, he released the 1982 version of E.T. along with the 2002 edition. Granted, the E.T. SE was much more maligned than the SW SE (and for good reasons). But the plan all along was to release the 2002 edition affordably, and release the 1982 edition in a much more expensive set. As the packaging was being prepped, the negative press gave Spielberg and Universal the balls to say "Okay, everybody gets both versions."
Meanwhile, Lucas still gives us the middle finger by this obnoxious party line of "The O-OT doesn't exist." Bollocks! Star Wars was a trendsetter and should have been so for DVD as well, giving us all a choice of which changes to watch on a single disc. Any, all or none. Instead we got flipped off by one of the worst transfers in memory AND a press that sucked up to Lucas rather than calling him on the carpet for all the technical misdeeds of the official DVD.
How could the special edition of ET be more maligned than the special edition of Star Wars?
Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Instead we got flipped off by one of the worst transfers in memory AND a press that sucked up to Lucas rather than calling him on the carpet for all the technical misdeeds of the official DVD.
Instead we got flipped off by one of the worst transfers in memory AND a press that sucked up to Lucas rather than calling him on the carpet for all the technical misdeeds of the official DVD.
Not helped by Lucasfilm's official statement. "Deliberate creative decision" = "denial."
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Maybe if the SE weren't the only choice, I would be more accepting of them. But if the SE just has enhances special effects only, I would think it would be disrespectful to the original films, seeing that the SFX used then were fine with most people. I mean, do you go back to Superman IV and add in present day CGI because the SFX were bad at the time? When we get down to it, the SW franchise is cursed with a mentally ill sociopath as its creator. And that is a terrible fate to befall a movie.
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Nothing in George's behavior suggests that diagnosis, Dr Freud. You're on a roll tonight!
Where were you in '77?
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Mentally ill sociopath...I don't see it. I just see a rich guy who is so full of his success that he won't listen to the fans for the most part and refuses to admit that he has done anything wrong with Star Wars.
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Generalfrevious is the god of hyperbole.
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I have always said if Lucas would have just changed a few special effects in the OT movies, fans like me would still be on his side.
I only got mad when he started tampering with scenes: Greedo shooting first, deleting Sebastian Shaw from the force ghost, and Jedi Rocks.
Even though I still prefer the OOT versions, I wouldn't have complained as much as I do now, and probably would have just lived with the SE if he just updated effects.
Didn't realize I posted in this thread in October 2005. Oh well, atleast I have been consistent:
CO said:
Kinda agree with everyone, if it was just effects, I don't have a problem with it. But when it comes to additional scenes, or change/editing a scene, it is insulting, and makes me want O-OT even more. Lucas could have just really updated the effects in the original Star Wars, and slightly touched ESB & ROTJ and we all would have 'lived' with these SE Editions. But again, Lucas has miscalculated his original fanbase.
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I wonder how forgiving I would have been with the SE changes had GL not taken a big shit on SW with the PT. Greedo Shooting first, the zany robots scene on the approach to Mos Eisley, Jabba turned into a cheap hood who can literally be walked on by drug smugglers, these are all pretty bad and turn the movie into things that I prefer to not watch. But I don't feel like I would have cared as much... like I would still be carrying as much of a grudge about it, had those changes not been followed up with the PT.
In a theoretical world where there is no PT, GL not making the OOT available is still a huge problem, but I don't feel like I would feel this strongly going on 2 decades later.
Especially given the fact that in my mind, thanks to Harmy, the problem of OOT availability is no longer an issue.
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Well, there's plenty of very watchable versions now and the people around here have done an incredible job with assembling those, even more so when considering what they had to work with, but the lack of an official and properly restored version of the OOT still is an issue and will continue to be an issue until such a version is released.
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The problem is, with Harmy and Team -1... you don't get that satisfaction of buying the film you love. You have a copy of it, But it's not quite the same.
That's what's really most messed up about the whole ordeal. We all just want to buy a BluRay of the OUT. That way we own it. That way we pay our respects to the people involved financially. I'm sick of doing that for the substandard product that is the increasingly convoluted Special Edition.
It's like ordering a chocolate milkshake and being told I'm sorry sir, but our manager only wants us to sell half chocolate/half vanilla milkshakes. And you reply that that's ridiculous. The guy behind the counter says i agree sir, but he's the boss. You almost walk out the door. But you want the damn milkshake. The milkshake is decent, you stir it up and get a fair amount of the chocolate you wanted. But it could never completely satisfy you, even though the place in question makes the best milkshakes in town. You feel ripped off. But for the same price, you'd come back in a heartbeat if they would just make you an actual chocolate milkshake.
Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000
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generalfrevious said:
the SW franchise is cursed with a mentally ill sociopath as its creator.
LOL. You're the reason people like us who care about film preservation get a bad rap from casual fans.
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
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CO said:
I have always said if Lucas would have just changed a few special effects in the OT movies, fans like me would still be on his side.
I only got mad when he started tampering with scenes: Greedo shooting first, deleting Sebastian Shaw from the force ghost, and Jedi Rocks.
Even though I still prefer the OOT versions, I wouldn't have complained as much as I do now, and probably would have just lived with the SE if he just updated effects.
Didn't realize I posted in this thread in October 2005. Oh well, atleast I have been consistent:
CO said:
Kinda agree with everyone, if it was just effects, I don't have a problem with it. But when it comes to additional scenes, or change/editing a scene, it is insulting, and makes me want O-OT even more. Lucas could have just really updated the effects in the original Star Wars, and slightly touched ESB & ROTJ and we all would have 'lived' with these SE Editions. But again, Lucas has miscalculated his original fanbase.
This kinda/sorta is how I feel, although what you described would still - for the most part - be the SE we actually got, simply minus the story changes like Greedo shooting first, etc.
If the '97 release had been nothing more than a true restoration of the films, we wouldn't have complained. Unfortunately, as KilroyMcFadden pointed out, George's SE kinda went hand in hand with his plans for the prequels. I should clarify that it's not the story of the movies that bothers me so much as the fact that George wrote the screenplay all by himself (okay, some help in that department on aotc) and directed the movies instead of hiring three new directors.
I've always thought it would be an interesting expirement to watch the theatrical cuts of all six films and see how well the PT blends with the OOT.
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Unacceptable:
-Any kind of prequel parasite (Hayden, "NOOOOOO", Boba's voice, "wessa free!", Dug etc.)
-Greedo shooting
Acceptable/welcome:
-Pretty much everything else
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Pretty much anything else! That includes a broad spectrum of things that you probably don't want happening.
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bkev said:
generalfrevious said:
the SW franchise is cursed with a mentally ill sociopath as its creator.
LOL. You're the reason people like us who care about film preservation get a bad rap from casual fans.
It's the chicken or the egg debate all over again. It's not my fault Lucas has OCD and transfers his obsessions onto the OT, and making it unavailable to the public. The situation with the originals is present in absolutely no other film franchise whatsoever. Lucas should not be able to distort history like this. I don't get how Lucas's irrational behavior should scare off casual fans from the real issues. It's not my fault, it's George's.
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The Warriors would like a word with you. I'd argue the visual changes to that film are more offensive than Star Wars... though there would, of course, be no disputing which is of more cultural significance.
Anyone else want to chime in on famous films where only the director's cut is available?
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
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Amadeus?
I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.
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There's a great looking new HD transfer of the original WARRIORS that's been making the rounds out there (streaming and some HD channels).
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bkev said:
generalfrevious said:
the SW franchise is cursed with a mentally ill sociopath as its creator.
LOL. You're the reason people like us who care about film preservation get a bad rap from casual fans.
I would agree.
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nightstalkerpoet said:
The problem is, with Harmy and Team -1... you don't get that satisfaction of buying the film you love. You have a copy of it, But it's not quite the same.
This is not a problem, at least not to me and others who are enjoying them. The hard work and dedication put in to them by those folks more than makes up for "the copy".
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generalfrevious said:
bkev said:
generalfrevious said:
the SW franchise is cursed with a mentally ill sociopath as its creator.
LOL. You're the reason people like us who care about film preservation get a bad rap from casual fans.
It's the chicken or the egg debate all over again. It's not my fault Lucas has OCD and transfers his obsessions onto the OT, and making it unavailable to the public. The situation with the originals is present in absolutely no other film franchise whatsoever. Lucas should not be able to distort history like this. I don't get how Lucas's irrational behavior should scare off casual fans from the real issues. It's not my fault, it's George's.
Actually, it's both of your faults. Chicken or egg indeed.