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Ideas for a Star Wars Episode Zero

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Episode Zero: Fall of the Sith / Dark Begginings / Birth of the Sith /

The Dath Lord (DL) who has the ability to create life, actually created Yoda and Sidius.

Yoda came first as a failed attempt, although the DL favoured him more.

The DL has the ability do hold/deflect a light saber with his bare hands!

Sidius becomes jealous; he is frustrated with Yoda always beating him in training and so secretely trains in the dark side of the force.

Without the DL knowing; Sidius kills Yoda using his new powers of which Yoda can't defend against yet - it is all new to Yoda.

The DL's only chance to save Yoda is to give in to the dark side and resurrect him, which he does in the presence of Sidius.

Yoda is alive but still unconscience, the DL is severly weakened when resurrecting and must rest, Sidius takes this opportunity to kill him.

Sidius returns to kill Yoda, although now he is awake. A great battle takes place between the two, with Sidius eventually retreating and put into exile.

Yoda begins the Jedi academy.

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Oh yeah, also for an Episode 7 I was thinking:

Han Solo's son becomes a Sith Lord. He kills Luke for failing to protect his father (Han Solo) during some battle.

The new Sith Lord is not quite as powerful as the original DL; he can deflect Light Sabre with his hands but cannot yet raise the dead.

Princess Laya, becomes the Jedi's last hope (like Yoda said: "There is another").

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Tell me what you think.
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Interesting, but I don't really see where you're going with this. If Yoda and Sidious were pupils together, wouldn't Yoda then know that Palpatine was a Sith Lord from Day One? It kind of destroys most of the central plot of the prequels.

This goes against just about everything established on the subject. Episode 7 is a tad better, but could use a lot more fleshing out.


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Very interesting ideas mate.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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"If Yoda and Sidious were pupils together, wouldn't Yoda then know that Palpatine was a Sith Lord from Day One?"

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Yeah nice point.

Have to re-watch episodes 1, 2 and 3 to see if there is EVER a scene when Yoda and Palpatine ACTUALLY meet each other to talk about anything.
i.e. Perhaps they never encounter each other in these episodes.

So, if they never meet once, then the story would make sense. Although I guess, Palpatine could have just been that good at convincing everyone (including Yoda) that he wasn't evil:

You probably have all heard the saying: "The greatest trick the devil ever did was to convince the world that he didn't exist" which would proabably apply here.


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Note: Because I am also a die-hard Stargate fan my variation on this saying is as follows:
"The greatest trick the devil ever did was to convince the world that he is GOD."
Tell me what you think of this variation.

If you watch Stargate, you might get this - i.e. The Gaould convince people that they are Gods, when they are obviously not.
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But yeah, if anyone has the time to re-watch these episodes let me know of a scene when they meet, in which case I'd have to revise my plot. Probably don't have to check episode 3 because the only time when they meet is when they battle near the end.
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The meet in the beginning of episode II, Palpatine even address Yoda directly. Its right before Padme enters Palpatines office after the 'first' attempt on her life.

Actually, i may have combined to seperate meetings, I know there is one line of Palpatines though that goes something like 'Master Yoda, do you think it will come to that' refering to war between the seperatists and the republic.

Also, Yoda is like 800+ in the PT, so according to your story that also makes Palpatine 800+. So unless Palps lives as long as Yoda, or can possess newer bodies to keep himself alive (would explain why Yoda doesnt recognize him, though wouldnt he still sense him) then it wouldnt really work.

-Darth Simon.
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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It's an interesting story, very biblical feeling. Just to help you out, don't worry about Palpatine and Yoda meeting, because from the way I take it, the facial features we see of Palpatine after the lightening is his actual form that is revealed when he over-exerts his power. Thus, Palpatine is a mask for Sidious.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
...from the way I take it, the facial features we see of Palpatine after the lightening is his actual form that is revealed when he over-exerts his power. Thus, Palpatine is a mask for Sidious.

This is what I had thought/hoped for, but RotS went a different direction with it.

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some of your ideas seem sound but i think if you do some more reading and look into the movies more you'll see that alot of them dont work. yoda and pali for one they dont mesh and yoda would know pali jsut through the force in the PT if that did happen. the idea that the DL created pali seems cool thou, i have always wondered how papli being so strong int he force could have esaped the eyes of the republic, and be found by the dark lord, after all he is yodas equal so what are the odds. as for han being a jedi it just dont work cause han is force blind he couldnt sense the broad side of a barn.
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Originally posted by: Hoichi, the Earless
These ideas stink in my humble opinion. No need for them at all; just like the prewankquels.
Stargate stinks likewise.


shut the fuck up you idoit. Let hear some of your bright ideas if your going to insult someone because of theirs.
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Here are some ideas I've accumulated over the years, the're not all mine, but I think they're fitting. This is just one mans opinion, take the way you want:

1.) As far as Hayden and Jake go, if you realize that they are going to struggle with many lines, you should cut out all unnecessary lines from these two. The less said by Anakin the better. I think a more minimalist style to Anakin's dialogue would allow the character to blend in better with Darth Vader, who was always a calculating and efficient with his word choice (examples: "I find your lack of faith disturbing" to Motti, "Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?" to Lando, and "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" to Jerjerrod). Anakin definitey has way too much dialogue in the prequels. If Anakin were more of a minor character in the Phantom Menace and a man of fewer words, he could have been much more effective. I think Obi-Wan should be the hero of all three prequel trilogies, and the scripts should have been written to reflect this. First scene on the chopping block (one of many): "It's working, it's working!" No kid actor could have delivered this line well.

2.) Instead of putting Anakin in the cockpit of the Naboo starfighter in Phantom Menace, Anakin should have stayed with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to watch them fight Darth Maul. This change would have removed the utter lack of seriousness for the space portions of the battle and would have furthered Anakin's character development, by having him witness a traumatic event and be exposed to both sides of the Force. I actually expected this to happen in the movie. Lines like "No one can kill a Jedi ... I wish that were so" and "It's a hard life" from Qui-Gon hint that Anakin will be exposed to these challenges within the movie. The scene would not have required any dialogue from Anakin, but merely a few telling glances from Qui-Gon and Maul. Instead he goes off and destroys the Federation battleships and delivers the line "This is podracing". Horrible stuff. Luke's attack on the Death Star was heroic and required maturity, but Anakin's attack on the Federation ships is idiotic and impossibly lucky, not heroic.

3.) Midi-Chlorians. Most have read my opinions on the matter. I'm tired of this issue so I just left it out.

4.) Shorten the podrace sequence, specifically by removing the pre-race introductions, the awful broadcasters, and Jar-Jar's cheering and by not having Anakin's podracer stall out at the beginning of the race. I cringe every time I watch the beginning of the Podrace. The final lap is decent and is all that was required to make the race seem dramatic and dangerous. The first two laps remove the tension. I also think Jabba should be more menacing in this scene, perhaps by having him laugh every time a racer dies.

5.) I am not a pure Jar-Jar hater like most people. I do hate scenes like when the creature farts at him on Tatooine, and other cheap attempts at humor. I actually think the character had some potential, and not all of his scenes were bad, but many of them were. I actually think the dialogue between Jar-Jar and Padme on Coruscant is excellent, but Jar-Jar's actions in the Battle of Naboo do not like up to his promise of those key lines "Gungans get pasted too, eh? ... Wesa no dying without a fight. Wesa got grand army." I actually love these lines, but they emphasized a change and maturation in Jar-Jar that never came to be. Much like Anakin in the space battle, Jar-Jar is not heroic, he is a stupid coward who gets lucky. We should have seen Jar-Jar's character develop over the course of the film, from initially being a clumsy kid and then learning from the example set by the Jedi and becoming a proud Gungan warrior once the time of crisis puts his people in danger. Jar-Jar should have learned from the Jedi over the course of his travels (specifically, have Qui-Gon give him a peice of advice about fighting droids that he teaches the Gungans later on) and then come back a changed person. We should have seen him rescuing Captain Tarpals in the battle (not vice-versa), and then have him be named general, and make it a bittersweet occasion as he learns he is relieved of his life debt. It also would have been nice to have Jar-Jar demonstrate a fraction of the loyalty to Qui-Gon that Chewie shows towards Han with his life debt. Jar-Jar should have been visibly upset any time he was separated from Qui-Gon, to demonstrate his basic goodness underneath the clumsiness and immaturity, and done some sort of mourning at the funeral (like Chewie's at the Carbonite Chamber).

6.) At least a few Gungans should die in the Battle of Naboo (Hell, even an Ewok died in ROTJ). When Sidious says "Wipe them out, all of them," the droids should have obeyed this command. It actually bothers me when the droids start taking the Gungans prisoner. The droid control ship should go down during the heat of battle, not after the Gungan surrender.

7.) Either re-do the voices of the battle droids with a deeper voice, or have them use no voice at all. The destroyer droids were cooler and more menacing because they did not speak. The same could have been done for the battle droids.

8.) Another main problem I have with the Phantom Menace is the contrived plot device of the leaking hyperdrive. When the pilot rushes to deliver the line "the hyperdrive is leaking" just seconds after passing the blockade it feels very contrived, as does Obi-Wan's super quick reaction to the problem "Here, Tatooine". The hyperdrive problem was already done to death in Empire, and it should not have been used again. The writers could have found some other way for the characters to be stranded on Tatooine. It could have been as simple as saying that the Trade Federation would recognize their ship and destroy it at Coruscant, so that the characters need to buy a new ship. I think the hyperdrive problem is a glaring, sloppy error to the film.

9.) C-3P0 should not have been created by Anakin. His dialogue in TPM is also horrendous at times (ie- repeated lines: "That Jar-Jar creature is quite unusual"). C-3P0 would have worked better as a servant of the Naboo, or as a translator in the Senate, and R2-D2 would have worked better as Anakin's creation. He's the astrodroid with spunk and attitude, after all.

10) HAYDEN'S ACTING: Apart from his lack of tallent, Hayden's horrible portrayal was heightened to obviousness by two factors; bad scripting and bad directing. George Lucas has absolutely no idea how to write or play psychology. The character he created in a young Anakin Skywalker was comparible to a whiney 15-year-old pitching a fit when his father won't let him have the car for the weekend despite being underage as well as ignorant. There was nothing menacing, nothing intimidating, nothing remotely scary in the Anakin he was before Darth Vader. There's not even a shadow of Darth Vader in him. Darth Vader's hatred, all of his anger, would have to have been completely bottled up within him before he became the tyranical war leader. It would have been so subsided that even he didn't know it was there. He would struggle with it, but not know why. Then Darth Sideous, seeing the young man's tallent and potential, would draw that anger out of him and turn him toward the darkside. Recall how horrible Mark Hammil's acting was? However, it was overshadowed by good characterization. Hammil had a lot of anger he was dealing with in regards to an absent father. The character was just written better. Anakin's anger was more Freudian than that with the loss of his mother. However, no where has Anakin ever displayed the type of emotion worthy of being considered a leader. He makes poor childish decisions on a whim without thinking, lashing out without temprament. A leader must be wiser than that. Palpatine shouldn't have seen any potential in su
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good points man i wish all the other PT haters presented there ideas like that. if they did they would get alot more kindness from me.
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shut the fuck up you idoit. Let hear some of your bright ideas if your going to insult someone because of theirs.

Jesus, all I merely stated was an opinion. He wanted criticism, and he's gotten all types.

Glad to know Jedi Council Members are such a friendly lot though.

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"as for han being a jedi it just dont work cause han is force blind"

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Just to clarify I wrote:

"Han Solo's son becomes a Sith Lord. He kills Luke ..."

I'm assuming that Han and Leia have a son (or daughter) who is trained by Luke to be a Jedi but ends up turning to the dark side.
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"the idea that the DL created pali seems cool thou"

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Yeah I thought the idea that the DL created both Yoda and Pali was interesting.
The DL is not really evil to start off with, he only turns to the dark side to save Yoda.

I also thought the idea that the DL has the ability to hold/deflect a light sabre with his hands was cool too.

But yeah I guess having Yoda and Pali as pupils together (with the DL training them) wasn't that great.
However, I do think that Yoda and Pali should be "created" by the DL since they are equally matched.

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see my whole thing is the creating people with the force, if it was done once with ani ok thats great, twice with pali hmmm... ok sure. but also with yoda, then it starts getting a to be a bit too much.
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Seiji, I must say that I like a lot of your ideas. I think it would be rather easy to write a fanfic or make a fanfilm based on the prequel storylines but with some changes like the ones you've mentioned that could easily improve on it.

With a little work, those could shine.


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