Ideas and Suggestions for :Star Trek The Motion Picture (True Fan Edit) — Page 4

I say we re-fit the sucker from top to bottom if possible (even if it takes 18 months). If we rush it, it will look that way. But I am willing to put my heart into this. It's something I always wanted to do, and as I was doing the Special Longer Version I kept having ideas for a new version. This needs to be radically different then the directors vision. The core story will have to be left much the same, but how we get that plot told is open for any creative changes. I have yet to see the Adywan versions, but from what I have read about them, that is the direction I think we should take.  I just got some new software (Adobe CS4), and would like to train up on it with this project. My friend is all up for doing some radical effects too. We don't want campy or jarring, we want classy and respectful.

Bingowings said:

If TMP is to match up more with the OS another big problem is the shuttle bay which is much bigger than the one in the OS (it seems to take up almost all of the ship under the saucer and is on a totally different scale).

It doesn't match up to the more true to the OS shuttle bay we see in TFF (perhaps it may be possible to take the design ethos and colour scheme of TMP and overlay it onto the shuttle bay from TFF).

One matte, easily replaced or eliminated completely!  Unless I'm not remembering clearly and there's another shot of it.

FanFiltration said:

I say we re-fit the sucker from top to bottom if possible (even if it takes 18 months). If we rush it, it will look that way. But I am willing to put my heart into this. It's something I always wanted to do, and as I was doing the Special Longer Version I kept having ideas for a new version. This needs to be radically different then the directors vision. The core story will have to be left much the same, but how we get that plot told is open for any creative changes. I have yet to see the Adywan versions, but from what I have read about them, that is the direction I think we should take.  I just got some new software (Adobe CS4), and would like to train up on it with this project. My friend is all up for doing some radical effects too. We don't want campy or jarring, we want classy and respectful.

Great to hear!

doubleofive said:

Bingowings said:

If TMP is to match up more with the OS another big problem is the shuttle bay which is much bigger than the one in the OS (it seems to take up almost all of the ship under the saucer and is on a totally different scale).

It doesn't match up to the more true to the OS shuttle bay we see in TFF (perhaps it may be possible to take the design ethos and colour scheme of TMP and overlay it onto the shuttle bay from TFF).

One matte, easily replaced or eliminated completely!  Unless I'm not remembering clearly and there's another shot of it.

The actual shuttle bay is not that much bigger. What you are seeing when Kirk enters the ship in The Motion Picture is not just the Shuttle bay. You are seeing most of the lower back half of the ship with all the inner bulkhead separation doors open for cargo loading. In the first image below you can see the shuttle bay from the original series. Under it the Shuttle Bay, and behind are areas of the ship we have never seen before. Some of that area may be the engine room as seen in TOS. 

Now below is the re-fit enterprise cut-away. The actual Shuttle Bay area (as seen in Star Trek V) is within the red box I drew. In Star trek V, there is a bulkhead door in the back of the bay that is in the down position, so we can't see the areas behind it like we can in here in The Motion Picture.  The area within the blue is where Kirk and Scotty enter the Enterprise from the travel Pod. You can see that looking back from Kirk's (and our) visual perspective on that entry point platform, we are see a huge amount of the lower back section of the secondary hull, not just the Shuttle Bay. 

Again I placed the area of the shuttle bay seen in Star trek V, and what was upgraded from the Original series within a red box. All the other ares we see are for shuttle storage and cargo.

When the bulkhead door  is up it lets transports enter right into the back cargo area. This info is confirmed in Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise.

You can also see the shuttle storage in the photo below, that is located under the Shuttle Bay.

I just want to say that these are shots I always liked in the film. They give you a feeling that this is a huge ship getting ready. The shot is fast and does not linger to long. It is on of the few shots that are interesting and welcome IMHO. 

Johnny Ringo said:

You guys are making me want to watch The Motion Picture.

At the end of the day my hopes for this project is a version of the film that i personally find enjoyable, and it seems to be headed that way.

just Re: stuff that i've posted - it's all just ideas really, i'm not setting anything in stone or demanding anything.

I actually do appreciate what they managed to put together with the Director's edition but it doesn't make the movie more enjoyable to me.

There might be better footage elsewhere for Klingon ships and whatnot but I instantly thought of that scene from enterprise. I'd like to try mixing those shots with the interior shots and see how things look - but if someone comes up with something else in the meantime, that's cool too.

Re: the window in the briefing room, i like the idea and i've been thinking along those lines. Pretty sure there's a lot of briefing room scenes scattered throughout the run of enterprise, and i seem to recall some DS9 eps where they were at starfleet headquarters [Sisko and Odo?]...

one thing is fore sure - trekcore.com is one damn awesome resource.

oh yeah, can we brainstorm on ways to include some more aliens throughout the film?

 

 

 

 

Please take a crack at that scene with the Klingon ship.

I'm not up on my Voyager, but there is a view of San Francisco from Harry Kim's apartment window at this webpage. Look here, they will not let me hot-link the photos. http://ditl.org/index.php?daymain=/pagarchitecture.php?A

Since we don't see the beaming very often (especially since we're cutting the accident) and this is the only movie where you can see the tube-like confinement beam, I say we try to redo the beaming altogether, make it match the rest of the TOS movies.  I'm thinking about watching TMP tonight, but I may just watch the beaming to see if we can do something like that...

UPDATE: Watched the bits, we've got Kirk beaming into the office complex and McCoy onto the Enterprise.  I think there's enough there that we can make new blank background plates and cut out the shapes of the characters to let us do a new transporter effect.  I'm bored on business travel this week, I'll take a crack at new background plates tonight using the HD images from TrekCore, the greatest site for fan editors ever.

Beaming mockups!  Quick and dirty:

Awesome stuff that the Nero comic references V'ger.  Nice to see that they try to tie everything into the comics like that.

I just realized that I did the beaming wrong!  The blue glowies are going the wrong direction!

Bingowings said:

I don't get that, surely V'ger would have stored Nero, his crew and his ship in the same fashion as the Klingons and the Starfleet vessels thus making for a much shorter Star Trek 11?

My personal take on the Borg was that V'ger sent a final message back to the machine planet (via the Black Hole therefore backwards in time) telling them of the benefits of merging carbon units with machines only to have the message taken too literally, pretty close to the explanation given in the wee animation there.

Other comics establish that Nero's ship was constructed using tamed future Borg technology, therefore his ship would probably been seen as a friendly to V'ger.

Neither here nor there, unless the FFE V'ger has stuff from alternate universes. ;-)

I like your explanation that the machines should merge with carbon units and they took it literally!  LOL

SilverWook said:

One could put a few frames of Borg imagery into Spock's mindmeld with V'Ger?

A lovely idea, maybe only 1 frame even, just as a treat to us.

I saw the Enterprise episode "Unexpected" on SciFi today, and there is a nice Klingon D7 lookalike in it. The engine nacelles have a blue glow though.

That's the problem with using any of the shots from TUD or "Flashback".  After TMP, all of the Klingon cruisers have glowing engines.

Here is another crazy idea I had last night. Decker should have some personal effects in the captain's quarters to make them look less sterile.  (Presuming Kirk gets them temporarily, and Decker has not had time to remove anything yet.) A picture of his father, the late Commodore Decker, would be a nice touch.

Matt Decker doesn't look his best in "The Doomsday Machine", but maybe a headshot of clean shaven, happy William Windom could be put into a TOS uniform?

That is a crazy idea, but it just might work.  I'm sure we can make Commodore Decker, therefore making the connection canon!  I've always wanted to do one of those fake family photos you see in movies....

Alright, I went through some of the movie mistakes and picked out a few for examples:

The transport doesn't cast a shadow on the E, even though it is lit by the spotlight.

As the transport nears the dock, the red circles show that the interior there jumps down just before the shot is done.  The yellow circle shows a guy whose head seems really big in comparison with the size of the doors.

This is one I spotted myself just watching the movie once.  The starfield remains static as Spock's shuttle approaches, but the angle of ship moves, and the stars move on top of the nacelle!

I just now realized that this sequence of dull flipping shuttles won't be in the FFE, so nevermind.  It's still upsetting that they didn't catch that in the DE.

By the way, sometimes the nacelles glow a little blue, other times they're dark.  Does this correspond with the yellow/blue deflector dish, signifying the warp drive being on or off?  I think that for the FFE, the deflector should always be blue and the nacelles dark.  Seems to be the way it is with all of the other movies, am I right?  (Random images at TrekCore show that it is the case).  Maybe have the yellow deflector in drydock, but blue from the point she's turned on.

Wow, this whole thing with Walter Koenig's son Andrew Koenig missing is making working on this edit kind of depressing at the moment. I hope this event has a positive outcome. Seeing Walter so upset on the T.V. tonight  was just heartbreaking. For any parent to have to go through this, is just horrible.

FF

Yeah, its a bummer to hear about Andrew Koenig.  Someone will find him.

Inspired by the edit, I've made by desktop wallpaper a slideshow of images of the Refit Enterprise from all 6 movies.  I love it.

FF, any word on blue-ing the deflector in all of the shots?  I think it should be done, as that's the way it is in every shot of the E in the rest of the movies.

Johnny, did you say you had an idea on reducing the matte lines?

You guys seem to have a great handle on the visual changes. Blue deflector sounds like a good idea. We just need to make sure that the shots you want adjusted will even be in this edit after we chop this sucker up.   At the moment, I have just been working on the films pacing with all these major scene and trim cuts I have been considering.  I am starting to worry about the last 3rd of the film not being much different from all the others versions out now. The film just fizzles out.

FanFiltration said:

You guys seem to have a great handle on the visual changes. Blue deflector sounds like a good idea. We just need to make sure that the shots you want adjusted will even be in this edit after we chop this sucker up.   At the moment, I have just been working on the films pacing with all these major scene and trim cuts I have been considering.  I am starting to worry about the last 3rd of the film not being much different from all the others versions out now. The film just fizzles out.

Yeah, that's why I haven't been too heavy on the fixes so far.  Maybe you'll need to release a workprint so we can check it for continuity and SFX fixes once you're satisfied with the editing?

In my skipping through the movie, the last third does seem to drag on.  Don't be afraid to take out a machete and cut a whole lot out!

EDIT: Anyone have a copy of "All The President's Men"?  It seems like we could get a decent shot of Stephen Collins from there for a younger Will Decker.  I did some math and figured out that Will would have graduated Starfleet Academy around the time of Doomsday Machine, if not a year or two before.  Can't really find good images of Windom from that era apart from Doomsday.

I'll try to get a work-print done by this Sunday.

Welcome to the party cwg46and2! Thanks for your offer to help with footage.

Guys, think it would be cool to have the Klingons from Star Trek V shoot voyager and knock it into a black hole at the start of the film.  Just joking! ;-)

FanFiltration said:

I'll try to get a work-print done by this Sunday.

Wow, I meant eventually, not in the next few days!  That's awesome.  Having a rough cut done this early means we can tweak whatever we want for as long as we want.  I love it!

cwg46and2 said:

 New to this forum.  Was just thinking how cool it would be to see a great fan edit of TMP, and bam, here you guys are hard at work!  I do have a copy of ATPM, so hit me back, and let me know what you need.  I'm an fanedit fan, but not a fan editor.  Last time I edited anything it was on an Avid in college so I'm way behind the times at this point, but happy to kick in anything I can.  Let me know about ATPM.

Welcome to the boards!  We'll take any help we can get, whether ideas or mockups or anything!  Looks like FF has the general editing down, so we really just need ideas on tweaking things.

What I really need from ATPM is a shot of Stephen Collins happy.  Having not seen the movie, I have no idea if anyone is ever happy in it.  I'm modifying Com. Decker's picture using this:

I'd love to have something where Stephen is looking roughly the same direction with similar lighting.  Preferably standing, though the shot should be in close-up (I'm planning on using body doubles).  Let me know, great to see such a quick response on something I threw out there not expecting anything!

If there's not anything, don't worry about it, I can use a shot from TMP.