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Idea & info: 'Caligula - The Restored Cut' (concept)

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If this isn’t allowed, let me know and I’ll take whatever action I need.

If there’s one film out there that desperately needs restoration (apart from Star Wars, of course), it has to be Tinto Brass’ Caligula. Yes… it would’ve been a political satire had Bob Guccione not gotten his mitts on it and turned it into a flat-out sex film. But with what the media’s been given to us - can it be restored to what it should’ve been? Possibly, I don’t know. What I do know is that the analysis of the footage by Alexander Tuschinski serves as the foundation for this epic task.

Assuming this project actually does get going, I’ve written up a list of the things that need to be done:

  1. First and foremost, remove ALL of the pornographic imagery.
  2. Sort the deleted scenes into their respective points in the film
  3. Try and clean up the negatives made available
  4. Bring in some voice actors to redub some scenes
  5. Try and reconstruct the music from what so little there is of it
  6. Some colour correction.

I do have access to a portion of the footage required, but not all of it. Even so, this is a pretty huge undertaking for me… in fact it might even be the death of me. So this is only in concept stage at the moment.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Oh goodness.  This could very well be the death of you, just because of how badly this film is fucked.  

As per #3 - what kind of footage are you working with?  Tinto Brass claimed that Guccione used "test footage" in the final edit, and given how out-of-focus /bizarrely framed many shots are, I believe him.  

That’s impossible, even for a computer.

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Apart from the film itself, I have what's in the UK Imperial Edition, namely:

  • A few surviving pieces of Tinto's workprint
  • Some of the "Bonus Footage"
  • Several "rushes" of some scenes
  • A few deleted scenes from the Making Of documentary
  • Behind the scenes footage, possibly

The "Io, Caligola" DVD and the Unreleased Guccione Cut should have more detail, but I have access to neither.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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I don't know if you can ever make it what it was supposed to be, but I'm really curious as to what you might be able to come up with for this.

“That’s impossible, even for a computer!”

“You don't do ‘Star Wars’ in Dobly.”

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Yeah unless you have a shooting script or at last a plan I don't see how you can make it work 

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Well the DVD does have two of the draft scripts, so there's a rough idea of how it should be for a start. The aforementioned analysis also includes a treatment which sounds about right.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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That is true. Which is why this hasn't become a full project, at least not yet.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Ah, so Alexander's already reconstructed it? Superb!

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Fred33 said:

Hi everybody,

I noticed you are talking about the "Director's Cut" of Caligula.

You will find this recent interview with Tinto Brass interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbEUwNROrMQ

 

Thanks for that link. This interview is very interesting, especially the part where Tinto Brass ackkowledges that if he were given the opportunity to go back and re-cut the film properly to meet his vision, he would do it. I would be very interested if that ever happened. Weirder things have happened, but I'd be pretty surprised if this ever actually came to pass.

By the way, anybody interested in the film should download the interviewer's book on the film, "Caligula - Reconstruction, analysis, and it's place in Tinto Brass' oevre". It's a whopping 107 page book on the film in it's various edits, and though I have not yet read it, seems like a very in-depth analysis of the film. The web address for his book is given on the youtube interview, and the pdf is available free for download.

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Mission Caligula
Alexander Tuschinski’s 10 year quest to research Tinto Brass’ original ideas for Caligula, culminating in the discovery of Brass’ 1977 workprint - showing the film as a dark political satire, unlike any version ever released.
https://vimeo.com/241947493

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Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

Mission Caligula
Alexander Tuschinski’s 10 year quest to research Tinto Brass’ original ideas for Caligula, culminating in the discovery of Brass’ 1977 workprint - showing the film as a dark political satire, unlike any version ever released.
https://vimeo.com/241947493

nice bump, silverwook 😃

great podcast from several days ago with tuschinski and holland on docu and restoration, to whom it may concern!
https://www.spreaker.com/user/impossiblefunky/epx148-missioncaligula

You really only need to hang mean bastards,
but mean bastards you need to hang.

John ‘The Hangman’ Ruth

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I’m a big fan of Tinto and Caligula, so I was giddy as a schoolboy when I heard the news. The theatrical version is such a mess, so it’s understandable why audiences have felt so alienated by it. It’s like someone trying to read you a poem while a big band plays loudly in the foreground. I imagine that in addition to the deleted content, the scenes we’ve been seeing for years will have a whole different meaning now.

Ideally, apart from a theatrical re-release, the restored cut ought to be presented along with the theatrical one, since the current releases don’t have the original audio.

Caligula’expanded OST, V2 Released
The Shining’s complete OST
Ghidorah, The Tree-Headed Monster (English dub synched to Toho cut)

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SilverWook said:

Mission Caligula
Alexander Tuschinski’s 10 year quest to research Tinto Brass’ original ideas for Caligula, culminating in the discovery of Brass’ 1977 workprint - showing the film as a dark political satire, unlike any version ever released.
https://vimeo.com/241947493

Thanks for the link I just watched the 40min doc - https://vimeo.com/281814277
wow I cant believe they found 100 hours of footage! I cant wait to see a complete cut.

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Ooh, I’ll have to check that out when I get the chance!

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Does anybody happen to have a copy of the book that was mentioned that they would be willing to share? “Caligula - Reconstruction, analysis, and it’s place in Tinto Brass’ oevre”
I have been fascinated by this movie for years and the only book I have been able to find on the subject is a novelization of the film itself from the 70s which is actually rather interesting as it includes scenes detailing Caligulias childhood and relationship with his other siblings. This movie certainly deserves to be preserved as the director originally intended and not as what it turned out to be.