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Idea & Info Wanted: Heat - original audio - has anyone done a preservation?

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Hi, everyone, and especially the audio wizzards.

I just came back from a 35mm projection of Michael Mann’s Heat,and last night, I read on Blu-ray.com the comment of a guy saying that some lines were dropped on the Blu-ray. So now that I just saw it in theater, I compared with my Blu-ray, and the guy’s right. I also compared with my old DVD, and the DVD has these lines.

So I was wondering if someone had done (I just checked all 37 pages of that forum, in vain) or could do an edit of the TrueHD track from the Blu-ray and reinsert the lines back in using the DVD audio. My DVD is PAL @ 384 kbps. Maybe the region 1 NTSC has it @ 448 kbps?

Here’s the comment from Blu-ray.com by DragOnFly :

Last, and also of importance is the involvement of Mann himself on this release. Apparently, the only thing which came out of that was that certain dialogue was cut from the feature for no good reason whatsoever:

Specifically where Diane Venora’s character (Justine) is talking to Vincent Hanna / Pacino after the office party has ended. From the passage below, the first part (“you sift through the detritus”) has been omitted(!).

“You sift through the detritus, you read the terrain, you search for signs of passing, for the scent of your prey … and then you hunt them down. That’s the only thing you’re committed to. The rest is the mess you leave as you pass through.”

The other piece of dialogue is from Pacino’s “great ass” speech to the Alan Marciano character. When Marciano reacts to Pacino’s line “beacuse she’s got a GREAT ASS; and you got your head all the way up it”) Pacino’s “ferocious, aren’t I” line has been cut.

Seriously Mr. Mann; were those two bits of dialogue so out of place that they warranted a cut? Especially the first one?

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Might be waiting a while on that response...

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Why is that? It's a damn good movie with DeNiro and Pacino that has become a "classic" and a reference, and I have read here about the work that was made on the audio for The Good, the Bad and the Ugly and The Last of the Mohicans, so I know there are some guys here that can pull it off.

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Dammit! It's not just the audio on the Diane Venora speech, it's the video, too. It would require a HDrip prior to Blu-ray or upscale the DVD...

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=718791

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I care more about how nerfed the soundtrack was on BD

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I've never owned Heat on laserdisc, but I would imagine this would be better than the DVD if you were to preserve the original audio. Not only for the bits that were cut from the blu-ray, but also potentially for better dynamic range than the blu-ray as dvdmike pointed out. 

I know the DVD is pretty close to the LD audio according to early reviews, but I've never had a chance to compare to really know for sure.

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Seems like Mann likes to revise his films an awful lot...and I agree, some of the changes he makes don't always make much sense.

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I have the LD and equipment to do a lossless capture. Let me know if there's interest.

It's definitely superior to the DVD audio.

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I would love to give this a listen, never saw it on LD.  Presumably, it would be synced to DVD since the BR is missing a few small bits?

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The better would be to create a custom video based on the Blu-ray and DVD uspcales of the one or two shots for the Diane Venora speech. And then, sync the audio to it. Why not the entire LD track? Sure, but if that means no 5.1, then it would be cool to use the couple missing lines from the LD to resinsert them into the TrueHD track, the way it was done for The Good, The Bad and the Ugly or Last of the Mohicans.

I have the Region B Blu-ray and the 2 French DVD editions, so it's PAL and presumably has better definition than the US NTSC disc. I can give it a shot videowise and, if unsuccesful, I can provide someone qualified the DVD shots to create quality upscales. But I wouldn't know anything on how to work on the audio.

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I had a full rate DTS dvd but not anymore :(

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The Japanese DVD? Apparently, it's half rate : 755 kbps.

https://www.avforums.com/video/heat-dts-edition-dvd-review.1275

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Beber said:

The Japanese DVD? Apparently, it's half rate : 755 kbps.

https://www.avforums.com/video/heat-dts-edition-dvd-review.1275

 it was 100% Asian but 100% not the Japanese disc, maybe Korean 

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That may be it, it was not OAR and pretty sure it was a full rate track

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dvdmike said:


That may be it, it was not OAR and pretty sure it was a full rate track


Watch out. A lot of those were "bootleg" re-encoded tracks.

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Yeah I know, found out after I spent a fortune, it did sound different but I got rid years ago