Hi, does the *1st* Warner DVD release of 2001: ASO contain the directional sound/panning and the "I read you" line that's missing on the MGM DVD?
From the posts on this thread and LDDB, the MGM DVD release contains the directional sound/panning.
And DVDBeaver mentions the 1st Warner DVD release and the MGM DVD are identical and IMDB says the Warner DVDs contain the "I read you" line that's missing on the MGM DVD.
Thanks.
skoal said:
Hi, does the *1st* Warner DVD release of 2001: ASO contain the directional sound/panning and the "I read you" line that's missing on the MGM DVD?
From the posts on this thread and LDDB, the MGM DVD release contains the directional sound/panning.
And DVDBeaver mentions the 1st Warner DVD release and the MGM DVD are identical and IMDB says the Warner DVDs contain the "I read you" line that's missing on the MGM DVD.
Thanks.
I own the 1st Warner DVD of 2001. It seems to be the same master as that of the MGM DVD (which I don't own): the two surround channels carry the same signal, there is panning and the line "I read you" is missing.
Do the 2001: ASO LaserDiscs with directional sound/panning also omit the "I read you" line?
I think the CAV LD from the early 90's (according to DiscLord) has the directional sound/panning. Thanks.
skoal said:
... the *1st* Warner DVD ... the MGM DVD release contains the directional sound/panning ... the Warner DVDs contain the "I read you" line that's missing on the MGM DVD.
I received your PM and thought I'd answer it here. "Yes" to all your above excerpts. If by "directional sound/panning" they mean it for the dialogue, then, yes, the dialogue does sound like it's repositioning and taking the ambient sounds with it. However, the music sounds like normal stereo ..
Note that both DVD's show extra audio options, which cannot be selected in the computer media player (indicated in red). However, these options DO NOT show in the DVD audio menus at all (and hence cannot be selected there, either). Strangely, the 1998 MGM DVD omits H.A.L.'s full dialog (again indicated in red) while the 1999 Warner DVD does not.
Thanks for pointing that out! I'm still learning ever more about this movie.
Are you sure? I think the 1999 Warner DVD is the 1st Warner DVD release and valien has this and said the "I read you" line is missing in this release.
I think the 2nd Warner DVD was released in... 2001, but I'm not sure.
Spaced Ranger said:
... the 1999 Warner DVD does not
Spaced Ranger said:
Strangely, the 1998 MGM DVD omits H.A.L.'s full dialog (again indicated in red) while the 1999 Warner DVD does not
The 1999 Warner DVD omits the line "I read you". I just checked once again.
One of you *may* be confusing the 1st and 2nd Warner DVD releases, let's figure this out.
I would like to know if there is a 2001: ASO soundtrack that contains the directional sound/panning and the "I read you" line. Thanks.
skoal said:
One of you *may* be confusing the 1st and 2nd Warner DVD releases, let's figure this out.
I would like to know if there is a 2001: ASO soundtrack that contains the directional sound/panning and the "I read you" line. Thanks.
The 1999 Warner DVD seems to contain the same master as the MGM DVD according to what I read on the web. Therefore the line "I read you" is missing from both, but the soundtrack mantains the original mix of the film (derived from the original 6 channels: five on the front, one on the rear): the dialogue pans, the surround is mono, and if I remember well the surround never carrries the low sound of the spaceship unlike the new Warner DVD, released in 2001, which obviously has a different mix (and the line "I read you" is present).
So I would say that no 2001 soundtracks exists on DVD such as the one you're looking for (i.e., the original mix not omitting the dialogue line).
valien said:
The 1999 Warner DVD omits the line "I read you". I just checked once again.
Did you re-check your sources or play the actual disc?
skoal said:
One of you *may* be confusing the 1st and 2nd Warner DVD releases ...
I thought I might have lost track (no pun intended) of discs and so listened again. H.A.L.'s full dialog is spoken, here, on the Warner 1999 DVD region-1 release. On the off chance there may have been a "quiet re-release" of corrections (it's happened before -- on the Star Wars laserdiscs, for example), here is this disc's movie-files listing from Windows Explorer:
VTS_01_1.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:16 PM
VTS_01_2.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:21 PM
VTS_01_3.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:25 PM
VTS_01_4.VOB 799,458 KB 11/02/1999 06:27 PM
VTS_01_5.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:31 PM
VTS_01_6.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:36 PM
VTS_01_7.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:40 PM
VTS_01_8.VOB 430,240 KB 11/02/1999 06:43 PM
skoal said:
Do the 2001: ASO LaserDiscs with directional sound/panning also omit the "I read you" line?
Which laserdisc also pans and/or truncates that dialog? All of them? Maybe PDB could chime in about the release he has?
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BTW, those "extra" non-selectable audio tracks I previously noted are actually from the DVD's included extras. Apparently, this older-version media player lists all-tracks-all-the-time, regardless of the presently playing video.
Yes, perhaps there is a silent switch... also please recheck the covers/years/releases/missing line, thanks. I'm hoping there is a NTSC DVD English 5.1 version with directional sound/panning that also includes the "I read you" line.
1998 MGM
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1999 (1st) Warner
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2001 (2nd) Warner
From http://www.thedigitalbits.com/site_archive/reviews/2001.html
Also, if you read the link, please keep in mind the reviewer thinks the MGM and 1999 (1st) Warner releases are identical and which release the review is referring to is confusing at times.
Spaced Ranger said:
Did you re-check your sources or play the actual disc?
I checked the disc.
On the off chance there may have been a "quiet re-release" of corrections (it's happened before -- on the Star Warslaserdiscs, for example), here is this disc's movie-files listing from Windows Explorer:
The VOB files on my disc were created on 16th July 1998. So now I suppose that, as you said, there has been a quiet re-release. My disc is contained in a Warner case, inside the 1999 Warner boxset of Kubrick films, but it seems that the disc itself is identical to the 1998 MGM release. Since your disc is different, Warner must have produced a new disc. Or, now that I'm thinking of it, since the box was used when I bought it, it could be that the previous owners switched the discs.
I wonder if Spaced and valien both have used discs that don't match their packaging/cases...
We still need confirmation if the directional audio/panning and the "I read you" line are in:
Thanks.
valien said:
Spaced Ranger said:
Did you re-check your sources or play the actual disc?
I checked the disc.
On the off chance there may have been a "quiet re-release" of corrections (it's happened before -- on the Star Warslaserdiscs, for example), here is this disc's movie-files listing from Windows Explorer:The VOB files on my disc were created on 16th July 1998. So now I suppose that, as you said, there has been a quiet re-release. My disc is contained in a Warner case, inside the 1999 Warner boxset of Kubrick films, but it seems that the disc itself is identical to the 1998 MGM release. Since your disc is different, Warner must have produced a new disc. Or, now that I'm thinking of it, since the box was used when I bought it, it could be that the previous owners switched the discs.
Best way to settle this would be to post a pic of the actual disc you have that you've been checking. I KNOW I have the 1998 MGM release of this movie with the animated menu. I would gladly post a pic of the one I have.
This confusing back n forth is just gonna tire out this thread and that is not fair to the OP.
I'm interested in the '11/02/1999' timestamp because the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD was (according to AMZ) released on '06/29/1999'. It's entirely possible there are silent switch-outs due to the many Kubrick collections (re-)released.
Anyone willing to help, I'm really interested in which LDs, DVDs, and Blu-Rays have:
Also, this post and this post , both from Spaced, shows covers.
Edit: The conversation @~24:45 is highly directional in the 1998 MGM DVD and not directional in the 2007 (3rd) Warner DVD. Specifically these lines:
- Good morning, sir.
- Good morning.
- We haven't seen you up here for a long time.
- No. Very nice to see you again.
- Did you have a pleasant flight, sir?
- Yes, very nice, thanks.
Can anyone comment on the 1999 (1st) and 2001 (2nd) Warner DVD releases. Thanks.
Spaced Ranger said:
... here is this disc's movie-files listing from Windows Explorer:
VTS_01_1.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:16 PM
......
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VTS_01_8.VOB 430,240 KB 11/02/1999 06:43 PM...
Doorlock Homes: "Another case solved, Watkins! Ga-a-ad. How do I do it?"
Dr. Watkins: "I d-d..d-d..don't know ..."
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Apparently, when Warner took 2001 from MGM, they also "inherited" MGM's unsold stock of DVDs ... and either before or after the first run of their DVD pressings, Warner put all the old MGM stock into their new packages for sale. So, look at the disc before you buy based on the box.
Here is the 1998 MGM DVD package on eBay [go to link for zoom-in views]:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-DVD-2001-A-Space-Odyssey-MGM-1998-/301630969880?orig_cvip=true
Here is the deceptive 1999 Warner DVD [w/1998 MGM DVD] package on eBay [go to link for zoom-in views]:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-A-Space-Odyssey-DVD-Stanley-Kubrick-Collection-/131457678683?orig_cvip=true
Zoom-in at eBay and look at the 1998 disc's MGM logo in the 1999 Warner package. Ouch. Class-action law-suit anyone?
The true Warner 1999 DVD disc has the "WB" logo and this picture for it's background photo:
I'll post a similar picture set as soon as one also appears on eBay.
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Spaced Ranger said:
... here, on the Warner 1999 DVD region-1 release ... is this disc's movie-files listing from Windows Explorer:
VTS_01_1.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:16 PM
VTS_01_2.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:21 PM
VTS_01_3.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:25 PM
VTS_01_4.VOB 799,458 KB 11/02/1999 06:27 PM
VTS_01_5.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:31 PM
VTS_01_6.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:36 PM
VTS_01_7.VOB 1,048,574 KB 11/02/1999 06:40 PM
VTS_01_8.VOB 430,240 KB 11/02/1999 06:43 PM
Here, on the MGM 1998 DVD region-1 release, is this disc's movie-files listing from Windows Explorer:
VTS_01_1.VOB 1,048,256 KB 07/16/1998 04:02 PM
VTS_01_2.VOB 1,048,188 KB 07/16/1998 04:06 PM
VTS_01_3.VOB 1,048,332 KB 07/16/1998 04:10 PM
VTS_01_4.VOB 1,048,564 KB 07/16/1998 04:14 PM
VTS_01_5.VOB 1,048,344 KB 07/16/1998 04:18 PM
VTS_01_6.VOB 1,048,530 KB 07/16/1998 04:22 PM
VTS_01_7.VOB 1,048,426 KB 07/16/1998 04:26 PM
VTS_01_8.VOB 185,190 KB 07/16/1998 04:27 PM
Spaced, I'm unsure about your research, however if you can help, please let us know about the directional dialog (see below) for the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD that you own. Thanks.
The conversation @~24:45 is highly directional in the 1998 MGM DVD and not directional in the 2007 (3rd) Warner DVD. Specifically these lines:
- Good morning, sir.
- Good morning.
- We haven't seen you up here for a long time.
- No. Very nice to see you again.
- Did you have a pleasant flight, sir?
- Yes, very nice, thanks.
Can anyone comment on the 1999 (1st) and 2001 (2nd) Warner DVD releases. Thanks.
What matters most (to me) is if there is a DVD with 5.1 Dolby Digital, with the "I read you", and with directional dialog during the scene I mentioned.
Until there are many confirmations I can't/won't believe that there are 2 versions of the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD.
Perhaps I missed it, however I don't see where you mention which version (MGM or non-MGM) of the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD you have.
Spaced Ranger said:
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The trueWarner 1999 DVD disc has the "WB" logo and this picture for it's background photo:
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In sum, the DVD I own is the 1998 MGM one in the 1999 Warner package. The sound mix is apparently faithful to the original one but misses the line "I read you". The LFE channel is sometimes active.
According to Spaced Ranger the 1999 Warner DVD seems to contain the same mix but including the dialogue line.
The other Warner releases on DVD and BD (from 2001 on), and presumably the DCP version, contain the new mix of the film, which is unfaithful to the original one (different dialogue mix, stereo surround, partly different surround content, etc.). The LFE channel is more active than that of the 1998 DVD.
Can other 2001: ASO fans check this out and provide comments?
Also, can someone else besides Spaced confirm the "I read you" line and the directional dialog (in the scene I pointed out here) on the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD? There may be 2 different 1999 Warner DVDs (see here), however this has yet to be confirmed (at least in my opinion).
Observations regarding the 1998 MGM DVD:
skoal,
We went throug a similar situation with the guy looking for particular Halloween audio and we all suggested that he do some of the research for himself due to all the work some of us others were doing for no good reason other than trying to be nice.
Now, you are asking others to do the searching for you and aren't happy when you get some solid answers with pictures included to help sort things out. I have personally filled pm requests from you for audio of things I bought for myself.
Please, try to be a bit more reasonable here.
Even I went to ebay to search out some info for this question. I asked a seller about getting a pic of the disc inside the 1999 DVD they had for sale to make sure it's not the MGM one. You could have easily done this yourself. At this point, once I get a response from the seller, I almost hesitant to post again in this thread because you may not believe my answer even with a picture.
I'm just saying, this is getting frustrating. Sorry if I come off mean, I don't mean to.
Jetrell, my posts have (new) information and I'm posting (my) comments and asking for comments as well.
I don't understand what you're saying and I don't understand what you have an issue or problem with.
Maybe you're just having a bad day, but why take it out on me? I want to go through most of the points you made to show why I don't understand and that perhaps my view is just as valid as yours. But time is precious and I don't play well with fire.
Also, you're not coming off mean, just non-sensical and somewhat manic. Seriously and sheesh!
skoal said:
Jetrell, my posts have (new) information and I'm posting (my) comments and asking for comments as well.
I don't understand what you're saying and I don't understand what you have an issue or problem with. Seriously and sheesh!
I said I was not trying to come off mean and I meant it. Spaced did obvious research that could have been done by you and you still sound like you don't believe him, that is what I was referring to.
Having extra info is great, but it put you no closer to believing that the mix you're looking for just may not exist.
I have no personal issue with you. I don't want one either. I'm just going by what I read. The internet can be cold and what one means doesn't always come across that way so I may be entirely wrong.
fyi .... you said this while wanting "other" 2001 fans to respond even though you have been given answers to said questions ....
Also, can someone else besides Spaced confirm the "I read you" line and the directional dialog (in the scene I pointed out here) on the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD? There may be 2 different 1999 Warner DVDs (see here), however this has yet to be confirmed (at least in my opinion).
Again, I'm assuming you're just having a bad day because what you're saying is that if someone doesn't do research themselves it gives you the right to ridicule and chide them.
Spaced did research, but it's like we're a community and we do things to help and share, but you're attitude is so caustic. Seriously and sheesh!
Lastly and more importantly, there is major confusion regarding Spaced research because Spaced is saying/relaying/alluding-to/implying there are 2 different DVD releases Warner made of 2001: ASO in 1999.
Just that line alone tells me something is wrong with you (at least today).
First off that's somewhat foreboding and second if you don't have a personal issue with me and don't want one either then why ridicule and chide me?!?!? Seriosuly and sheesh!
Jetrell Fo said:
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I have no personal issue with you. I don't want one either.
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You're taking what I've said out of context. I am NOT ridiculing you or chiding you.
I just feel if you believe Spaced's research is unreliable for whatever reason maybe doing some of your own on what he's shown will help you believe what he has found ...... nothing more.