Idea: a possible Red Dwarf fan film... — Page 2

Author: Johnny Ringo
Time: 28-Oct-2006 9:55 PM
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Not yet, I haven't been home but I will.

Is there anything specific we are after...?

Author: daveytod
Time: 29-Oct-2006 3:59 AM
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ideas!!

well, what we need mostly are shots that can be used to get from one scene to another, little scenes with no laugh track, efefcts shots and flashback scenes. Despite knowing pretty much every episode like the back of my hand, I only have series 7 in my possession (although ebay is my friend)

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Author: Johnny Ringo
Time: 29-Oct-2006 4:50 AM
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Oh... i didn't realise you only had 7.

I noticed there are some tasty looking fx shots in the bonus section. some of these could be used to bridge shots.

are you intending to use some sort of method for handling flashbacks? ie: black and white / sepia...Actually one of the early eps had flashbacks - i'll go look at how they handled it.

Author: Jobel
Time: 29-Oct-2006 6:22 AM
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Originally posted by: daveytod
Something else I need to figure out, is just how to segue from one episode into the next without it weeming like, well two episode I suppose.

Back in the days when they used to make cinema features for sale in foreign countries out of American TV shows, they would swap scenes around and have scenes of the next episode starting before scenes from the previous episode had ended. So there was an overlap. Trouble is this is difficult when you have a small cast of characters I suppose like Red Dwarf.

Author: daveytod
Time: 30-Oct-2006 6:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
Oh... i didn't realise you only had 7.

I fully intend on getting 6 if I can get enough of a vision to make it worth it

Author: Johnny Ringo
Time: 30-Oct-2006 7:19 PM
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So I've been watching season 7 [again] and I feel there are a LOT of moments that are a little lame from trying to take the joke too far, There are also a few cases where you might successfully mute out the audience laughing that doesn't overlap dialogue. There are a fair few average scenes that may well be good if you can tighten them up a bit and trim the fat. We dont need to see Kryten dancing around after he's delivered a punchline to get the joke.

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I still recommend dropping all the eps in a blender and combining the best bits into a fresh story. granted that wont be easy. In any case I'm willing to help out in whatever capacity I can - regardless of whether you take my suggestions on board.

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The Good
Tikka To Ride // Ouroboros // Epideme // Nanarchy

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The Bad

Stoke Me A Clipper
is just all round bad. it could have worked well if they'd done things differently, one one hand I like the 'Rimmer finds his own destiny' but loather the fact that there's a hole in the show without him that Kochanski comes nowhere close to filling.

Duct Soup
isn't really that bad I just don't like it - the whole season started gearing towards Krytens feelings over Lister and Kochanski. I prefer when the show was about
1 The last man alive
2 the wacky adventures the guy got into.
I got the sense that all they did all season was sit around in Starbugs kitchen...even tho they didnt. And DS amplifies that for me...It also feels like a bit of a rehash of much better episodes like 'marooned'

Beyond A Joke
Cringe worthy at best, what with 'Jane Austin world'. It could have been really good if it were all about Kryten 'blowing his stack' / the crew trying to save him / and the stuff with Able and the simulant. The whole AR thing really put me off a bit. And other episodes made hilarious use of the AR unit.

Blue
This episode could have been good, but again suffers from trying to be about Kryten vs Kochanski - rather than Lister Missing Rimmer. Maybe in trimmed down / edited fashion this could work and might allow for insertion of more 'flashback clips' using classic moments between Lister and Rimmer from earlier seasons.

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How about something like this...

Teaser - Something compelling with a cliffhanger
Main titles - i suggest scrapping anything that refers to it as season 7 or shows shots that will be ommited. Maybe use some slow mo shots of starbug.
Act 1 Introduce the main characters
Act 2 the high point of the story.
Act 3 Resolution of course. make sure all the questions are asnwere. I hate when movies don't do this.

consider using a fresh name? I guess red dwarf works fine as the ship itself does feature towards the end.

The season 7 title music is too upbeat for a

Maybe have

fade in from black - Lister appears before JFK "I have a strange tale to tell"
opening titles - slow sprawling space sequence with slow / deep theme with title credits.
Lister and JFK discuss the assassination...
Titlecard '3 years earlier'
the assassination intro and the boys fro the drawf beam in to the book depository.

-obviously this omits the reason why they are there...maybe flashbacks? just tossing ideas out there...
-also keep in mind that the JFK plotline needs to be resolved early on because the JMC doesn't exist in the altered future...
- what about a paradox, where we only show the 'no curry' intro after the other stuff, only this time lister realises what to do rather than travel back in time. [teleport the curry as seen in the xtended ending] - that might make things counfusing tho.

Author: daveytod
Time: 1-Nov-2006 6:04 PM
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Well guys, it was a good idea, but unfortunatley I've found a project that I'm much more excited about (no details on this one until its done), so for the time being this ones on the back burner

Author: Doctor M
Time: 10-Nov-2006 3:02 PM
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Actually I just got around to seeing the Series 8 DVD with the extended episodes and the separate hour (!) of deleted footage.
Some of the deleted footage explain plot points much better (to the point of "Oh, that's what that was about.") or are have alternate shots that are much better.

A good edit would be:
The end of the last episode of series 7 (to explain getting back to Red Dwarf)
Most if not all of series 8 edited into one looong film. (Which can make the cross episode gag of Kryton's homemade penis work.)
Most of the deleted footage (trimming some less funny moments, trimming the timing of the jokes (there are some pauses during banter))
The ORIGINAL ending to series 8 which is a lot better and ends with our cast of leads back in charge and alone on the Dwarf.

It would be a good way of improving the crap that is series 8 and actually having a satisfying ending to the series.

Some effects shots might have to be completed unfortunately.

Dr. M