Idea: a Star Trek 2009 Extended Cut? — Page 2

Soooo ... any volunteers for finishing the special effects ?

Just went over the scenes on the Blu-Ray. You'll need someone with quite a bit of After Effects prowess. Even where it's not obvious, there are little things that need to be done, like adding the silhouettes of those massive background buildings in the Kirk and George as kids scene. You would also need to change Kirk's line "Hey Johnny" in the finished film to "Hey George" possibly using dialogue from another child actor in some other movie. The location titles on Rura Penthe would have to be cropped out and then remade to match the rest of the movie (might be wrong on this one). The short scene where the Klingons capture the Narada is almost unusable because they all speak in Romulan, and they do that nowhere else in the movie.

Would do this myself but I only have the blu-ray and no way of ripping it. I can't do the effects but I can at least splice all the scenes back in the movie.

pittrek said:

Well I've done it already, and I'm quite satisfied with the music, I just don't like the effects

DO you think it might be a good idea to include the Rura Penthe scene without including the Klingon capture scene? Not only would you not need to do the effects for the capture but the Romulans speak in Romulan in that scene, which they do nowhere else in the film.

it's my understanding that they ALWAYS speak Romulan and the magical universal translator allows the audience to hear them in English. Personally i wouldn't be bothered by the Romulan dialogue...

Is all the English spoken dialogue after to [circa] 25 year time difference?

Pittrek - did you check other star trek sources to see if anything could be substituted in? - Klingon ships for example...

Octorox said:

 

pittrek said:

Well I've done it already, and I'm quite satisfied with the music, I just don't like the effects

Oh, thats cool. Someone ought to make a list of all the effects that need to be finished in the deleted scenes. Personally I'd start with Spock's birth without the establishing shot. Just open with white light.

 

The "crab" is terrible. White light sounds like an interesting idea, I'll check it how it will work.

Octorox said:

DO you think it might be a good idea to include the Rura Penthe scene without including the Klingon capture scene? Not only would you not need to do the effects for the capture but the Romulans speak in Romulan in that scene, which they do nowhere else in the film.

No. I have 2 reasons -

1) this should be an "extended cut" and not a "fan edit" so I'm trying to include absolutely everything I find not depending if I like the scene or not

2) During many years of the franchise there have been many episodes where we see some aliens communicating together in their language and when they meet Humans they start to speak English. I never head a problem with that

Johnny Ringo said:

it's my understanding that they ALWAYS speak Romulan and the magical universal translator allows the audience to hear them in English. Personally i wouldn't be bothered by the Romulan dialogue...

Is all the English spoken dialogue after to [circa] 25 year time difference?

Pittrek - did you check other star trek sources to see if anything could be substituted in? - Klingon ships for example...

Not all yet, I can work on this only on weekends :) But that's a good tip.

Also, any idea how to change the color of Vulcan atmosphere to red without affecting the color of the actors ?

FanFiltration said:

Rura Penthe was established as an ice planet in Star Trek VI. A planet where without proper clothing, no humanoid lifeforms could survive for very long on the surface.

 

 

Could you guys add in a few snow flakes and a bit of ice? Or could you make it look like this is underground or under some type of dome?

Isn't Delta Vega supposed to be a desertish Planet too? I believe they established that in TOS.

pittrek said:

Octorox said:

DO you think it might be a good idea to include the Rura Penthe scene without including the Klingon capture scene? Not only would you not need to do the effects for the capture but the Romulans speak in Romulan in that scene, which they do nowhere else in the film.

No. I have 2 reasons -

1) this should be an "extended cut" and not a "fan edit" so I'm trying to include absolutely everything I find not depending if I like the scene or not

2) During many years of the franchise there have been many episodes where we see some aliens communicating together in their language and when they meet Humans they start to speak English. I never head a problem with that

I know, but they speak English to each other later on in the movie. "The Wait is Over" and "I don't want to kill him, I want to make him watch blablabla..." The Klingons even speak to the other aliens in Rura Penthe in Klingon but investigate Nero in English.

There's a shot in the extended Kirk and Gaila scene where Kirk has green makeup on his nose. maybe the shot from the movie can be substituted? There is a slight dialogue difference in that shot though.

How would you transition into the opening credits with the Klingon capture scene? Maybe after Spock's birth?

Can't remember if this has come up but during one of the documentaries they show a scene from the very end of the film where Kirk walks onto the bridge and claps Bones on the shoulder - then Bones says "same ship, different day". Have you done anything with this clip?

Johnny Ringo said:

Can't remember if this has come up but during one of the documentaries they show a scene from the very end of the film where Kirk walks onto the bridge and claps Bones on the shoulder - then Bones says "same ship, different day". Have you done anything with this clip?

Hmmm...I remember that but I don't remember if it was in-camera footage or documentary cam footage

Octorox said:

How would you transition into the opening credits with the Klingon capture scene? Maybe after Spock's birth?

Currently my edit goes like this :

1) Spock's birth

2) Paramount / Bad Robot intro (yes, AFTER Spock's birth)

3) The destruction of the Kelvin and death of Pappa Kirk

4) STAR TREK titles

5) Klingons capture the Narada

6) Jim's brother

7) Kirk on car (does anybody have a good copy of the trailer ? It's not on the DVD and I need the scene of the car hitting the road without "IOWA" written in the top left corner)

8) Vulcan bullies (can there be bullies on a planet whose inhabitants are purely logical ???)

9) Spock's parents intercut slightly with Spock talking with his father

10) ... up to Kirk meets Bones

11) Rura Penthe

12) "Three years later" - capturing Spock, Kirk goes "learning"

13) Extended Kirk and Gaila / Kobayashi Maru sequence (I haven't noticed any "green nose"

14) Kirk on trial and on the Enterprise

15) Amanda (with the film crew :) )

16) Kirk runs to the bridge ...

17) Kirk and other Orion girl etc... :)

Johnny Ringo said:

Can't remember if this has come up but during one of the documentaries they show a scene from the very end of the film where Kirk walks onto the bridge and claps Bones on the shoulder - then Bones says "same ship, different day". Have you done anything with this clip?

Do you know which documentary it is ?

pittrek said:

Octorox said:

How would you transition into the opening credits with the Klingon capture scene? Maybe after Spock's birth?

8) Vulcan bullies (can there be bullies on a planet whose inhabitants are purely logical ???)

Remember that Vulcan's aren't vowed to purge all emotion until Kohlinar (probably butchered the spelling) Vulcans choose to embrace logic but are very emotional inside. The Vulcan kids are kids. In a TOS episode Amanda said that Spock was teased frequently as a child (Journey to Babel I think)

pittrek said:

Octorox said:

How would you transition into the opening credits with the Klingon capture scene? Maybe after Spock's birth?

6) Jim's brother

7) Kirk on car (does anybody have a good copy of the trailer ? It's not on the DVD and I need the scene of the car hitting the road without "IOWA" written in the top left corner)

 

Have you found a source to redub Johnny with "Sammy" "Sam", "George" or "Georgie"? (Kirk's brother is George Samuel Kirk. "Johnny" was an edit they made after removing Kirk's brother from the script)

FanFiltration said:

Octorox said:

pittrek said:

Octorox said:

How would you transition into the opening credits with the Klingon capture scene? Maybe after Spock's birth?

6) Jim's brother

7) Kirk on car (does anybody have a good copy of the trailer ? It's not on the DVD and I need the scene of the car hitting the road without "IOWA" written in the top left corner)

 

Have you found a source to redub Johnny with "Sammy" "Sam", "George" or "Georgie"? (Kirk's brother is George Samuel Kirk. "Johnny" was an edit they made after removing Kirk's brother from the script)

If you can't get him to yell the real name of Kirk's brother, could you just have him yell the word "Hay" only? Just cut out Johnny....

That may prove a more logical solution

Good idea - but then he might not even need to call out anything. The brother can still see him drive by and wonder what is going on.

re: the McCoy scene, i can't recall exactly where it was, if i find it again soon enough i'll let you guys know...As i recall it wasn't footage from the film cameras just doco stuff. but the quality should be decent.

7) Kirk on car (does anybody have a good copy of the trailer ? It's not on the DVD and I need the scene of the car hitting the road without "IOWA" written in the top left corner)

not sure what you mean here, or did you mean Kirk IN car?

I'm pretty sure that ALL the main trailers are on the bluray. do you mean when the car flies around the corner of the intersection, or something else?