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Idea: STAR WARS REVISITED - The Ultrapurist edition (Tentatively Titled) (Not an Official Adywan production)

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I love Adywan’s Star Wars Revisited. It’s a monumental achievement and it is one of the best, if not THE BEST, Star Wars alternative edit out there. However, its not the original. Star Wars Revisited, like Lucas’s Special Edition before it, is not a simple FX cleanup job. They both feature bold new sequences and additions which either enhance or detract from, but ultimately change, the movie. I’m not sure If I’m going to go through with this yet but I’ll at least experiement with it a little. Also, I may not upload this just because I’m a little paranoid about being Hunted Down by Lucas’s goons…either way  this is what I may attempt to do.

Create an alternative edit of Star Wars that plays it very close to the original theatrical release but retains many of the FX fixes and continuity fixes instated by Adywan and Lucas. This is basically like a CG free SE

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Ady’s color-corrected SE

Star Wars Revisited

Star wars Revisited- The Purist Edition

The GOUT- cleaned up using G-Force’s GOUT Stabilization script

Enhancements I’ll probably keep

re rotoscoped Lasers and Sabers (I may need to work on these though to make them less prequely) actually I may not keep these if it saves a lot of time

matte removal

FX gaffe fixes IE R2s Blue Dome ect.

colour correction

Things Ill probably revert

Any re-edited sequences or flipped shots

new music, I know little about audio editing but I’ll try to edit the 5.1 mix to keep elements as close as possible to the monomix, I’ll also probably include the theatrical mono and stereo as well as an isolated score track

All BIG FX Enhancements- ie planet under death star, alien faces ect ect ect

I’ll also revert all Lucasian CG added in the SEs

Software I have:

for Mac:

Final Cut Studio Suite

Photoshop and Illustrator CS2

MPEG Streamclip, VLC ect.

for Windows:

AVISYNTH

VLC ect.

Again, I’m not sure about this, so don’t get your hopes up guys

UPDATE:

Probably not doing this for now, maybe later.

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wouldn't it be a lot easier to just start from the unaltered GOUT

version and go from there?

 

its way to much of hassle to take several sources and combine

them if you want them to look the same.... any ideas on how you want

to do that?

 

unless its done well, it will be pretty obvious when there are scene changes,

etc..

 

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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]

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You can't start with an unaltered GOUT, because the GOUT is too low in quality. The 04 SE is excellent quality, but have added CG, and screwed up colors. Adywan's SW Revisited fixed the color problems, so it would make sense to use it, since a lot of work has already been done.

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I love it already!!! Don't change the title- it's great! :-)

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C3PX said:

You can't start with an unaltered GOUT, because the GOUT is too low in quality. The 04 SE is excellent quality, but have added CG, and screwed up colors. Adywan's SW Revisited fixed the color problems, so it would make sense to use it, since a lot of work has already been done.

 

 since the final product wasn't said to be in HD,

it wouldn't really matter what the quality/resolution started off as (DVD),

since you wouldn't be able to tell..

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negative1 said:
C3PX said:

You can't start with an unaltered GOUT, because the GOUT is too low in quality. The 04 SE is excellent quality, but have added CG, and screwed up colors. Adywan's SW Revisited fixed the color problems, so it would make sense to use it, since a lot of work has already been done.

 

 since the final product wasn't said to be in HD,

it wouldn't really matter what the quality/resolution started off as (DVD),

since you wouldn't be able to tell..

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Even at DVD res the GOUT has far less detail. The main point of the project is to bring the image detail and excellent colour from Ady's edit to something close enough to the original version of Star Wars. I'm not doing HD because A: it would be harder to work with and B: I think the GOUT elements would stand out too much, even upscaled. I may just cut the HD SE to sync up to the original monomix and go from there (IE trim the extra establishing shots and whatnot) (I'm not exactly sure if I'll use any of Ady's fixes or not yet but I know I will be keeping a few Lucas fixes like the real people in the throne room scene)

 

I'm not sure if I want to keep continuity fixes that change the shot composition (IE adding or moving a character in a shot) because

A: shot composition and editing is an art form and B: I'd like to keep it close to the original film and only really anal people notice these things...

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negative1 said:

 since the final product wasn't said to be in HD,

it wouldn't really matter what the quality/resolution started off as (DVD),

since you wouldn't be able to tell..

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Who wouldn't be able to tell? Even on my small standard def. TV, the GOUT looks like crap compared to Adywan's nice and crisp Revisited discs. It doesn't have to be in HD to be better quality than the GOUT, the GOUT is absolute garbage. On my friends big widescreen TV, the GOUT is unwatchable, it feel like watching SW on youtube. However, the 04 discs look great on it (color issues aside). I think it is obvious you have never looked at the GOUT much, if you assume nobody would be able to tell the difference between it and a version restored from Ady's color corrected versions.

My biggest fear about this project, beside being a lot of work, would be it ending up looking like OCP's Classic Editions, which had the DVDs, with laserdisc bits taken to cover up the CG, which depending on the brightness of your TV, could look pretty unsightly and glaring.

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C3PX said:
negative1 said:

 since the final product wasn't said to be in HD,

it wouldn't really matter what the quality/resolution started off as (DVD),

since you wouldn't be able to tell..

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Who wouldn't be able to tell? Even on my small standard def. TV, the GOUT looks like crap compared to Adywan's nice and crisp Revisited discs. It doesn't have to be in HD to be better quality than the GOUT, the GOUT is absolute garbage. On my friends big widescreen TV, the GOUT is unwatchable, it feel like watching SW on youtube. However, the 04 discs look great on it (color issues aside). I think it is obvious you have never looked at the GOUT much, if you assume nobody would be able to tell the difference between it and a version restored from Ady's color corrected versions.

My biggest fear about this project, beside being a lot of work, would be it ending up looking like OCP's Classic Editions, which had the DVDs, with laserdisc bits taken to cover up the CG, which depending on the brightness of your TV, could look pretty unsightly and glaring.

ok,

i should have been clearer... you start out with GOUT, and then as stated above:

'The GOUT- cleaned up using G-Force's GOUT Stabilization script' -> so it's an altered

version, and then you go from there...

 

but yeah, using different sources would be a pain..

 

later

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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]

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The thing is the Gout is already altered.  Grain removed by process of dvnr.  Letterbox 4:3 instead of Anamorphic, not the original techniclor, colors are faded.  Not the theatrical sound mixes.

Their is nothing original about it.  Its does not even make a Close Approximation of what people saw in the theater in 1977, 1980, or 1983.  Except it does not have cgi like the 1997 or 2004 versions.

Lucas did a cut and paste Job on the 2006 A new Hope bonus disc by adding the non a new hope crawl to the beginning of the movie in hopes of tricking people into thinking it was the original release.

But that did not cost him any additional money since the opening star wars crawl was already telecined for the Empire of Dreams documentary.  Therefore proving he could go about undertaking an entirely new anamorphic telecine of the originals, except he does not want to.

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I think that crawl was different from the Empire of Dreams one. Which makes the whole thing even lamer since they obviously found something that was in decent shape. 

Man this sounds difficult, good luck (maybe a "semi-purist" editon would be easier, creating "the cut" of the original version but just pick your top ten old-school shots that need to come back. )

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skyjedi2005 said:

The thing is the Gout is already altered.  Grain removed by process of dvnr.  Letterbox 4:3 instead of Anamorphic, not the original techniclor, colors are faded.  Not the theatrical sound mixes.

 

 are you saying it was different from the laserdisc masters?

because that's where i thought it came from..

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The problems skyjedi speaks of are present on the laserdisc masters, and the laserdiscs themselves.

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Baronlando said:

I think that crawl was different from the Empire of Dreams one. Which makes the whole thing even lamer since they obviously found something that was in decent shape. 

Man this sounds difficult, good luck (maybe a "semi-purist" editon would be easier, creating "the cut" of the original version but just pick your top ten old-school shots that need to come back. )

 

that might just be what I do....

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ChainsawAsh said:

The problems skyjedi speaks of are present on the laserdisc masters, and the laserdiscs themselves.

 

 ok, sorry,

let me be more specific then..

 

which laserdisc specifically?

i have:

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definitive boxset

japanese boxset

thx (faces) versions

all the original version widescreen/fullscreen

 

which one is the best then?

 

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- Definitive Boxset

- THX (faces) versions

It depends.  The above two have better overall picture quality, but the excessive DVNR and awkward interlacing mar the quality enough for many to feel that the Japanese boxset is best.  The X0 project was using the best shots from the Definitive/Faces (same master) and Japanese set to create a hybrid.

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The idea for the Ultrapurist Edition is great, and something that is sorely needed (after all, it's why this place was created, right?). I've been thinking about the same thing lately, working from Adywan's colour corrected set, keeping the blooper fixes, and going from there to recreate the original unmassacred film in pristine picture. Thing is, though, that I have absolutely no knowledge on video editing software, so I'm very glad to see someone else give serious thought to doing this.

 

A couple of the trickier scenes to work with, off the top of my head, would be the Sarlacc Pit and the ending in RotJ. They're also two of my favorite :/

Anyway, full support for this project from me :D

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Ripplin said:

Hey hey.

Just throwing this out there, but how about the Darth Editous (or Darth Editous/ADigitalMan Hybrid) version? It's color corrected (might need to tone down some reds or something) and has far less edits than Ady's.

Yeah, I haven't seen them, but I'm wondering if DE/ADM would be a better starting point or even exactly what you're looking for.  That's the edit Ady saw which inspired him to go one step further.  If you're wanting to go one step back, that might be what you need.  At the very least, you could use it as a base and take elements from ANHR if you really needed them.

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Ripplin said:

Hey hey.

Just throwing this out there, but how about the Darth Editous (or Darth Editous/ADigitalMan Hybrid) version? It's color corrected (might need to tone down some reds or something) and has far less edits than Ady's.

No, it's not... he worked on color correction for a V4 and then went AWOL, if I recall.

 

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I was planning on doing something like this anyway, if I can figure out how to rip Adywan's AVCHD versions to mpeg. 

To end up with a "diet Revisited" that removes any of Adywan's changes that I don't love. (Respectfully!)

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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bkev said:
Ripplin said:

Hey hey.

Just throwing this out there, but how about the Darth Editous (or Darth Editous/ADigitalMan Hybrid) version? It's color corrected (might need to tone down some reds or something) and has far less edits than Ady's.

No, it's not... he worked on color correction for a V4 and then went AWOL, if I recall.

Yes, I'd forgotten about that. He did show us some tests that looked very nice. So long ago I was mixing things up. Still a great edit. :)

It's a shame he's gone. (nearly a year already!) Such a valuable member of the community.

 

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