Idea: OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully) — Page 2

FreezingTNT2 said:

Saying it’s a Jedi’s weapon doesn’t mean he’s saying it’s exclusive to the Jedi.

I don’t understand this… we aren’t supposed to believe a “Jedi weapon” is a “Jedi weapon”? So what does it mean then? Was the Emperor supposed to say, “this is a Jedi weapon and no other group of people can use it ever, for any purpose” for the intent of his statement to be clear?

Why would he not just call the lightsaber a lightsaber, or not discuss it at all?

I think the use and discussion of lightsabers throughout the films make it abundantly clear what the intent is.

I don’t really understand your reasoning. Is he not allowed to call it a Jedi weapon if other people use it too? It’s still the “weapon of the Jedi” either way (do we need to change that line too?). The point is moot anyway because like I said the weapon isn’t exclusive to the Jedi in the OT either, the PT doesn’t change anything in this regard. So I really don’t get where you’re coming from, sorry.

DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Here’s a suggestion: remove the part in RotJ were Palpatine refers to Luke’s saber as “A Jedi’s weapon”.

Does that really contradict the PT, though? We see Vader has a saber throughout the OT, and we know for a fact that it’s not just his leftover Jedi saber, because Ben had that and gave it to Luke. Saying it’s a Jedi’s weapon doesn’t mean he’s saying it’s exclusive to the Jedi.

Yep. I’ve seen that suggested as an “inconsistency” in the past and I’ve never understood it.

You know, I never really thought of it that way, but Lucas sewing up the love triangle by making Leia “the other” in Return of the Jedi, and turning it into a big bloodline thing, it really kinda screws up the conversation in Empire Strikes Back.

Luke is hellbent on leaving because he saw a vision where Han and Leia die if he doesn’t intervene.
Ben says “you don’t know that to be true because even Yoda couldn’t see it.”
But Yoda basically says “Well, look, even if you DO go and save them, it’ll ruin everything. So you can’t go.”
So Luke leaves because he’s Luke and he can’t not. And Yoda says “there is another.”

But if Yoda knows the other is Leia, and Leia is the one that is going to die if Luke doesn’t get there to help her, why is he so nonchalant about her not being saved? At best, he’s saying “eh… she’ll figure it out. Probably. Maybe.” and at worst he’s saying “We don’t need our all-important backup plan if you just stay here and let her die.”

Without Luke’s intervention, Leia would have still been saved by Lando anyway, though.

Hal 9000 said:

DominicCobb said:

• The infamous “other.” Suggested edit: “No, there is the other.”

Now that’s an interesting idea. Still doesn’t make a great deal of sense. One imagines Ben and Yoda’s conversation continued after the scene ended.

Ben: That boy is our last hope.

Yoda: No, there is another.

Ben: Wasn’t ‘the other’ part of the group in danger Luke was concerned about?

Yoda: Not sure am I; pay attention to the specifics of what he saw I did not.

Ben: Well, it would seem the two would die or be saved together, wouldn’t you say?

Yoda: MmmmmMMMMM. Right I suppose you were: our last hope that boy is.

In fairness, I think the reason Yoda was willing to give up on Luke after he left was more because of what that choice meant for Luke and his training - not only was he being impatient and reckless, he was headed straight towards Darth Vader, who they hadn’t yet explained was his father. Could have gone a lot worse than it did for him. You could argue that Leia was going to make it out safe anyway and thus would end up the better option.

Obviously the line still doesn’t make sense though, just because Obi-wan knows who the other is. My solution is really the only thing I can think of to make it less weird.

It is kind of hand-wavy, but sort of like Dom said, maybe Yoda did know Leia would be okay, but he was more concerned with Luke making the wise choice, basically as a way to test him. If Luke couldn’t make the right choice, then maybe he shouldn’t become a Jedi (and Leia should instead once she escapes). Maybe Obi-Wan, knowing who Leia is, couldn’t sense what would happen to her like Yoda could, so he did feel like Luke was their last shot.

Still, the way Yoda says it definitely makes it seem like he is referring to someone Obi-Wan doesn’t know. While “the other” didn’t make sense to me at first, I get why you are suggesting it now.

DougieP said:

“A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights.” Is this right? Anakin HELPED the Empire? This makes it sound that the Empire was around before Anakin joined. No?

Wasn’t Order 66 enacted at basically the same time as Palpatine announced that the Republic had been reorganized as the First Galactic Empire? Plus, as we see in the comics and other material, Anakin continues to help the Empire hunt down Jedi that evaded the initial Jedi Purge. I’d say it’s pretty accurate to say that Vader helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi.

DougieP said:

“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.” Han says a few things about how he doesnt believe jedi/the force exists. It works great in the originals alone but he would of been born around the time of Order 66 surely? If not then soon after. Seems a bit off.

Even at the Jedi peak there were about 10,000 in a galaxy of trillions of people. Even with Han being old enough to remember some of the Clone Wars it’s entirely possible that he never came into contact with a Jedi and thought all the stories of their power and the Force were fake. Again not really a contradiction and just helps establish Han’s character as a skeptic.

Re: Han’s line, if we are to go by the new canon, he lived the first twenty years of his life in the slums on Corellia. Unless I’ve missed something, it doesn’t seem like any battles during the Clone Wars were fought on that planet, so it’s entirely possible and very likely that he never saw a Jedi. He didn’t leave until ten years after the purge, so it’s doubtful in his travels around the galaxy he would have seen a Jedi (until Obi-wan, of course).

Regardless, it’s too good a line to get rid of.

Dom, have you considered making a google doc or something that lists all lines potentially relevant to Prequel continuity that have been mentioned so far?

Ben shows no recognition toward R2 and C-3PO. Suggested edit: “Come here my old friend.” Could also cut out Ben saying he doesn’t remember owning a droid, even though it doesn’t technically contradict anything.

Looking back at this and I definitely think this would be the simplest change that would address this issue. If you had Obi-Wan acknowledge R2 while Luke is unconscious, but then pretend to not recognize him or 3PO later on, it can be written off as Obi-Wan just keeping the whole truth from Luke for the time being.

DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Here’s a suggestion: remove the part in RotJ were Palpatine refers to Luke’s saber as “A Jedi’s weapon”.

Does that really contradict the PT, though? We see Vader has a saber throughout the OT, and we know for a fact that it’s not just his leftover Jedi saber, because Ben had that and gave it to Luke. Saying it’s a Jedi’s weapon doesn’t mean he’s saying it’s exclusive to the Jedi.

Thematically, though, it still shows Vader’s history as a Jedi. It could be a Jedi-only thing that Vader just happened to carry over as a former Jedi.

Anyone ever attempt to edit the instances of Obi Wan calling Vader ‘Darth’ to ‘Vader’ instead? I know arguably he could be mockingly addressing him by his Sith title, but I am cursed with the knowledge that Darth Vader was his real name when ANH was released and I am reminded of this fact every time I hear those lines. Of course, fixing it would just add another step to that thought process, as I would inevitably recall that the original line refers to him as Darth and be taken out of the universe anyway…

Even though Darth Vader was meant to be his first and last name when George wrote it, the phrase, “You can’t win, Darth” still makes sense if Darth is a title instead of a first name. Can people not be referred to by just their title alone?

“I’m not feeling well, Doctor.”

“You have failed me for the last time, Admiral.”

“You can’t win, Darth.”

And like you said, Obi-Wan could be mocking Vader by reminding him of what he has become. In my opinion, instead of fixing this line, characters in future stories should just sometimes refer to other Sith Lords as ‘Darth’ to establish that it is a valid way to address a Sith.

But I know this is a thread meant to discuss changes that could be made for the OT, and I think this could be addressed just for the fact it is a common critique. It is more of a retcon than a continuity error, because I think that phrase is grammatically correct either way.

Made some quick and dirty Photoshop mockups of ideas to make the OT fit better with some of the supplementary material. I think these would be pretty difficult to execute but just thought I’d share the ideas.

Captain Rex (from Clone Wars and Rebels) in Return of the Jedi:

Death Troopers (from Rogue One, Rebels and The Mandalorian) in A New Hope:

Huh, that Rex one is pretty cool. I’m guessing deepfaking the rebel would be a challenge considering the beard.

Is that a still image of the Death Troopers or a 3D model?

RogueLeader said:

Huh, that Rex one is pretty cool. I’m guessing deepfaking the rebel would be a challenge considering the beard.

Is that a still image of the Death Troopers or a 3D model?

Yeah I don’t know anything about deepfakes so I’m not sure how you could accomplish it. For the still image I just used a photo of Morrison from the film Mahana and blended it with the original Nik Sant beard.:

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ff0cb4a9f048f036e5430554e47103a430a9889e/0_48_1275_766/master/1275.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=69335747bdd0c052f1e3f7ad7f2e1221

As for the Death Troopers, they’re still images of an action figure actually. Like I said, quick and dirty XD. I think to make it convincing in motion you’d need to film actors in front of a green screen.

An editor on YouTube did some interesting dialogue replacements for Boba Fett using lines from Battlefront II, some which work better than others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy2OqQIS-ps&list=PLtj-aNFWYd8ic2j58QfpOQkx8NDyPVfVe&index=7

Also If you ever wanted to know what a chatty Boba Fett would sound like…well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5GFSjbZK_A

If you couldn’t do a total face replacement, you could possibly be the “dragon eyes” that are on his helmet along that visor of his grey helmet. I’m assuming that would be easier.

Huh, I definitely think those battlefront lines could be used for an edit with a PT-to-OT philosophy in mind. I still prefer Wingreen but they are a lot better than Morrison’s original recording.

FreezingTNT2 said:

@DominicCobb Do you plan on making a similar thread for OT edits to fit the ST or the other way around?

I hadn’t. The reason for this thread is mainly because the PT specifically created a number of continuity errors in the OT. But I suppose the thread isn’t limited to fixing continuity errors, and other ways of connecting the two trilogies are welcome. To that end, it probably wouldn’t be a bad idea for me to change the title of the thread to include the ST, because why not.