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Hi

I think the special editions are not good enough. There should be much more alterations to fit the new movies with the episodes 1, 2 and 3. Watching Star Wars in order of episodes brings a hard break after episode three in many technological means. I would at least alter everything that is not perfect due to the 70ies and 80ies technical limitations.

things i would like to be changed most include:

1. simple muppet show effects replaced by cgi wherever possible, of cours keeping the original designs but in a more living form. especially the bands in ep 4 and 6, jabba and so on. i never liked this, not even as a child (i have seen ep5 and 6 in cinema during their first release in Germany)

2. simple computer displays. fuck they had holographic battlefield simulations in ep 2 and then they have those fucking old display systems in ep 4 for example the display showing the death star aproaching the secret base or even worse, the fire controll systems inside millenium falcon, that looks like atari 2600 tic tac toe.

3. aged technology replaced by new high tech cgi versions.

4. some new scenes and altered dialogues to tie up stuff with ep 1, 2, 3, for example i would like to see imperator in small scenes in ep 4 and 5, he was introduced much earlier so there is absolutely no reason to keep him in disguise in ep 4 and 5, and i would like to hear the midichlorians at least mentioned one single time.

many stuff still is in a good condition and should be kept, but there is a lot to do to get 4-6 to a level equal to 1-3. i think a complete remake would be a big mistake, but there should be a lot of updates. thats what i would prefer. Of course the original versions should be kept in good condition to for those who prefer

Chris
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I don't mind the SE's but that a bit much. I mean 4-6 should not have to fit 1-3 it should have been the other way around. And Why the hell would you want midichlorians mentioned
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I think finally all 6 episodes shold be one big story and the sequels should fit ep 1-3, so while talking about the force to luke, obi should mention the midichlorians because that would fill one of those gaps that came from the fact that midichlorians have been introduced long after 4-6 have been filmed )

The same with the imperator, in ep 3 he is a main character an the next two episodes he is not there at all. i think some little scenes with him would spice up the stories.

and i hate that technological imperfection. i think star wars is future, so it should be tansformed to the technological state of the art )
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Heresy!


Just kidding, but seriously, I fear for the future of the original three Star Wars films. Ideally, I'd just watch those and not even the prequels at all.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Oy...Another person wanting a complete do-over.

What the hell is so great about CGI anyway? Usually, it doesn't look real. Personally, I think that stop-motion and puppets look much more real than CGI images. You know why? Because they ARE real. Please don't tell me you think the singers in the song that replaced Lapti-Nek looked more real in CGI. CGI in the OT was just out of place, and I hated it.
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Heeeeere we go again
Same old **** again

and i hate that technological imperfection. i think star wars is future


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As i said in my first post, the original series should be available in unmodified and good quality for those who like and i am sure one day i would watch them again myself just to see de difference... )

But i definitely prefer the modified versions, they fit much better to the prequeels. and for me, i have been a big fan of the prequeels, and i loved it much more than the old series.

I think both groups of fans should get what they want, thos who love the original versions should get a high quality transfer. i cannot believe that it would be such a high price to restore the complete material in original form, most of the restauration has already been done on the new versions, the just have to cut the material like the old versions have been cut and mayby have to restore a few extra frames. the letter they posted regarding the transfer of the original series from laserdisk sounds stupid to me, i dont think the afford to restore the material to original state is so high as they claimed.

But on the other hand, ther are fans like me, for whom the special edition is not special enough, as i said, all the computer stuff lokks so old, i would even replace some interior inside the death star for example with new cgi. the death star is built with imperial perfection, so it should look this way. and one more thing i would like to be changed, the death star explosion should be changed. in anh its a big bang, compared to the explosion of the robot control ship it looks quite lame. cgi could change this.

and i dont like the muppet show. not at all. it is not perfect. cgi is more perfect than life thats why i like its perfection )

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Originally posted by: chrisdo
cgi is more perfect than life thats why i like its perfection )

Chris


Are you joking? Real life is... real life. Are you saying that a computer generated White House would be more real than the real White House? Real is real, I don't know what else you'd want beyond this.

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The Prequels are wht need to be changed. Everything worked fine and then George created the prequels and created all kinds plot holes. It is like they let a monkey write the scripts!


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Originally posted by: chrisdo

But on the other hand, ther are fans like me, for whom the special edition is not special enough, as i said, all the computer stuff lokks so old, i would even replace some interior inside the death star for example with new cgi. the death star is built with imperial perfection, so it should look this way. and one more thing i would like to be changed, the death star explosion should be changed. in anh its a big bang, compared to the explosion of the robot control ship it looks quite lame. cgi could change this.

and i dont like the muppet show. not at all. it is not perfect. cgi is more perfect than life thats why i like its perfection )

Chris


If you think the Special Edition software is outdated, then you'll never be happy, no matter how many versions of Spec. Ed. come out. Technology advances each year. If Lucas was to put out a new spec. ed. each year, it would keep becoming outdated. That's why the original trilogy was so great. It just can't be outdated, because it was real.

And what's wrong with muppets? Muppets 4EVER!!!!
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What's an imperator?

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
What's an imperator?


thats what I was wondering ^_-
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Imperator is, roughly, Latin for "commander" (imperium being the power to command). It is the origin for our word Emperor. Though it was not used exclusively by Roman Emperors, who adopted a number of titles -- chief among them princeps, dominus, and basileus in the East.

Also, according to some sources, it's the class name of the common Star Destroyer of the original trilogy.
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Are you joking? Real life is... real life. Are you saying that a computer generated White House would be more real than the real White House? Real is real, I don't know what else you'd want beyond this.


I've been talking about perfection. The CGI Whitzehouse will definitely look better than the original. It is not real, it looks better. In reality there is a lot of dirt no matter how much you clean it )

I like the perfection of cgi graphics and at least they look much better than those old muppet tricks )

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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
What's an imperator?


thats what I was wondering ^_-


Okay english language version seems to use the word "emperor",
here in german he is called the "Imperator"
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Originally posted by: chrisdo
I've been talking about perfection. The CGI Whitzehouse will definitely look better than the original. It is not real, it looks better. In reality there is a lot of dirt no matter how much you clean it )

I like the perfection of cgi graphics and at least they look much better than those old muppet tricks )

Chris


See ... my view, and probably the majority view, is that visual effects should duplicate reality as closely as possible. A perfect CGI White House would include every piece of dirt, every nick, every scratch, and every streak on the window. If it lacks any of these things, it is imperfect; it is not a perfectly true representation of the reality.

A model that looks "better" than its subject will inherently look stylized, even "cartoonish" to some people. That is why great care is usually taken to make CGI models look weathered, used, dirty, etc. Notice that the X-Wings in the Special Edition do not have perfectly scrubbed exteriors with fresh paint jobs. That's an example of good CGI; not coincidentally, it's also an example of CGI that was created to match an existing model.
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Originally posted by: chrisdo

I've been talking about perfection. The CGI Whitzehouse will definitely look better than the original. It is not real, it looks better. In reality there is a lot of dirt no matter how much you clean it )

I like the perfection of cgi graphics and at least they look much better than those old muppet tricks )

Chris

Okay, I did an image search and, I couldn't find a CGI whitehouse. But, CGI is far from perfect. Take this for example:
Would you rather have this CG facehttp://www6.plala.or.jp/Kuonn-CG/data/Face_Make/Face_Make_035.jpg or, a real face?
Would you rather have this CG layout http://www.cg-net.com/eim/silo-error-face.jpg or a real terrain?
Would you rather have this CG maskhttp://www2c.biglobe.ne.jp/~W_Angel/cg/doga/images/01/face-02.gif or, a real mask?

Yes, I took unfinished pictures but, it's to make a point. Just becuase something's CGI doesn't make it perfect. Unless your definition of perfect is perfectly clean/sterile..... Basically, just slapping CGI all over the place doesn't make it perfect.

as i said, all the computer stuff lokks so old, i would even replace some interior inside the death star for example with new cgi.

CGI begins to show it's age a lot faster then real objects. You'll see.

i think a complete remake would be a big mistake, but there should be a lot of updates. thats what i would prefer.

With all the changes you want a complete remake would be a hell of a lot easier. Especially since you want to add lines to Obiwan.

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Originally posted by: chrisdo
Are you joking? Real life is... real life. Are you saying that a computer generated White House would be more real than the real White House? Real is real, I don't know what else you'd want beyond this.


I've been talking about perfection. The CGI Whitzehouse will definitely look better than the original. It is not real, it looks better. In reality there is a lot of dirt no matter how much you clean it )

I like the perfection of cgi graphics and at least they look much better than those old muppet tricks )

Chris


You are the single most shallow poster I've ever seen. A sparkling clean whithouse looks more real than one with dirt on it? Yeah right. I wouldn't believe it to be real if there weren't some imperfections on it. For example, on the 2004 DVD's, C3PO has no dirt on him AT ALL at any time. In the OOT, he's dirty much of the time, which makes a lot more sense. He's been in battles and the desert for a long time.

And you say CGI is perfect? I'm sorry, but CGI always seems to stick out like a sore thumb. In ROTJ spec. ed., Jabba says "Do that again," and suddenly, everyone looks completely different, and a lot more rubbery. There is no perfection in CGI. And if you think I'm some old man who doesn't like the new ways, i'm not. I'm 13, and I'm not shallow enough to be impressed by big fake computer-generated creatures like Jar-Jar. Come to think of it, you probably have a Jar-Jar doll you sleep with at night, and most likely wish that they'd replace Han-Solo with Jar-Jar in the next special edition.
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Chris, I know you're taking a bashing here. But you seem to be missing the point, even if CGI is better, it wasn't at the time the Star Wars Trilogy was made. To make matters worse, Lucas isn't even the director for Empire or Jedi ... so making decisions to revisit the films and update the effects using todays technology is something that really shouldn't be his to make in the first place. Remember E.T.? You had to buy the S.E. to get the original with that too - but at least Spielberg was the director of the movie. And he didn't claim to be "finishing" the movie off, at least he was honest about it - he said he wanted to present it for today's audience.

I'm sure you've heard of film colourization. I don't think I can say I've ever watched a B&W movie and thought "wow I wish this was in COLOUR!!!!!"

Maybe they should go back to Jurassic Park 1 and 2 and raise the level of believability to Jurassic Park 3? Did you know the only reason the effects are so refined in Jurassic Park 3 is because of the experience they had making the previous movies... heck it's the same with Star Wars. There's a difference in the quality of the special effects between Star Wars, Empire and Jedi... and there's a difference between Phantom, Clones and Sith too.

The movie was made in 1977.... it does not have to be censored. They can remake it if they like, like they did with the Omen (great movie) - or The Hills Have Eyes (great remake there too)... Start from scratch if you want it at the "level" of the P.T.

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Did you know when I saw the omen remake with a mate on the 6th, he said (he says a lot of silly things) that 1. he thought the movie was a rip-off of final destination (which is so stupid as the original predates it by more then two decades), and 2. that he didn't find the idea of showing a dead body on the cover of a newspaper to be realistic because papers wouldn't be allowed to do that. And I'm like W.T.F.??? Why should they have to censor reality, that's so stupid (and dangerous thinking really)... it's thinking like that which is why all the fireworks I could buy are lame... and we can't have the good ones... and hell I hear in other places, such as most of australia you can't even buy ANY fireworks! W.T.F. is the world coming to? And get this, the RSPCA is always trying to ban them because they distress DOGS! DOGS! W.T.F.? I don't know what they've been smoking if they think that dogs should be put ahead of HUMANS!! People can't have a bit of fun and enjoyment with their friends and communities because of DOGS?! By the way dogs annoy the hell out of me so much by barking over their fences all the time, that I just don't see why they can distress and annoy the hell out of people who don't even own dogs... but according to the RSPCA people who don't even want to own dogs have to make provisions for dogs that OTHER people own - the same dogs that annoy them all year? Hell! W.T.F.??!

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I've said it before and I'll say it again - Lucas should have made the prequels in a retro style to match the originals and he would ahve gotten a lot of respect and credit for it. I'm talking old skool 70s style 'atari' displays, Animatronics/puppetry, etc.

If Starsky and Hutch can pull off a 70s look, why can't Stra Wars. It would be very cool IMO. The movies are set in a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. They are not set in the future. Why can't some things look a little outdated by our standards, while at the same time we have droids walking around and space travel is common place. I like the mix of old and new. For example, I had an idea for an animated series in which the Roman Empire never fell. The series is set in the future, so there would be robots and laser guns and stuff, but also people would still be wearing capes, and the soldiers would still resemble the old roman uniforms, etc. I think that would be cool.

P.S. Chrisdo, lay off the crack.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father

P.S. Chrisdo, lay off the crack.


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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Lucas should have made the prequels in a retro style to match the originals and he would ahve gotten a lot of respect and credit for it. I'm talking old skool 70s style 'atari' displays, Animatronics/puppetry, etc.

If Starsky and Hutch can pull off a 70s look, why can't Stra Wars. It would be very cool IMO. The movies are set in a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. They are not set in the future. Why can't some things look a little outdated by our standards, while at the same time we have droids walking around and space travel is common place. I like the mix of old and new. For example, I had an idea for an animated series in which the Roman Empire never fell. The series is set in the future, so there would be robots and laser guns and stuff, but also people would still be wearing capes, and the soldiers would still resemble the old roman uniforms, etc. I think that would be cool.

P.S. Chrisdo, lay off the crack.


I know if they PT would have been made to fit the OT more I wouldn't be disapointed as much.
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> The movie was made in 1977.... it does not have to be censored.
> They can remake it if they like, like they did with the Omen
> (great movie) - or The Hills Have Eyes (great remake there too)...
> Start from scratch if you want it at the "level" of the P.T.

I dont think there is a need to do a remake. The original Movies
are good, the scenes dont need to be played again, just the
special effects should be "brushed up" to fit the quality known
from the episodes 1-3.

And as i said, there should alse be a classical version so
everyone should be able to choose
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> You are the single most shallow poster I've ever seen.

Thanks for the compliment. good behaviour is not your
business, right?

You talk about Realism and Star Wars. As far as i know,
most of the things in the Films just do not exist. Maybe
the Robot has a high tech Surface that makes him almost
dirt and dustproof.

But thats too much for your imagination

> And if you think I'm some old man who doesn't like the
> new ways, i'm not. I'm 13, and I'm not shallow enough
> to be impressed by big fake computer-generated creatures
> like Jar-Jar.

-[ Funmode ON ]-
Maybe your parents should give you some learning the
old, hard way to improve your behavior. I think wooden sticks
are good child programming devices...
-[ Funmode OFF ]-

And talking about jarjar, i never ever undarstood why so
many fans hate him. Until i got a dvd with the english
language version. He sounds like a rasta boy there,
terrible...

Our german jarjar sounds more like a funny dutchmen
and as long as noone is speaking about soccer we
germans like our caravan driving neighbours with their
funny language...

> Come to think of it, you probably have a Jar-Jar doll
> you sleep with at night, and most likely wish that
> they'd replace Han-Solo with Jar-Jar in the next
> special edition.

Okay, you may be a child playing with dolls, i have other
dolls at night and i do things with them you never will
imagine until you get to adult level.

*hehe*

Chris

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Hah-Hah. Very funny jackass.

I said you were shallow because you ARE. All you care about is that a movie looks cool. Have you once stopped to think that a movie doesn't have to look really really flashy to be a good movie? And you poke fun at me because I'm 13, and say that I'm immature. you're the one who's immature. I talk to my friends and not a one of them thinks that CGI doesn't make movies look awesome. They're all as shallow as you. But they have an excuse. They're teenagers. I'm far beyond my years as far as movies go. I've made movies on my home cameras, and I realize what Lucasfilm went through to make the orginal movies, and I respect them so much because I see the hell that they went through. I also realize how Lucas tried to shove all that hard work and effort under a carpet. Have you stopped to think about that? Have you stopped to think about all the hours and hours and hours of hard work that would be for nothing if the changes YOU wanted were made. And you said that none of it was real in the OT? Excepting the lightsaber blades and lasers, it was all there. All of it was real, be it a model or a painting. You could actually sit in the cockpit of the millenium falcon. You COULD touch the death star. It was all there, and it shows it.

Someone else made a very good point that the PT should have been made to look like the OT. They still would've made tons and tons of money, and someone like you wouldn't be posting on here. It isn't the OT's job to look like the PT. It's the PT's job to look like the OT.

And as much as it pains me to say it, you are entitled to your opinions, and you can have them. Just don't post them on a message board that's main goal is to preserve the trilogy without changes. Or did you not check what these boards are about before posting?
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