Yes, welcome! As Frink said, that is a super username. (We should have thought of that in the lurker username thread.)
It sounds like you will fit right in. :-D
Hello everyone I am new here and am also a purist who saw Star Wars on May 25th 1977 @ the age of 12. I want my original trilogy in HD cleaned up prints remasterd with all the wonderful imperfections! I want to see those films preserved the way they were released in the theater all those years ago.
Lucas should have been encased in carbonite in 1996! Then we would have no SE's or prequels.
Thx for the welcome everyone! Glad u joined up too, FrozenLucas! I love your sig, and I heartily agree! George is worth what, 4-5 billion now? And we OOT fans are the ones that helped him amass that ridiculous fortune. He needs to show much respect and quit acting like a stubborn child and produce a well treated OOT for blu-ray!
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Hoth-Nudist said:
Thx for the welcome everyone!
I see what you did there...
Thx-1138 for noticing!
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
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The OP needs to change the thread title to reflect the REASON for the refusal to buy the product. Otherwise he/she will continue to attract sensible posters who agree, instead of the raving nutjobs we all love.
Star Wars presented in Digital Torture Systems fully lossless codec entitled the screams of Jedi Temple34...
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Ok, so I just found a great reference DVD for the difference between Dolby and DTS.
I have been watching the new remastered DVD of U2: Live at Red Rocks (BTW it is sheer magic!!). I flipped through the three audio options to compare on my Logitech 5.1 speaker sytem and here is what I came up with:
Dolby 5.1 mix is nice and defined but sounds a bit low and kinda tinny.
DTS mix is definitely more detailed and not tinny at all. It is immediately apparent when flipping between the two that the DTs is louder and better defined.
However neither come anywhere close to replicating the definition and clarity of the third option which is a stereo PCM track. On most concert DVDs I find it very hard to be adequately happy with the soundtrack. That is why I usually avoid them. I decided to grab this off the shelf at the library, and I am blown away by this simple but powerful track. I find it much more appealing than both the 5.1 remixes.
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Of course Dts sounds better on DVD because it uses a higher bit rate and less compression than Dolby.
On Blu ray there supposedly is not much of a difference since both are HD audio lossless.
Not the one to really say as i don't have blu ray, but that is what i take out of my online reading.
When playing back ac3 tracks on DVD you have to make sure the dynamic range compression is turned off. Makes a huge difference even with titles like star wars gout.
DTS was better on DVD when they did full bitrate then they did half. Many people used to import titles from overseas because the DVD's from Japan would not be half bitrate. Before the advent of Blu Ray superbit was the way to go for DTS DVD.
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skyjedi2005 said:
On Blu ray there supposedly is not much of a difference since both are HD audio lossless.
So it's not like DVD at all? I thought that it was a similar situation and that was why most of the majors were switching to DTS for their releases. If both formats are the same, then why are we arguing over which is better?
When playing back ac3 tracks on DVD you have to make sure the dynamic range compression is turned off. Makes a huge difference even with titles like star wars gout.
Does this ever happen on PC?
DTS was better on DVD when they did full bitrate then they did half. Many people used to import titles from overseas because the DVD's from Japan would not be half bitrate. Before the advent of Blu Ray superbit was the way to go for DTS DVD.
Isn't that kinda like comparing DTS LD to DTS DVD? DTS LD was about 1500 kbps right?
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captainsolo said:
skyjedi2005 said:
On Blu ray there supposedly is not much of a difference since both are HD audio lossless.
So it's not like DVD at all? I thought that it was a similar situation and that was why most of the majors were switching to DTS for their releases. If both formats are the same, then why are we arguing over which is better?
Because Jedi Temple34 says so!!!
:p
You win the prize, good sir! The only reason this is a "problem" is that Star Wars was mixed in Dolby, not DTS. However, all DTS is now is a compression algorithm, so they take the same files and save it in a different format. It's not a big deal (though I wish it was in Dolby as I need to buy a new receiver with DTS as it is).captainsolo said:
So it's not like DVD at all? I thought that it was a similar situation and that was why most of the majors were switching to DTS for their releases. If both formats are the same, then why are we arguing over which is better?
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Well Jedi Temple has been spouting the same crap about DTS one some of my youtube clips. But the good thing is that you can now finally see just who this douche is as he has posted videos of himself listening to DVD audio tracks
http://www.youtube.com/user/EmpireLS56KW#p/u/15/zcvdZkqoxts
And , as he is ignoring most of us, he will never know he's been discovered. lol
But geez, this guy is the same age as me?
That was slightly uncomfortable to watch. But I do have to give him a bizarre sort of credit for his conviction in believing in DTS so much.
Most of the time, any difference between Dolby and DTS on home video will have absolutely nothing to do with the codecs themselves. They will nearly always result from differences in the mixes used, or the average volume level at which the tracks are encoded. Dolby also forcibly engages dynamic range compression when downmixing 5.1 tracks to a lesser number of speakers, which creates a startling reduction in peak volume that makes it seem inferior when compared to DTS, which does not do this. Taken side by side on a full 5.1 setup, identical mixes encoded into Dolby and DTS formats will display nearly no difference whatsoever, aside from whatever minor improvements may result from using higher bitrates.
With both companies offering high resolution lossless options on Bluray, there is virtually no distinction between them aside from the technical issues of how the audio is actually stored and encoded and so forth.
It is the height of foolishness to judge the codecs based on inadequate criteria, and without taking other factors into consideration. Yet the pointless debate goes ever on . . .
The only difference I noticed with DTS and Dolby concerning Star Wars (which was the only edition I can even recall using DTS) was watching one of those demo DVDs that show movies clips using DTS and Dolby, and on that disc was TPM pod race. There, the DTS sound had more detail and clarity in the sound over the Dolby, but maybe this was an illusion based on the loudness of the DTS track in parts? I'm not sure.
adywan said:
But the good thing is that you can now finally see just who this douche is as he has posted videos of himself listening to DVD audio tracks
http://www.youtube.com/user/EmpireLS56KW#p/u/15/zcvdZkqoxts
And , as he is ignoring most of us, he will never know he's been discovered. lol
Dude sure owns a lot of speakers.
Perhaps it's funny that in a video all about sound quality, I don't understand a a damn thing he says.
But he does have a self describer "golden ear" so it's hard to argue with him
tl;dw
adywan said:
Well Jedi Temple has been spouting the same crap about DTS one some of my youtube clips. But the good thing is that you can now finally see just who this douche is as he has posted videos of himself listening to DVD audio tracks
http://www.youtube.com/user/EmpireLS56KW#p/u/15/zcvdZkqoxts
And , as he is ignoring most of us, he will never know he's been discovered. lol
But geez, this guy is the same age as me?
He's sitting 4 feet away from all those speakers , not recommended if he wants to keep his hearing . Is it me or am i seeing things ?, at 4.49 in that video you can clearly see he's wearing a short white skirt !.
Since my list is far from complete, please head over to this thread if you haven't done so already and tell me if you're being ignored:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Are-you-being-ignored-by-Jedi-Temple34/topic/11964/
Oh J_T34, I have a question for you - what difference does DTS or non DTS make when you need a hearing aid either way?
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I seriously thought the way he was harping on and not listening to opposing viewpoints, then ignoring us all meant that he was a petulant teenager. Wow, was I wrong!
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I guess you could call it...
...arrested development.
Not that I think any of us will change Lucas' mind, but in the age of social networking, I think there's a slightly larger chance to organize. Maybe a Facebook or Twitter page or somesuch?
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"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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