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SilverWook said:

Since many early Blu Ray titles have nice uncompressed PCM tracks, all these dueling audio codecs seem unnecessary.  But they had to find a way to make my less than five year old receiver obsolete didn't they? ;)

I can hear the difference between Dolby Digital and DTS on DVD, but hearing any subtle differences on Blu hasn't happened for me yet.

With regards to multi-channel PCM, I think one of the reasons it has been dropped as an option by most studios is that firstly it took up too much disc space (Stereo 24bit WAV is about 2Mbps, so 6 channel is about 6Mbps).  Also, in legacy AV receivers, you don't get a proper 5.1 track, just a Pro-Logic track, so studios still had to include something like a Dolby or DTS track on there anyway.

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That can't be it.  It has to be a conspiracy.  ;)  (<- wink)

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Jedi Temple34 said:

 

Issues I’ve heard that dts on bluray has issues with something called “bit bomb”? where the sound goes and raw digital sound suddenly bursts out the loudspeakers to wake the dead! No thanks I don’t fancy coming over a dodgy dts bluray.

 

 

Better check your facts again. This is a problems some people are having with BOTH DTSHD & DOLBYHD. It's a player/ receiver problem and nothing to do with the audio track. Not 1 of the DTS tracks i have watched has suffered with this problem even ones that people have reported the split second crap out on their players.

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DVD-BOY said:

SilverWook said:

Since many early Blu Ray titles have nice uncompressed PCM tracks, all these dueling audio codecs seem unnecessary.  But they had to find a way to make my less than five year old receiver obsolete didn't they? ;)

I can hear the difference between Dolby Digital and DTS on DVD, but hearing any subtle differences on Blu hasn't happened for me yet.

With regards to multi-channel PCM, I think one of the reasons it has been dropped as an option by most studios is that firstly it took up too much disc space (Stereo 24bit WAV is about 2Mbps, so 6 channel is about 6Mbps).  Also, in legacy AV receivers, you don't get a proper 5.1 track, just a Pro-Logic track, so studios still had to include something like a Dolby or DTS track on there anyway.

Which was the whole point of having analog 5.1 outputs on the players and inputs on your old receiver to begin with. (Same with the early days of DVD.) They finally got back to the uncompressed audio we always had with Laserdisc, and then they drop it so they can cram in crap that makes movies take forever to load, and most people are never going to bother with twice. None of those BD Live extras are going to be available forever either.

I guess it will be the odd music video or concert title that will even have PCM in the future.

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DVD-BOY said:

Maybe I've drunk too much coffee today but your entire post makes no sense.

What did this ex Dolby Constant say - does he know Desmond from Lost?

What's your point about the cost of the encoders?

I've never heard of a "Bit Bomb".

You do realise that Theatre Dolby is different technology to Dolby TruHD right?

I'm going to refuse to buy Star Wars on Blu-ray because it's AVC encoded rather than 35mm film.

Please send your thoughts to Lucasfilm - if you're quick they might read them out at Celebration V for a laugh.

Now, how does this clueless muppet filter work again...

 

Nah, can’t be asked to. Why do you, send it to them.

Anyway I have bigger fish to fry the moment. Nice talking to.

 

 

Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.

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I certainly hope you'll share the fish with us here.  They're sure to be entertaining.

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Who cares about the blu ray since it will not have either theatrical versions, the 1977, or 1997 .

It will be total crap.  The new mix being created will suck too since Ben burtt does no longer work for Luca$film. Matthew wood is doing the mix, it will be garbage.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Who cares about the blu ray since it will not have either theatrical versions, the 1977, or 1997 .

It will be total crap.  The new mix being created will suck too since Ben burtt does no longer work for Luca$film. Matthew wood is doing the mix, it will be garbage.

 Yep, what he said.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Who cares about the blu ray since it will not have either theatrical versions, the 1977, or 1997 .

It will be total crap.  The new mix being created will suck too since Ben burtt does no longer work for Luca$film. Matthew wood is doing the mix, it will be garbage.

But wasn't it Ben Burtt that did the 2004 mix and look how good that turned out. Ben Burtt was just the sound FX guy and should have stuck to that. When he got his hands on the mix he dialled down the music so low it was inaudible in some sections and the sound effects just drowned everything out

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i'll just let someone else buy it and rip the rear channels to get complete scores of the Prequels/ROTJ..............

Yes, why buy it when you can steal what you want from it?

Nice.

 no different then people who dont own the PT but own the albums and download the Complete Scores besides i own the DVD's it so it will just be replacing not very clean rear channel rips with cleaner rear channel rips

John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/

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YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID

You don't own the Blu-ray, which is the topic of this thread.  Your ownership of the DVDs has no bearing on the discussion.

And by the way, I don't know anything about the complete scores, but let me guess.  The soundtracks available for purchase are missing some of the music that you can find in the actual movies, correct?  Well, you better own the movies if you want the music ripped from the movies.

Feel free to explain further how this is not piracy.

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Feel free to explain further how this is not piracy.

It hasn't happened yet.  The correct term is Imminent Infringement.

 

 

FYI: http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/07/26

July 26th, 2010

 The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) won three critical exemptions to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) anticircumvention provisions today, carving out new legal protections for consumers who modify their cell phones and artists who remix videos — people who, until now, could have been sued for their non-infringing or fair use activities.

That means that every fan edit which used a DVD rip was illegal until just over one week ago.  Did/Do you view your cut scene list as illegal activity?  You can make all the internal regulations you want, but the Rule of Law is a different thing.

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Fanedits are still most likely illegal, IMO.  That EFF thing, if it's the same thing I read, only applies to short portions of films. 

But Lucas has indicated (indirectly, I believe) that he has no problem with fanedits.  He certainly seems like the kind of guy who would have tried to shut them down if he really cared.

And yes, the blu-rays aren't out yet.  But why defend someone who says "I'm going to steal the parts I want once they are out?"

I swear we've had this discussion before.

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TV's Frink:

I swear we've had this discussion before.

Yes we have, and again Imminent Infringement is the correct term for possible copyright infringement in the future.

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But why defend someone who says "I'm going to steal the parts I want once they are out?"

I didn't defend him.  His Imminent Infringement claim is just as absurd as your piracy claim. 

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Fanedits are still most likely illegal, IMO.

Then why not enter every thread and proclaim piracy?  If you are going to do this for the ones which haven't happened yet, why not the easy ones, the ones which have happened?

But Lucas has indicated (indirectly, I believe) that he has no problem with fanedits.  He certainly seems like the kind of guy who would have tried to shut them down if he really cared.

Lucas's opinion doesn't matter if someone else at LFL makes the final call.  Ask DaveyTod.

The EFF thing applies to DVD ripping.  What the person does with the material still applies to the regular laws.  and in the case of much around here untested Fair Use.  What's interesting about the recent expanding of the rules is that they don't apply to new technologies like blu-ray.

 

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DaveyTod's edit was eventually restored - they thought it was just a rip of the movie, rather than an edit.

There is a big difference between discussing a fanedit and announcing "I plan to steal a portion of this work once it is available."

And with that, I'm done.  I can't believe I'm having to defend this position.

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TV's Frink wrote:

DaveyTod's edit was eventually restored - they thought it was just a rip of the movie, rather than an edit.

Restored, by which you mean the community has returned to distributing it.  LFL has not to public knowledge (OT.com and FE.org threads reviewed) sent a second message pertaining to 'The Clones Revealed'.  You can perceive that as them being ok with it, but the written letter and court of law state that their cease & desist still stands as valid and active.

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There is a big difference between discussing a fanedit and announcing "I plan to steal a portion of this work once it is available."

I was not debating that.  Was trying to get the correct terminology out there and to discuss larger issues which could make the big difference moot.

 

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TV's Frink said:

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID

And by the way, I don't know anything about the complete scores, but let me guess.  The soundtracks available for purchase are missing some of the music that you can find in the actual movies, correct?  Well, you better own the movies if you want the music ripped from the movies.

 i own the DVD's it so it will just be replacing not very clean rear channel rips with cleaner rear channel rips

John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/

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Oh FFS...

fishmanlee said:

TV's Frink said:

fishmanlee said:

i'll just let someone else buy it and rip the rear channels to get complete scores of the Prequels/ROTJ..............

Yes, why buy it when you can steal what you want from it?

Nice.

 no different then people who dont own the PT but own the albums and download the Complete Scores besides i own the DVD's it so it will just be replacing not very clean rear channel rips with cleaner rear channel rips

You were comparing your idea of ripping the blu-rays to people ripping the music from the PT who don't own the movies, and I said both would be wrong.

Sheesh.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Who cares about the blu ray since it will not have either theatrical versions, the 1977, or 1997 .

It will be total crap.  The new mix being created will suck too since Ben burtt does no longer work for Luca$film. Matthew wood is doing the mix, it will be garbage.

But wasn't it Ben Burtt that did the 2004 mix and look how good that turned out. Ben Burtt was just the sound FX guy and should have stuck to that. When he got his hands on the mix he dialled down the music so low it was inaudible in some sections and the sound effects just drowned everything out

He's credited for it but he mostly just supervised. I was listening to an interview recently with Matt Wood and he was talking about how he and his partner were the ones that actually created the '04 mix.

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Mielr said:

I won't buy it on blu-ray either...but not just because of the sound. I'll only buy it if it includes the pre-Special Edition version.

Which it won't. I'm done with Star Wars until something does, and that doesn't look like a very viable possibility anytime in the near future. There are other places for me to spend my money.

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I don't like Star Wars anymore.

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What????

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Why does Lucas want to continue to destroy his creation the theatrical versions are perfect in every way. Boycott the Star Wars Trilogy on bluray release and embrace the Star Wars unaltered trilogy the way he should have released the Star Wars Trilogy on dvd.