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I just compared my 'Hoosiers' Anamorphic & Non-Anamorphic DVD's — Page 2
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The only reason I really posted was just to ease everyone that non-anamorphic DVD master wasn't shit on my Hoosiers DVD. It wasn't repulsive, it didn't stick out as soon as I turned it on, and I watched a good part of the movie putting in my mindset that this was the only DVD transfer I had, kinda of that this was the SW release and there was no other option, and I was suprisingly happy.
I watched a good amount of my old non-anamorphic movies, all of which I had to blow up to 16 x 9 zoom, and everyone of the was suprisingly good to me. Were they great? No way, but they weren't shit. If I had to say either leaning towards very good to shit, I would still lean toward very good, probably giving them a B+ grade. I compared all those non-anamorphic movies to my Star Wars OT bootlegs, and they blew away the quality of the OT. When I put on my bootlegs, I did notice the quality drop, and it felt like I was watching a laserdisk movie.
I just think that even a non-anamorphic movie will blow away a laserdisk movie in quality anyday. I may not know what I am talking about, so feel free to correct me, but I have seen laserdisk movies over my friends house, and none seemed as good as my non-anamorphic DVD's.
The reason I changed is I think even non-anamorphic OT on DVD will be so much better than what we have now compared to our bootlegs. I am going to bitch and moan to Lucas to reconsider. But if we lose, and that is a possiblity cause he is being a prick, than I think we have to show him there is a demand for this set, and if we boycott, he wins and says, "See, nobody wanted them, I told you it wasn't worth it to release them."
Either way, Lucas wins, why not atleast enjoy them on our end.
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And this September release is going to be better than most of the LD rip bootlegs. Mostly because the DVDs that are coming out are from the Master. Where as the rips are second hand.
Master ---> DVD
Master ---> Laserdisc ---> rip ---> DVD-R
Any time there is a middle man you will always have image degregation. Bottom line; no mater how fantastic the Laserdiscs themselves were, DVD rips of those disks can only come out as good as what was on the LD previously.
As irritated as I am with Lucas's comeplete disreguard for cinema history, these DVDs will be the best quality version currently out there.
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Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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I may very well not buy these discs. Why should I reward his disdain?
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But to the topic, THX mentioned that letterbox is better for people with SD televisions. I'm not disagreeing with this, but there will eventually be a point where SDTVs are not being made and all that is out there are HDTVs. So if you think of it from that perspective, everything should be done in anamorphic because eventually everyone is going to have a HDTV. Before people say that's wrong, let me explain why I believe this to be true. There is going to be a point where they stop manufacturing SDTVs and just manufacture HDTVs. Now there are still gonna be the people that have SDTVs that are still working, but those are going to eventually stop working. So when they go out and buy a new TV they are gonna have to get an HDTV. Also, I remember reading somewhere that everything is going to be going to a digital signal eventually, the government wants it to be by like 2008 or something. People are gonna need to get a converter if they have SDTVs, but with HDTVs they will be fine, or should be fine.
Another thing that is really nice with anamorphic is when watching it on a HDTV you lose the "black bars" for pictures filmed in certain ARs. Now a lot of people complain about the "black bars" when they watch widescreen movies and how they hate them. My parents have a HDTV and I know when I watch my movies on it I prefer to watch the anamorphic movies. I don't mind the "black bars" but with anamorphic on HDTVs you get 33% more detail, or something like that. You also have a bigger viewing area with anamorphic on HDTVs. Since it's inevitable that HDTVs are gonna be in all households at some point in the future, DVD makers should make all the films anamorphic.
I don't think there is any reason for Lucas to not make these films anamorphic. Of course, I also think it's a real shame that he's putting the OOT movies as bonus features and re-releasing the SEs. This was more or less just a rant, cause it's 1:18am now and I was just catching up on some of the posts in the forum.
-Shark2k
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Anyways, it makes sense that a studio's official non-anamorphic dvd wouldn't look too bad when compared to the official anamophic release. Even the best anamorphic releases are usually handicapped with detail reduction and small edge enhancement halos.
Edit - yeah, anamorphic releases are better - especially for 2.35:1 films. I was just trying to make myself feel better. These are some sad times.
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Originally posted by: Shark2k
THX mentioned that letterbox is better for people with SD televisions. Actually, I said it was better for people with 4:3 TVs, which is not the same thing as SD. In your above post, you are generally confusing SD with 4:3 and HD with 16:9. You are right that eventually HD will become standard, but at that point neither a letterboxed nor an anamorphic SD DVD will exploit the potential of the TV. Which is why I said:
Originally posted by: THX
The anamorphic transfer will only appear sharper to those with 16:9 displays. The saturation and black level have nothing to do with anamorphic vs letterbox, they are to do with the quality of the transfer itself. The fact is that for the vast majority of people (those who have 4:3 TVs), a letterboxed transfer is actually better. For the majority of the rest (those who have sub 50" 16:9 displays) a letterbox transfer is perfectly acceptable (see CO's statements above). For the tiny minority (those who have projectors or huge 16:9 sets), there will be a noticeable difference. Now, any kind of SD DVD (anamorphic or letterbox) isn't going to look good on HD gear. By the time most people switch to 16:9, HD will be in full force, so for an SD release, letterbox seems like an acceptable choice for now.
But should the OUT be fully restored and newly transferred to HD? Yes.
THX mentioned that letterbox is better for people with SD televisions. Actually, I said it was better for people with 4:3 TVs, which is not the same thing as SD. In your above post, you are generally confusing SD with 4:3 and HD with 16:9. You are right that eventually HD will become standard, but at that point neither a letterboxed nor an anamorphic SD DVD will exploit the potential of the TV. Which is why I said:
Originally posted by: THX
The anamorphic transfer will only appear sharper to those with 16:9 displays. The saturation and black level have nothing to do with anamorphic vs letterbox, they are to do with the quality of the transfer itself. The fact is that for the vast majority of people (those who have 4:3 TVs), a letterboxed transfer is actually better. For the majority of the rest (those who have sub 50" 16:9 displays) a letterbox transfer is perfectly acceptable (see CO's statements above). For the tiny minority (those who have projectors or huge 16:9 sets), there will be a noticeable difference. Now, any kind of SD DVD (anamorphic or letterbox) isn't going to look good on HD gear. By the time most people switch to 16:9, HD will be in full force, so for an SD release, letterbox seems like an acceptable choice for now.
But should the OUT be fully restored and newly transferred to HD? Yes.
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Originally posted by: THX
Originally posted by: Shark2k
THX mentioned that letterbox is better for people with SD televisions. Actually, I said it was better for people with 4:3 TVs, which is not the same thing as SD. In your above post, you are generally confusing SD with 4:3 and HD with 16:9. You are right that eventually HD will become standard, but at that point neither a letterboxed nor an anamorphic SD DVD will exploit the potential of the TV. Which is why I said:
Originally posted by: THX
The anamorphic transfer will only appear sharper to those with 16:9 displays. The saturation and black level have nothing to do with anamorphic vs letterbox, they are to do with the quality of the transfer itself. The fact is that for the vast majority of people (those who have 4:3 TVs), a letterboxed transfer is actually better. For the majority of the rest (those who have sub 50" 16:9 displays) a letterbox transfer is perfectly acceptable (see CO's statements above). For the tiny minority (those who have projectors or huge 16:9 sets), there will be a noticeable difference. Now, any kind of SD DVD (anamorphic or letterbox) isn't going to look good on HD gear. By the time most people switch to 16:9, HD will be in full force, so for an SD release, letterbox seems like an acceptable choice for now.
But should the OUT be fully restored and newly transferred to HD? Yes.
THX mentioned that letterbox is better for people with SD televisions. Actually, I said it was better for people with 4:3 TVs, which is not the same thing as SD. In your above post, you are generally confusing SD with 4:3 and HD with 16:9. You are right that eventually HD will become standard, but at that point neither a letterboxed nor an anamorphic SD DVD will exploit the potential of the TV. Which is why I said:
Originally posted by: THX
The anamorphic transfer will only appear sharper to those with 16:9 displays. The saturation and black level have nothing to do with anamorphic vs letterbox, they are to do with the quality of the transfer itself. The fact is that for the vast majority of people (those who have 4:3 TVs), a letterboxed transfer is actually better. For the majority of the rest (those who have sub 50" 16:9 displays) a letterbox transfer is perfectly acceptable (see CO's statements above). For the tiny minority (those who have projectors or huge 16:9 sets), there will be a noticeable difference. Now, any kind of SD DVD (anamorphic or letterbox) isn't going to look good on HD gear. By the time most people switch to 16:9, HD will be in full force, so for an SD release, letterbox seems like an acceptable choice for now.
But should the OUT be fully restored and newly transferred to HD? Yes.
I'm not confusing SD with 4:3 & HD with 16:9, I actually know the difference. The reason I refer to 16:9 as HD is because, first off, any TV that you get that is 16:9 is a HDTV. I searched and couldn't find any SDTV that was a 16:9 display. I know that at one point you could buy HDTVs that were 4:3, but I can't seem to find those online anymore. Also, the aspect ratio that is used by High Definition video is 1.78:1 (16:9). Now, even though I said all that, I know that SD tv can be display in widescreen, which would have to be letterboxed, but SDTVs are for the most part, if not always, 4:3 aspect ratio.
So, the only reason I replied is just to let you know that I do understand the difference, I was just be lazy and saying it in a way I understand, albeit not entirely correct on the SDTV part. I should have used 4:3 & 16:9 instead of SD & HD, respectively, but I didn't. Hopefully people that read that post will read the posts after and read what you said and what I said so that they understand. Sorry for being lazy. Sorry for also going off the topic.
-Shark2k
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Originally posted by: CO
I know Lucas is a dick, and trust me, I have been enraged since finding about this shit he is pulling, but I am just being honest, I really think I am gonna buy them, cause there wasn't that HUGE of difference where I would say within seconds, "This is just shit quality!" All those Non-Anamorphic DVD's were actually pretty good I watched scenes from tonight. Not spectacular, but not worth the boycott of missing the movies I love.
I am sorry guys, but I have to say I have done a 180, but atleast it was from a comparison, so I am being honest with myself.
The only thing I can tell you guys to do is maybe rent a DVD from Blockbuster that is non-anamorphic and do the comparison yourself.
Lucas is fucking us, so might as well enjoy the movies we love, instead of seeing Hayden in ROTJ!
I know Lucas is a dick, and trust me, I have been enraged since finding about this shit he is pulling, but I am just being honest, I really think I am gonna buy them, cause there wasn't that HUGE of difference where I would say within seconds, "This is just shit quality!" All those Non-Anamorphic DVD's were actually pretty good I watched scenes from tonight. Not spectacular, but not worth the boycott of missing the movies I love.
I am sorry guys, but I have to say I have done a 180, but atleast it was from a comparison, so I am being honest with myself.
The only thing I can tell you guys to do is maybe rent a DVD from Blockbuster that is non-anamorphic and do the comparison yourself.
Lucas is fucking us, so might as well enjoy the movies we love, instead of seeing Hayden in ROTJ!
Don't back out now! Just because the quality is "good enough" isn't cause for throwing in the towel! If you do, than Darth Lucas has already won!
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