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I actually prefer the DVDs and can't wait for more edits, seriously.

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I was only 1 when A New Hope was released and to this day I would never have even known the name of the alien dude that Han Solo shot at the table in the cantina until the internet told me the scene was changed. I would have never even noticed. I love the fact that Hayden Christensen is the sprit of Anakin and I totally understand the reasoning behind it. My ex girlfriend saw the movies with me in chronological order (all only on official DVD except pt 3 in the theater, and a DVD-r of the then-unreleased Clone Wars Vol. 2). She never saw the original movies until last year and only the DVD versions. She didn't have any problems understanding the continutity or anything. She was thrilled to see Hayden at the end of Jedi (partly because she thinks he's cute). I just love how everything is tied together and matches up. Even Leia remembering her mom. I assume Bail told her some info about her growing up and partly rememebers her just because of the force. I can't wait for the 3D versions, the 2007 versions and the TV series! Hopefully at least one episode of the series will have little Leia watching "home hologram movies" with her parents showing Padme before she died. The ONLY reason I want the OOT is for completest and comparison reasons. The main version I will always watch will be the official DVDs, until Lucas updates them even further. Just call me George Lucas Jr. because I would have done everything the same way. Even Jar Jar. I saw Phantom Menace in the theater with my grandmother, parents and sisters. The females loved Jar Jar and wouldn't have liked the movie at all without him there. They said he was funny and I agree with them. Just like George did in the documentary (which I started to watch it for the first time yesterday), The Beginning. He said something like, we've never had a character as funny as Jar Jar before.
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Is this some kind of parody or satire? I don't get it.
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Nope. I am totally serious. I agree with Lucas 100% on every change. In fact, I might even be as bold to say that Revenge of the Sith is my favorite Star Wars movie. Probably 3, 6, 5, 4, 2, 1 is the order I like the movies from best to worst. That being said, i love all of them. Phantom Menace was awesome. Not as good as the others maybe, but it was cool. I really don't need any of the fan edits, they are perfect the way they are now, the newest versions. Now maybe if someone would fan edit to fix up the bad parts like digital yoda into TPM, fixing Luke's lightsaber in the ship, making Vader's redder, stuff like that I would go for. I'd actually like to have the 1997 verisions on DVD also, just so I can have all three versions. I just love everything fitting together like a puzzle, even if you have to cut the edges off some of the pieces so they fit, as George has done. I just wish they would have added Jimmy Smits to ANH. That would have been cool. Maybe just before Aldeeran blew up, he could be there talking to his wife, waiting for Leia to return.

I also love the Ewoks and even the TV movies about them. I was a kid when Star Wars was released (hmm, in 83 I was 7) and I will always see them as kids movies. I love kids movies though, and will always think of myself as a kid.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
Nope. I am totally serious. I agree with Lucas 100% on every change. In fact, I might even be as bold to say that Revenge of the Sith is my favorite Star Wars movie. Probably 3, 6, 5, 4, 2, 1 is the order I like the movies from best to worst. That being said, i love all of them. Phantom Menace was awesome. Not as good as the others maybe, but it was cool. I really don't need any of the fan edits, they are perfect the way they are now, the newest versions. Now maybe if someone would fan edit to fix up the bad parts like digital yoda into TPM, fixing Luke's lightsaber in the ship, making Vader's redder, stuff like that I would go for. I'd actually like to have the 1997 verisions on DVD also, just so I can have all three versions. I just love everything fitting together like a puzzle, even if you have to cut the edges off some of the pieces so they fit, as George has done. I just wish they would have added Jimmy Smits to ANH. That would have been cool. Maybe just before Aldeeran blew up, he could be there talking to his wife, waiting for Leia to return.

I also love the Ewoks and even the TV movies about them. I was a kid when Star Wars was released (hmm, in 83 I was 7) and I will always see them as kids movies. I love kids movies though, and will always think of myself as a kid.


I like this guy.
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The main version I will always watch will be the official DVDs, until Lucas updates them even further.
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I really don't need any of the fan edits, they are perfect the way they are now, the newest versions.


Does ... not ... compute.

If they are perfect now, why would you watch any further updates, which are necessarily worse than what you've got now? From a philosophical standpoint, you've identified the platonic ideal of Star Wars. Anything else falls onto a continuum between that, and not-Star-Wars. Since you've got the platonic ideal now, the next version of the trilogy will be somewhere else on that continuum, it won't be the endpoint. It won't be the perfection you've got now. Willfully going from perfection to imperfection is, in Christianity, the Original Sin. It's also damned irrational. From an economics standpoint, you're saying that you've got zero demand for something, but you're going to buy it anyway. And once you've got it, it'll actually have a negative utility value, so it'll make you feel bad when you watch it. And you'll have less wealth. It's like you're some kind of Lucasian ascetic, giving your money to the rich and flogging yourself in the middle of an otherwise pleasant day.
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Scruffy... I think he means perfect as in "the best of the versions that are out there until a new version is released."
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"I like this guy."

I'm not surprised. I experienced Deja Vu while reading his post.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Marioxb, are you the same guy who used to frequent the Gamefaqs board for Animal Crossing?

Steve
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Marioxb, what do you think of The Star Wars Holiday Special?
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Scruffy... I think he means perfect as in "the best of the versions that are out there until a new version is released."


Well, that's not the definition of perfect. I'd love to be important enough to go around redefining words, but I'm not, I'm stuck with English as it currently exists. (And a smattering of words from a few other languages.) I suspect marioxb is, too.
"It's the stoned movie you don't have to be stoned for." -- Tom Shales on Star Wars
Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
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Correct. He's apparently using his own definition of perfect.
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Yes to all of the above. I am the marioxb from gamefaqs. OK, so ALMOST perfect then. As far as the holiday special, I haven't watched it yet. I never even knew it aired on tv at the time and I don't wanna watch it on my computer. I have the first angrysun version from myspleen. It appears there is a newer (better) version there now? I only want to burn one of them to DVD and if the other version is better, that'll be the one. If the only differene is say, that it was filmed from a different TV channel, then who cares?

So, can anyone tell me, what are the exact differences with the two Holiday Specials on myspleen? I don't wanna spend a week or two downloading something that I already have. Plus I don't have too much HD space right now.
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The newer version, the KCCI version, is possibly the best quality the Holiday Special has ever been offered in. The only major defect that reveals it to be taken from an old 1978 tape is a tape wobble at the very end. I highly recommend this version!
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I wasn't able to figure out the difference between the two versions on MySpleen, either. I have the BLAK0019 - KCCI version. It's got a station identification briefly overlaid on the animated segment, but it's just there for a couple of seconds. The quality was quite sufficient otherwise. For the wothless dreck that is the SWHS, of course. (Okay, I kind of like the Bea Arthur and Jefferson Starship numbers.) It's heavily padded with extras, some of which are still commercially available, and some of which shouldn't be available anywhere. Oddly enough, it seems to be missing Bentframe's Flash toons; seeing Jabba sing "O Holy Night" in Huttese would've truly completed the experience.
"It's the stoned movie you don't have to be stoned for." -- Tom Shales on Star Wars
Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
I wasn't able to figure out the difference between the two versions on MySpleen, either. I have the BLAK0019 - KCCI version. It's got a station identification briefly overlaid on the animated segment, but it's just there for a couple of seconds. The quality was quite sufficient otherwise. For the wothless dreck that is the SWHS, of course. (Okay, I kind of like the Bea Arthur and Jefferson Starship numbers.) It's heavily padded with extras, some of which are still commercially available, and some of which shouldn't be available anywhere. Oddly enough, it seems to be missing Bentframe's Flash toons; seeing Jabba sing "O Holy Night" in Huttese would've truly completed the experience.


That's it!
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"Cutting the pieces off to make the puzzle fit"? I'm sorry, and I don't want to sound like a flamer, and I'm sure anyone on these boards can attest that I don't, but that just sounds pretty damned dumb. Please don't tell me you actually did this as a child! You couldn't figure out how the puzzle worked, so you simply made it fit? You see, in a puzzle, the pieces are created with the sole purpose of fitting together. If they don't fit together, then you don't have a puzzle. And you don't take your puzzle of the Golden Gate Bridge and try to combine it with a puzzle with a puzzle of the Statue of Liberty. They aren't meant to fit together, and so they won't unless you deface them. What the prequels should have been was the other half of the puzzle, or, no... a small little corner whose detail you can't quite see. Its clarification isn't necessary, but it would be nice to know what was in that corner. Those are what the prequels should have been. A part that's custom made to fit the existing puzzle. Instead, you have the orignals as the Statue of Liberty, and the prequels as the Golden Gate Bridge, and Lucas tries his damndest to make this implausible situation fit.

There's just no logical standpoint to it.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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"I highly recommend this version!"

Inasmuch as the Holiday Special, itself, can actually be recommended.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
"Cutting the pieces off to make the puzzle fit"? I'm sorry, and I don't want to sound like a flamer, and I'm sure anyone on these boards can attest that I don't, but that just sounds pretty damned dumb. Please don't tell me you actually did this as a child! You couldn't figure out how the puzzle worked, so you simply made it fit? You see, in a puzzle, the pieces are created with the sole purpose of fitting together. If they don't fit together, then you don't have a puzzle. And you don't take your puzzle of the Golden Gate Bridge and try to combine it with a puzzle with a puzzle of the Statue of Liberty. They aren't meant to fit together, and so they won't unless you deface them. What the prequels should have been was the other half of the puzzle, or, no... a small little corner whose detail you can't quite see. Its clarification isn't necessary, but it would be nice to know what was in that corner. Those are what the prequels should have been. A part that's custom made to fit the existing puzzle. Instead, you have the orignals as the Statue of Liberty, and the prequels as the Golden Gate Bridge, and Lucas tries his damndest to make this implausible situation fit.

There's just no logical standpoint to it.


Well, I was trying to be funny with that puzzle thing and no, I never did that. On the other hand, I should have used this analogy. I bet EVERYONE has done this. Taking the stickers off of the Rubix Cube because you go so frustrated with it and were happy when you could pretend that you got all the colors lined up again.

But I do love every version of Star Wars out there, the newer the better. I can't look at Darth Vader and not see Hayden Christsensen inside the suit, which is a good thing by the way. I can easilly see the movies looking like they were filmed AFTER Sith, which is the way it should appear. Yeah they were filmed before, so what? I think it turned out great the way it did.

Hey, wouldn't it be cool if Jake Lloyd did a cmeo as little Luke somewhere in the TV series? Maybe this is only a question for Adamwankenobi. By the way, when I was little my mom said I looked like Luke Skywalker. I used to have blond hair and it was even in the same style as Jake's in TPM. Yeah, I liked Star Wars as a child, but because it has explosions, fighting, ewoks, lightsabers, and cool toys. That's all. I didn't care about or understand any of the technical aspects. So go ahead and change them and make them better, as good as the prequels, technology speaking.

As a matter of fact, did anyone see the 2004 (or was it 2005?) MTV movie awards post show? Where they had this fake award for this pretend critic that liked EVERY movie? "Wow! I'm watching a MOVIE!! This is great! I have popcorn! Yeah!! Awesome" and he gave like 5 stars to movies like Gigli and stuff? Well, that guy kinda is me. If the movie is entertaining/ has a lot of action/ is funny (any combination) and not totally boring, it gets an A+ in my book. Never had any desire to see Gigli though.
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Originally posted by: marioxb

Hey, wouldn't it be cool if Jake Lloyd did a cmeo as little Luke somewhere in the TV series? Maybe this is only a question for Adamwankenobi.


You know something, it's nice to see an original fan who appreciates the PT and doesn't get so upset over it. Wow. But anyway, yeah, if done correctly, I think a Jake Lloyd cameo as young Luke would be cool. It might even be OK if he made occasional appearances.
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Except for the somewhat obvious matter of Jake Lloyd almost being too old to play a young anyone. At the speed Lucas makes movies he might as well have filmed Anakin's turn to the dark side in real time.

Steve
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Yeah, which is only about 3 or 4 years younger than Mark Hamil's Luke... not a lot of room to breathe there.

And, no, I never peeled the stickers off a Rubik's Cube.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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its fine marioxb if lucas changes the ot, just put out the oot as well . i just dont like history being revised. especially 20 years after the fact
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The thing is with the rubix cube analogy it's undoing your mistakes after fiddling with it for so long. Thus, preserving the original out of the box image of the toy. It's not changing the colors on the toy and, giving it extra arms/legs/tentacals(to be added after months of CGI); a.k.a. adding extra scenes and, tentacals to the sarlacc. It's adhering to the original. That's beside the point though. I'm one of those people that think Lucas could release 20 different versions on DVD for all I care. So long as, one of them is the original and, it's clearly marked as, such.


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Well, about the Jake Lloyd as Luke-thing, allow me to a be a little... rude. Puberty has not been well to Jake. In fact he's... pretty ugly And he looks nothing like Mark Hamill.
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill