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I actaully PREFER seeing the black bars, even on my widescreen TV.

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So it really doesn't bother me EVER about non-animorphic. Ever since I first discovered the joy of widescreen, (probably with the VHS Star Wars Trilogy- the one with the holofoil cover and From SW to Jedi tape) I always tried to track down the widescreen version of movies. Which, having never owned an LD player and never owning DVD until The Matrix was released, was pretty difficult. Eventually the black bars grew on me until I really didn't notice them. Many years later, I got a widescreen TV and now I can't watch movies without seeing the bars there. It just feels more "cinematic" to me with the black bars. I tried setting my DVD to 16x9 every once in a while, but I just hate it. It feels like I am missing something. And I swear on 1:85:1 movies, a little itty bit of the top and bottom is missing. I noticed this with Resident Evil. I can't be bothered to constantly change the settings, so I just leave it set 4x3 letterbox all the time. I really and truly love seeing those crazy black bars framing my movie. I know I sound like the total opposite of "Joe-six-pack" who loves his full screen movies and hates the black bars, but I really would rather watch movies on my widecreen TV showing some sort of black bars at the top and bottom. I don't even care if the bars are larger than the picture, or how large the bars are, it just makes me feel better knowing I am for sure watching the movie the way I am supposed to, in widescreen. Part of this could be that I watch full screen in stretched mode (which I don't notice the stretching anymore)- the mode where absolutly nothing is cut off of the screen. If I don't see the bars, I kinda think I may be watching the movie in full screen by accident. I also would rather have subtitles always appear in the bottom black box.

So anyone else actually prefer seeing black bars framing the widescreen picture, even on a widescreen TV?
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On a 16x9 image on a 16x9 television the overscan may actually be cropping a bit of the picture. Anything wider than this though and you are fine, save for some info on the edges that may be lost.

But i do agree that the "letterbox" effect makes films look nice--it acts as a frame for the picture, and hence emphasizes the composition. But I would much rather prefer a full(er)-screen image on a widescreen television.

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It isn't so much a question of bars or no bars. It's more a question of quality. Personally, I also prefer the black bars because it allows you to see everything that was originally captured on film. If a movie was shot in 2.38 : 1 or in 2.78 :1, then that's how I want to see it. Having it fill a 16 x 9 screen sacrifices video information, and I'd rather not do that. If a film is shot in 16 x 9, then cool. Otherwise, give me the bars.

But without an anamorphic transfer, trying to watch it on a widescreen monitor is going to distort the picture terribly. It'll be like watching it through a carnival mirror. That's the issue.
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I don't even care if the bars are larger than the picture, or how large the bars are, it just makes me feel better knowing I am for sure watching the movie the way I am supposed to, in widescreen.


You.Are.Insane.


I'm not "Joe-six-pack"..but I do like seeing the picture as large and as clear as I can, while still seeing objects in the dimensions as intended (round objects being round, not egg shaped). That means I don't 'stretch' a 4x3 picture to fill the screen, or zoom it to fill the horizontal at the expense of the vertical.
Play with the settings on your screen and your dvd player..maybe even the cable box. I know the settings on my player in combination with the widescreen telly produce different results than just using the settings on either alone. I live in a pal reg 4 area, but get many disks from NTSC reg 1. While my player and telly will play the NTCS disks automatically, if I turn the dvd player off and move the switch at the back to NTSC instead of PAL , I get a picture with no jumping or twitching...but it changes the image size slightly. Cycling thru the TV options of 4:3, 16:9, Cinema, Subtitle, Zoom, or Auto usually fixes it

Really, if you love your image being boxed by black bars..then get some black perspex and make a nice frame and glue it to the front of your TV.
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Is the original post in this thread a joke? I can't tell.
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No, I think he's serious. And I agree (yes, believe it or not I'm agreeing with marioxb) that I like the mattes as well. However, as stupid as this sounds, they look better in anamorphic since they're not sharing resolution lines. But I wouldn't want to watch a non-anamorphic disc on a widescreen TV, because I'm not fond of vertical mattes. I'll just take the horizontals.

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Originally posted by: marioxb
So it really doesn't bother me EVER about non-animorphic. Ever since I first discovered the joy of widescreen, (probably with the VHS Star Wars Trilogy- the one with the holofoil cover and From SW to Jedi tape) I always tried to track down the widescreen version of movies. Which, having never owned an LD player and never owning DVD until The Matrix was released, was pretty difficult. Eventually the black bars grew on me until I really didn't notice them. Many years later, I got a widescreen TV and now I can't watch movies without seeing the bars there. It just feels more "cinematic" to me with the black bars. I tried setting my DVD to 16x9 every once in a while, but I just hate it. It feels like I am missing something. And I swear on 1:85:1 movies, a little itty bit of the top and bottom is missing. I noticed this with Resident Evil. I can't be bothered to constantly change the settings, so I just leave it set 4x3 letterbox all the time. I really and truly love seeing those crazy black bars framing my movie. I know I sound like the total opposite of "Joe-six-pack" who loves his full screen movies and hates the black bars, but I really would rather watch movies on my widecreen TV showing some sort of black bars at the top and bottom. I don't even care if the bars are larger than the picture, or how large the bars are, it just makes me feel better knowing I am for sure watching the movie the way I am supposed to, in widescreen. Part of this could be that I watch full screen in stretched mode (which I don't notice the stretching anymore)- the mode where absolutly nothing is cut off of the screen. If I don't see the bars, I kinda think I may be watching the movie in full screen by accident. I also would rather have subtitles always appear in the bottom black box.

So anyone else actually prefer seeing black bars framing the widescreen picture, even on a widescreen TV?

I'm sure that there are some 2.35:1 movies that are cropped on the sides to exactly fit into a 16:9 anamorphic frame- but they don't always do that. I have a lot of films shot in 2.35:1 that retain very slim bars at the top and bottom, yet are still anamorphic (it's just that the sides aren't cropped). I definitely prefer the slim bars, over losing information on the sides.

I'm not sure, but I think most anamorphic DVDs now retain the original aspect ratios of super-widescreen movies, rather than cropping the sides to make them 16:9, by leaving slim bars at the top and bottom. I could be wrong about that, though.

But, the non-anamorphic thing is STILL bad, because you're losing like 30% of the lines of resolution.

Are you saying that you like the bars on the sides too?


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Yeah, I don't like the vertical bars either, only the horizontal ones. For one thing, the vertical bars are this ugly gray color.
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The movie is 2.35x1. Your widescreen TV is 16x9. It will show those lovely black bars anyway, even if it's anamorphic. End of discussion? Dead thread?
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How about this? When watching a non-anamorphic DVD on a widescreen tv with the black bars on all sides, does this mean you are NOT losing any picture due to the overscan of the tv?
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
How about this? When watching a non-anamorphic DVD on a widescreen tv with the black bars on all sides, does this mean you are NOT losing any picture due to the overscan of the tv?
Yeah, you're not losing any of the picture information- just 1/3 of the resolution. I think what marioxb was saying is that s/he LIKES the bars on all sides- even if the picture is anamorphic, so s/he leaves the widescreen TV in 4:3 letterbox mode.
Originally posted by: ricarleite
The movie is 2.35x1. Your widescreen TV is 16x9. It will show those lovely black bars anyway, even if it's anamorphic. End of discussion? Dead thread?
That's only if the DVD retains the original aspect ratio, and the film isn't cropped on the left and right to make it exactly 16:9.

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Originally posted by: JediFlyer06
But without an anamorphic transfer, trying to watch it on a widescreen monitor is going to distort the picture terribly. It'll be like watching it through a carnival mirror. That's the issue. ???
Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
When watching a non-anamorphic DVD on a widescreen tv with the black bars on all sides, does this mean you are NOT losing any picture due to the overscan of the tv?
Originally posted by: mielr
Yeah, you're not losing any of the picture information- just 1/3 of the resolution.
Actually, you're not losing any resolution in these circumstances.
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Originally posted by: THX
Actually, you're not losing any resolution in these circumstances.

Well, if s/he leaves it in the middle of the screen, I guess not.

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I'm a guy. And I do keep the picture in the middle of the screen.
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"But without an anamorphic transfer, trying to watch it on a widescreen monitor is going to distort the picture terribly. It'll be like watching it through a carnival mirror. That's the issue.

???"


Methinks he's referring to the "stretch-mode" that many TVs have to make a 4x3 picture fit a 16x9 screen. There are many ways to do this, each with their own limitations.

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On my DVD's when I use the theater setting to make the bars smaller I don't loose any picture. So I haven o idea what your on about lol. Then I'm like you to try and watch Ben Hur on a 4:3 display. That would be terrible.
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
On my DVD's when I use the theater setting to make the bars smaller I don't loose any picture. So I haven o idea what your on about lol. Then I'm like you to try and watch Ben Hur on a 4:3 display. That would be terrible.
I think what marioxb is saying is that he doesn't like to fill the 16:9 screen with the image- he prefers to leave it in 4:3 letterbox mode, so that there are bars on all 4 sides of the image- like a frame.

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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Darth Richard
On my DVD's when I use the theater setting to make the bars smaller I don't loose any picture. So I haven o idea what your on about lol. Then I'm like you to try and watch Ben Hur on a 4:3 display. That would be terrible.
I think what marioxb is saying is that he doesn't like to fill the 16:9 screen with the image- he prefers to leave it in 4:3 letterbox mode, so that there are bars on all 4 sides of the image- like a frame.


I know but I was jsut saying. Would you like to watch somthing with such a wide aspect ration in 4:3 frame?
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Sounds like you just need a good old fashion 4:3 television. I have one I'll trade even with ya

If you are loosing a noticeable amount of picture by watching your television in 16:9 mode, you must be in a partial zoom 16:9 mode. 16:9 equals 1.77:1. Movies presented in a ratio higher than that will still have black bars above and below the picture on an anamorphic widescreen setup. It is simple geometry.
My projector is permanently set as anamorphic. Material presented at 1.77:1 fills the screen. Above that, black bars top and bottom. Below that black bars right and left. Always the full, entire picture. Non anamorphic DVD's are essentially 4:3 (1.33:1). That means black bars right and left. Problem is, the 4:3 picture is letterboxed so there are black boxes all around (window boxed). That's a whole lot of nothing!!
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But I'm not talking about 4x3 movies (sorta). I'm talking about letterboxed (or animorphic) movies. I just like seeing the bars there on the top and bottom (not on the sides). Seeing the bars just makes me happy and reminds me that I'm watching in widescreen. As far as watching things that are not in any type of widescreen ratio (such as old movies and most TV shows- well more for me than for some since I never splurged on a HDTV box for my HDTV- isn't that silly that you have to buy a dumb box to watch in HDTV on an HDTV? Seems like buying a blender- only it doesn't actually blend unless you buy the blending attachment.) Anyway, which is pretty much pointless for me anyway- since for the most part TV, unlike movies is "throwaway" and I really could care less how it's presented. If I really want to watch the TV show proper, I'll buy the DVD box sets.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
But I'm not talking about 4x3 movies (sorta). I'm talking about letterboxed (or animorphic) movies. I just like seeing the bars there on the top and bottom (not on the sides). Seeing the bars just makes me happy and reminds me that I'm watching in widescreen.


When you eventually get a widescreen television, which you will once they become standard and your old set dies, you'll change your tune on that.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
I'm a guy. And I do keep the picture in the middle of the screen.


So why did you buy a widescreen in the first place?
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Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
Originally posted by: marioxb
But I'm not talking about 4x3 movies (sorta). I'm talking about letterboxed (or animorphic) movies. I just like seeing the bars there on the top and bottom (not on the sides). Seeing the bars just makes me happy and reminds me that I'm watching in widescreen.


When you eventually get a widescreen television, which you will once they become standard and your old set dies, you'll change your tune on that.

He does have a widescreen TV. LOL

marioxb- you have me totally confused now. I thought you said you liked watching the movies in the middle of the screen? What you're saying now is that you don't like it when movies are exactly 16:9 because then there are no bars at the top and bottom?

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Originally posted by: Skyranger
I want a 2.35:1 TV!

Then all of your 16:9 movies would have the tops and bottoms chopped off (or bars on the sides). With either a 16:9 TV or a 2.35:1 TV (do they make those?) you will have to deal with bars at some point.