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OK, maybe I don't love him, but I think he's ok, and yeah, I grew up on the original trilogy and I love them, but I also don't mind the altered versions (except some dodgy CGI, but I can deal). Look, you've all got the originals, either on VHS, Laserdisc, or a rip, so just put up or shut up. It's a bit sad to be honest. I'm a geek, I admit, but you guys take the biscuit. I've been a member here for about a week, and I have slammed the new versions like the rest of you, but now I stop and think about it, who the hell cares? You guys are very passionate about this. Maybe Lucas is equally passionate about doing what he wants to do and moulding Star Wars into a 6 part saga that works. Da Vinci worked on the Mona Lisa for years, making hundreds of alterations - get over it.

Let the attacks begin.

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That thing you just said, and that avatar icon of yours... are giving me the creeps... I'm starting to remember of someone... whose name shall not be pronounced...
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He has every right in the world to make alterations. As we've all said hundreds of times now. But we just want an official release of the original versions of the films on DVD. You are wrong about one thing. You said, "Look, you've all got the originals, either on VHS, Laserdisc, or a rip, so just put up or shut up." This is not correct. Not everyone has the originals on DVD. Not everyone has access. People on this site may have them, yes. But what about those people with little to no Web savvy? What about them, huh? How are they supposed to get them? I've got friends who are not Web users and don't plan to be but they still want the originals. I'm trying to help, but I can't get to everyone in the world who doesn't want the new version but cannot get to the originals on DVD. How would I identify them?

You're the one challenging us to put up or shut up. So why don't you help resolve the problem and come up with a comprehensive plan for distributing the OT on DVD to those throughout the world who want it. You can't, can you? That's why we need LFL. They can.
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Bossk, I agree with everything you say, and I agree that both versions of the film should be made available to the public, and petitioning LFL is a good start, but is sitting around here cussing and bitching about the changes gonna help. If George Lucas was reading this site (which he, or at least someone at Lucasfilm may well be doing), we all come across as a bunch of moany geeks with nothing better to do than bitch. If I was George, I would say 'yeah, maybe these guys have a point, but fcuk 'em.

It is fun to vent about the changes, I admit, but don't you think some people are overeacting? You have to admit that when all the prequels are finished and watched along with the new versions of the OT as a 6 part saga, it will be a pretty sweet viewing experience, telling the story of Vader's rise and fall, and it will all slot in nicely. I used to be dead against it but I'm mellowing to the idea. It would be nice to get the unaltered OT out to the public though, yes.

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We started out the site being very positive and even going so far as to, on occasion, flatter GL. When the DVDs were announced over a year ago as being ones with changes and whatnot, we all said screw it. We know GL or people at LFL have read the site as someone with an e-mail domain of lfl.com or whatever actually signed the petition and Jay received word that the site was being monitored by LFL people. However, considering this site has been around for nearly two years, we've received coverage in the mass media several times, and have God-only-knows how many signatures and yet nothing has happened, we don't know whether or not to believe it actually ever will. So it's become a bit of a no-holds-barred situation.

Yes, some people have become extreme about it. I admit. But what can you do? This is a public forum.

As for it being a sweet viewing experience, I'm not going to give it that chance. And that's my choice. I don't own either of the two PT DVDs nor do I own the official OT DVDs. I have considered buying AOTC every now and again, but I rationalize against it by saying what good would it do because I don't want TPM. All I want are the originals on DVD and that's all I plan to watch. I've got my burns, but, like I said, how do other people get them?
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I would get TMP on DVD so that I'd have all of them in the same format...

But last I saw, the TMP DVD is 23 bucks!!! I think I'll just stick with Ballance. *shakes head*

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How are they supposed to get them? I've got friends who are not Web users and don't plan to be but they still want the originals.


Until Lucas dies and his kids inherit the empire from him and release the unmolested OT in HD-DataCrystal or whatver format is all the rage in 20 years, we should do our best to institute the "Pay it forward" system. That is, receive a copy, pass it on threefold. As schmaltzy as that movie (Pay It Forward) was, it's a GREAT system for distributing stuff like this. The more ubiquitous DVD recorders become (not writers, standalone recorders) the easier it will be for the less-computer-savvy to adopt the technology and join the revolution.

I hope with all the copies of BOTF that I've given away that they'll all get paid forward.
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"Bitching and complaining" is the last thing I'd use to describe these boards.

That's far from the truth. Take a gander into the "OT Preservation" thread.
Since LFL won't help us, we're taking upon ourselves to preserve the O-OT as best we can. Lot's of people are putting in a LOT of hard work, as well as money.
Even those who don't have groundbreaking DVD technology have done other things such as distributing these discs to those who want them, and even designing many DVD covers for these rips.
I, myself have made quite a few DVD covers and I am only equipped with Microsoft Paint.

Granted, there a few unconstructive citizens of OT.com that just troll around posting negatory remarks. (such as yourself, perhaps)

You can think of us how you wish, but don't let it be because we're "whiners".

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Don't forget, even a whiner can save the galaxy. Luke's my hero.
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"Bitching and complaining" is the last thing I'd use to describe these boards.

That's far from the truth. Take a gander into the "OT Preservation" thread.
Since LFL won't help us, we're taking upon ourselves to preserve the O-OT as best we can. Lot's of people are putting in a LOT of hard work, as well as money.
Even those who don't have groundbreaking DVD technology have done other things such as distributing these discs to those who want them, and even designing many DVD covers for these rips.
I, myself have made quite a few DVD covers and I am only equipped with Microsoft Paint.

Granted, there a few unconstructive citizens of OT.com that just troll around posting negatory remarks. (such as yourself, perhaps)

You can think of us how you wish, but don't let it be because we're "whiners".


Point taken, and I apologise for offending you. Actually, I'm working on some DVD covers for the prequels and OT using Drew Struzan artwork. I think he's one of the best movie poster artists there ever was.

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Care to provide us with some of his artwork to peruse? I'm intrigued.
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Trust me, you have already seen Struzan's work whether you're aware of it or not, and seeing as his artwork for star wars has been used officially in the past, I can't understand why it wasn't used for the DVDs.

http://home.scarlet.be/~bliek/s-posters.htm

http://www.drewstruzan.com/portfolio/

These are my currents problems/queries with my Struzan DVD covers:

Should I use the Star wars Episode I style title for all 6 movies (I'm assuming that Drew will do an Ep3 poster, if not I'm screwed) or stick with Drew's original title art for the OT (which calls the first film Strat Wars, not Ep4 A New Hope). This would mean an inconsistency between the 6 covers, but maybe a definition between the PT and OT is acceptable. Any suggestions?

Finding high res versions of the images is quite hard. I have the original posters, but I don't have an A1 flatbed scanner so I have to find a way around that one.

If I could get hold of scans of Drew's original artwork without any of the text, that would rock.

I'm thinking of sticking with the spine's from the current DVDs - I personally don't have a problem with them - does anyone have any objections for me to consider?

This really should be in the preservation thread....

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That's a great idea. I'd say go with the Prequel style titles, for continuity and accuracy, as Episode 4 is NOT called "Star Wars".

And if you're able, could you consider changing Luke's saber from blue to green on the RotJ poster? What about removing the blaster at his side? Those two things have always really annoyed me.
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I like Drew's comment on the Blade Runner page...

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I say it depends what your going for as far as your cover set. If your just looking to have a Drew Struzan set of dvd covers for all 6 then i dont think the inconsistancy is that big of a deal, besides, thats what the movie was called at the time it was released, and thats the poster he made for it. So i would say just use his art work the way it is and hope that he makes an episode III poster.

The other option is if you can find just the images with no text like Commander Courage said, then you can put the text on so its consistant. Though if your having trouble finding high res versions of the posters this might be tough. I did notice that there is the episode I poster with no text on his website, but unfortunatly i couldnt find any of the other star wars posters on his site and i dont know if that is high enough resolution.

I think someone here had some high res images and some of the posters without text. You could use the Special Edition posters as well for the OT that would keep the naming consitant with the PT if you want that and its still his artwork...i would just at minimum remove the Special Edition from the top of the poster.

Me personally, Im still trying to decide what images I want to use when I finalize my cases for the OT. I like the set i currently have, some of the classic SW pictures for each movie, but there is so much good artwork (i like the faces set as well, and that seems appropriate as its the laserdisc source for most of the projects) and my current plan is to put all versions i have (TR47, DrGonzo, and the new releases) in one 4 pack case thats only slightly bigger than a normal case. that of course is presuming i only end up with 4 versions which is quickly starting to look like it wont be the case.

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Yeah, I was definitely gonna remove the Special Edition text, and the release date text too. And yeah, having another look at the ROTJ poster, I think Luke's blaster can go because it does seem to just be stuck there doesn't it?, but I don't want to mess with Drew's Art anymore really. I'm pretty confident he'll do an Ep3 poster. I'm gonna get seriously searching for some high res images without any text. I can photoshop the text out, but textless images would give me a lot more freedom in positioning the movie titles etc.

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Sessler, You rock!

Can anybody help with the Prequel Art? I know this is OT.com, but I'm aiming to make a 6 disc set of all the movies.

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Have you checked out the Definitive Collection DVD Covers thread in the preservation section?
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Agreed.
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just getting back to the earlier discussion
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You have to admit that when all the prequels are finished and watched along with the new versions of the OT as a 6 part saga, it will be a pretty sweet viewing experience, telling the story of Vader's rise and fall, and it will all slot in nicely


when watching all six films in sequence, it'll have a crap start, pick up by episode 3 (fingers crossed)have an amazing middle section and then fizzle out to a dissapointing finale.
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Thanks Sessler. It looks like you are the man to come to for high res images, which brings me to my next request...
(sorry to keep bugging you - this will be the last thing I ask for - but you are extremely helpful and I am very very grateful).

Do you have high res versions of Spidernap's OT covers? I'm having trouble attaching pictures so here's a link to his original post, in case you don't know what I'm talking about:

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=741&STARTPAGE=32

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They're on a disc somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
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