So lets say that the GOUT is released in perfect anamorphic, unmolested, non-raping your childhoods, blu-ray perfection, OK? Its sitting on your shelf and you like to curl up with it when you go to bed each night. OK? You are happy.
Then George releases a new 6 disk set that does have changes to the OT. Are there any that you would like? These can be both already existing and theoritical. Thoughts?
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Are you talking about six discs = 3 discs of the OT and 3 bonus discs or 6 discs = 1 for each movie including the prequels?
I'd be hesitant to buy the box set unless it has great bonus features. I already have the movies on DVD. Unless the quality is 'knock your socks off', I wouldn't want to spend more.
OK six movies and howmany ever special features disks.
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I would not object to some effects clean up and fixes (e.g. garbage mattes, lightsabres, etc.)
Also, I would be OK with certain non-distracting changes such as the detention block corridor and the tractor beam font.
(Using the DVD version of 'Raiders' as an example, only a tiny minority of people complained about the digital removal of the snake reflection, boulder track, blue-screen fringes and so on.)
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Moth3r said:(Using the DVD version of 'Raiders' as an example, only a tiny minority of people complained about the digital removal of the snake reflection, boulder track, blue-screen fringes and so on.)
People complained about the snake reflection removal? Seriously? :::: Goes outside and waits for his people to come back to Earth and get him ::::
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AxiaEuxine said:So lets say that the GOUT is released in perfect anamorphic, unmolested, non-raping your childhoods, blu-ray perfection, OK? Its sitting on your shelf and you like to curl up with it when you go to bed each night. OK? You are happy.
Then George releases a new 6 disk set that does have changes to the OT. Are there any that you would like? These can be both already existing and theoritical. Thoughts?
Not interested in any changes. I'm there for the film's story, in the form it's always been in - in the form I've been viewing it in for 32 years. Any change I notice, whether it's an SE change or a good change, takes me out of the journey. That's the reason there's probably only one more Star Wars purchase in my lifetime (anamorphic original).
It's also one of the reasons I'm not on here raging against Lucas all the time. I only care about what I want - the original theatrical release of Star Wars. I have absolutely zero interest in the prequels, the Clone cartoons, or the SEs - so, I don't give a fuck if there are fifty versions of each.
I already have a DVD of Star Wars that I enjoy watching. If it has to last me forever, that's fine. If an anamorphic version becomes available, I'll buy it. However, shit-mouthing Lucas isn't going to make one magically show up at my house or become available at the Target near my home.
Besides, I prefer the NPR version anyway.
*obligatory tip of the cap to C3PX*
There was a time when I would have been up for a SE with reasonable 'fixes' (garbage mattes, etc) but now I don't really care - anamorphic digitally restored theatrical versions of the OT are the only disc I would buy. That's not because I 'hate' Lucas or anything like that, it's just because over the years I have become tired and weary and don't care anymore. As Anchorhead said, the original movies (or, in his case, movie, singular) are all I want, warts and all, because the warts are all part of it - it's a film that was made in 1977.
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AxiaEuxine said:Moth3r said:(Using the DVD version of 'Raiders' as an example, only a tiny minority of people complained about the digital removal of the snake reflection, boulder track, blue-screen fringes and so on.)
People complained about the snake reflection removal? Seriously? :::: Goes outside and waits for his people to come back to Earth and get him ::::
Yep, I did. And still do, as a matter of fact.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
If George indeed released the OOT on Blu-ray, cleaned up correctly with loving restoration, and then released a six film boxed set where the OT was the SE... Hell yes I'd buy it.
The SE is a fun alternate version. My only problems with it were when it was going to replace the OOT. Consumers should have the right to enjoy the version they prefer in the highest quality possible. For any film, not just Star Wars. As far as I'm concerned, if a director signs off on the theatrical cut, that's a finished film. If it's not finished... don't release it!
Alternate or special edition versions are fun and most of the time, I prefer them to the theatrical (See Superman, Terminator 2), but I think it's important to provide fans of the original cuts with the option of enjoying the version they prefer.
The Blade Runner final cut disc from last year is the definition of what to give the fans. It has ALL 5 cuts of the film, and although I am not a fan of the film, I can only sing Scott's praises for doing what George should with SW.
I can live with 80% of the SE additions. I even like the PT (overall). But not releasing the OOT in respectable condition? That's unacceptable.
Whoops, I never answered the original question. If I had the original versions in good quality, I would never plunk down money for any new-fangled version, nor would I support any other change whatsoever. I already own more copies of this trilogy than any other movie ever. I haven't watched the '97 version in over four years, and I haven't watched the '04 version in over two years, so any other future alterations will be completely ignored by me. Well, that's not entirely true. They'll be ignored by my wallet. It doesn't mean I won't bitch about them. ^_~
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
DocLathropBrown said:The Blade Runner final cut disc from last year is the definition of what to give the fans. It has ALL 5 cuts of the film, and although I am not a fan of the film, I can only sing Scott's praises for doing what George should with SW.
I agree. The Blade Runner release seems like it would be the yardstick for all video releases - all possible versions for all possible fans. I don't understand George's continual manhandling of his Star Wars fan base. Instead of fighting your fan base, doesn't it make much better business sense to appeal to all possible revenue streams?
Blade Runner has a niche audience and Warner still went to the trouble. The profit would be considerably higher with a film as broad-reaching as Star wars. Never mind some sort of uber-saga-gargantuaset, just go with a common theme style of packaging of multi-versions for each of the 6 films. Leave no potential sale unavailable. The technology of today makes that approach easier than ever before. You want as much money as possible? - Give everyone what they want.
Gaffer Tape said:If I had the original versions in good quality, I would never plunk down money for any new-fangled version, nor would I support any other change whatsoever. I already own more copies of this trilogy than any other movie ever.
Might as well quote Gaffer for my answer, as I couldn't possibly have said it any better myself.
However, if we got all three movies released in Blade Runner like sets packed with extras and featuring all three major versions of each film, I might consider it, but at this point, I'd probably even give that the pass and be contented with the barebones version and a little extra money in my pocket.
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There was always lots of little things I wanted to see done in an alternate version of Jedi, but I don't really care now. A multi-billionaire playing around with his old movies with his digital toys from 1997 to 2017 or whatever while I pay for it each time makes me feel like a real dumbshit who just fell off the turnip truck. Yet I'll still buy anything that contains the originals. apart from that, eh.
I'd buy a mega-set like the Blade Runner, even if they release a bare-bones full anamorphic 1080i or 1080p or whatever) bluray first.
The problem Lucasfilm has is that they don't have any faith in their movies. The classic trilogy will always keep a core fan-base and will always continue to gain new fans. LFL should trust in the movies and the fanbase, stop dorking around with endless changes to get it 'right' and just release the damn movies the way they deserve. They should follow Disney's example. Release a perfect, restored box set and put it back in the vault for a dozen years. That will allow enough time for a new generation of fans to get into the movies and buy the set when it is released again.
LFL needs to realize that people like Star Wars. Give those people what they want.
It reminds me of Pizza Hut in a way. They keep messing with pizza, adding cheese inside the crust, suggesting people eat it backwards, etc. It is pizza. People like it so stop screwing with it. If LFL keeps screwing with Star Wars, people aren't gonna like it anymore.
The OOT on blu-ray isn't enough. We need for it to look like it will be put out on whatever format comes out after blu-ray and the one after that, etc.
Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem, no.
Here's how I would prefer the hypothetical blu-ray release to go down though:
TPM:
-both the original 1999 cut and the final 20xx version branched onto the same disc. I don't really care if the '01 version isn't included, it should've been the finished version anyway.
AOTC:
-the same cut that's on the dvd and, if Lucas so desires, a finalized 20xx version branched onto the same disc (although I can't imagine what he'd want to do with it that he couldn't with 2002 technology).
ROTS:
-same situation as AOTC.
ANH:
-disc 1: the finalized 20xx version.
-disc 2: the '97 version, mastered from the '97 IP.
-disc 3: the '77 and '81 versions, mastered from the 77/81 IP's, seamlessly branched onto the same disc with all of the 35mm sound mixes.
ESB:
-discs 1 and 2: same as ANH
-disc 3: the 1980 version, mastered from the 1980 IP, with all 35mm sound mixes
ROTJ:
-discs 1 and 2: same as ANH and ESB
-disc 3: 1983 version, mastered from the 1983 IP, with all 35mm sound mixes
I wouldn't care about losing the '04 version of the OT since, as with TPM, the dvd should've been the finalized finished version anyway.
AxiaEuxine said:So lets say that the GOUT is released in perfect anamorphic, unmolested, non-raping your childhoods, blu-ray perfection, OK? Its sitting on your shelf and you like to curl up with it when you go to bed each night. OK? You are happy.
Yup. Happy.
Then George releases a new 6 disk set that does have changes to the OT. Are there any that you would like? These can be both already existing and theoritical. Thoughts?
Don't care. Wouldn't buy it.
I really wouldn't care about some new 2xxx version of the OT. As long as the original versions are preserved along with the 1997 SEs I would be happy. The 2004 versions should be obliterated from mankind, and everyone stuck with them should be awarded damages. A Star Wars Blade Runner style briefcase blu-ray would be beyond my wildest dreams. I'm not sure that I'd be quite happy with a blu-ray of the GOUT though. There should be a massive undertaking to restore the trilogy by actual experts like Robert A. Harris. Something as culturally siginificant as Star Wars should not be allowed to fade into distant memory.Then the masterstroke would be to theatrically rerelease the fully restored original versions of the Star Wars Trilogy.
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I think I should clarify my previous post (sorry, I just had to get my umpteenth blu-ray idea out of my system):
I'm not big on the idea of the OOT being sold on its own as one release and the PT+SE being sold as another. I would rather see the initial blu-ray release have each of the six movies available individually with the specifications I listed above and the option to get all six together in a twelve-disc set. Later on, they can release a simplified set with only the final 2012 version of the saga, but I would want the movies to get the archival treatment first for those who really want them. I guess what I'm also trying to say is that Lucas wouldn't in a million years put out a remastered OOT-only set. This truly is a hypothetical situation. It would either be packaged with the revised version or not included at all.
But, man, it would be amazing if that was the case. If the OOT was actually released as an entity unto itself, totally separate from the new OT and PT and given retro-style packaging that would just be frickin' sweet!
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
I know. In other words we're wishing for something that EVERY other big movie is doing anyway! How the hell did it come to this?
All I'm trying to say is that when the time comes for Lucas to finally remaster the OOT (and hopefully it'll eventually happen), I don't think he'll give us any other option than to buy it packaged as a second disc to the 20xx version on the first disc. I guess I'm just revising the question for myself, carry on.
You know that Lucas will eventually release the OOT. You all know that right? You all think he is a whore anyway so of course he'll release a version that will make him more money. I mean thats what a whore would do right?
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I think whore is a strong word. Maybe a business man with a product to sell would be more appropriate. I don't agree with his business plan, but I don't think he is a whore.
AxiaEuxine said:You know that Lucas will eventually release the OOT. You all know that right?
I don't. Take a look at this quote from Lucas on the SE:
"There will only be one. And it won't be what I would call the 'rough cut,' it'll be the 'final cut.' The other one will be some sort of interesting artifact that people will look at and say, 'There was an earlier draft of this.' The same thing happens with plays and earlier drafts of books. In essence, films never get finished, they get abandoned. At some point, you're dragged off the picture kicking and screaming while somebody says, 'Okay, it's done.' That isn't really the way it should work. Occasionally, [you can] go back and get your cut of the video out there, which I did on both American Graffiti and THX-1138; that's the place where it will live forever. So what ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that's what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version, and you'll be able to project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality. I think it's the director's prerogative, not the studio's to go back and reinvent a movie." (When he says "dvd version", he means of the SE)
If that's his view, I don't think he'll want the OOT to be around on blu-ray and future formats. Particularly considering he'll have to put in money and effort to restore them for that. I think it's clear that he wants the movies so many of us love to be gone and gone for good.
Of course, I consider that quote to be a gloating declaration of war on the fans.
