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Ideas Wanted: How would you alter Star Trek 10? [Possible 56k warning // Images]

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There’s been talk of this before but I’ve been thinking over the past few days about whether the movie could be cut into something more enjoyable. I don’t think I have enough ideas to make it worthwhile yet but I figured that if there’s enough good ideas between us then it might be viable as a fan edit.

one of the things I hate most happens right away, The main titles - with backward lettering. That of course is an easy fix. I’ve been toying with some ideas but I don’t have access to the fonts I want…

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Does ANYONE have any of these, or similar fonts? I’ve only had a quick browse around but every website just has the same 5 or so useless ST fonts.

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Anyhow, here is a quick test i did using fonts i DO have on hand [WIP] - i TRIED doing titles in the really curvy font from the NEMESIS promo stuff but it looked horrible. I would like to try have something like the animated bird of prey logo but i really don’t know at this point. I just want to get the ball rolling so others will jump in.

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One other thing I noticed is that the colours of the film seem really saturated, this looks fine in some places but elsewhere things look a bit odd. I played around a little with tinting and desaturating. Not to make things more correct, just to make it easier on the etes mostly. A cool side effect of this is that the green colours are toned down a bit later on, which i like. - oh and it takes some edge off the overly bleached yellow kolarus [sp?] segment [argo rally et al]

things actually look kind of good in the trailer -

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I purposely darkened these shots, which doesn’t really make sense, if it’s dark then why aren’t the lights on? - But I like the look of it. Movie shots then my tweaked versions. these are only WIP based on a quick idea.

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The romulans in this scene look almost a sickly shade of green. I’ve tried to eliminate that a little. I also hated to visual effects of the characters ‘turning to stone’ so I’ve hidden that a little. Of course these ideas don’t mean much if the movie still sucks, Just an idea.

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The wedding reception is not so bad, except that everythingthing seems a bit ‘orange’. At leasst to my eyes.

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Hmm, what to do about Wesley? - remove him / change his outfit / ignore it?

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And while on that note, what’s the go with Geordi? I thought his eyes were healed back in the Briar patch? Why is he back to implants?

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the colours here do look a tad washed out - Makes it look like it was overcast at the reception, I’m sure I could arrive at a decent middle ground though.

I was trying to decide what could be done with the remans, from totally removing them [impractical] to making them NOT look like “Space Vampires”. One thing is certain, I don’t like the yellow eyes. Contact lenses lose the novelty when most of the cast is wearing them i guess.

So I had an idea, I dunno if it will fly, what do people reckon of [if possible] making the Viceroy [at least] Blind?..relying on his telepathic abilities to see.

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Hit me with your ideas guys, No matter how crazy. I haven’t even started on [what i hate about] the plot yet…Have a whinge/rant if you like but I’d prefer constructive ideas.

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THE FIRST BATCH OF PICS LOOK GREAT DARKENED. THE WEDDING RECEPTION NEEDS A MIDDLE GROUND. YOU DON'T WANT THE COLORS TO BE TOO WASHED OUT. IT IS A WEDDING RECEPTION AFTER ALL. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE VICEROY BEING BLIND WITH THE SKIN COVERING HIS EYE SOCKETS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS SPECIES THOUGH.


NOW, THE REAL QUESTION. WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE YOUR CLONE WARS EDIT?

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-WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE YOUR CLONE WARS EDIT?
-It's still happening.

I just had some ideas and thougth i'd set this up here for an exchange of ideas.

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I am not really sure what you could do with the film. It has been a long time since I have seen it. I'm not so sure about the darkening, those shots really look washed out, it looks like The Lord of the Rings. I for one have never found the coloring of that film a problem in the slightest.

As for making the Viceroy blind, it is an interesting idea, but where are you going to go with it? If it is merely for aesthetic reasons with no in film explaination I am not sure if it will really improve anything. I think this is something many fan films aim for which causes them to ultimately fail.

I think the focus should be on tighening up the story. Kind of dumb I write all of this and yet offer nothing. Like I said I have not seen the film for a while, so I can't give any really good suggestions for changes.

I think the removal of the E-2 (that was his name right?) would be a good place to start. It just didn't fit. We already met Data's brother before in the TV series and it was done much better back then. I think it was pretty lame they found another one of Data's brothers without so much as a mention of Lore. That whole plot line ought to be removed starting with the stupid dune buggy scene.

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Johnny Ringo said:


And while on that note, what's the go with Geordi? I thought his eyes were healed back in the Briar patch? Why is he back to implants?


I watched Insurrection the other day and when Geordi is watching the sunset he says that Dr Crusher didn't know if the effect would last, so he may have needed to go back to implants, I would have preferred it if his eyes had stayed healed, but that is the least of the problems with Nemesis.

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I think the removal of the E-2 (that was his name right?) would be a good place to start. It just didn't fit. We already met Data's brother before in the TV series and it was done much better back then. I think it was pretty lame they found another one of Data's brothers without so much as a mention of Lore. That whole plot line ought to be removed starting with the stupid dune buggy scene.


I agree that B-4 was a huge problem but he is surprisingly important to the plot, I'd love to see him go but I'm not sure if it would be possible, he is the reason they end up in Romulan space and the reason Data was able to rescue Picard, but I really wish Data actually died at the end the whole Memory transfer thing was such crap.

One thing that would instantly improve this film (for me anyway) is to reinstate some of the extended ending scenes
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I think that the problem I had with this film, that I'm not sure can be fixed with an edit, goes beyond the vampire-looking Remans or B-4. To me, this film is effectively a re-make of Wrath of Khan with TNG cast. I wish there was a way that it could have a unique plot. The final battle was mostly a redo of the final battle in ST2. I think that some of this stuff should be looked at. I don't think you could eliminate the secret weapon that the Romulans had, (don't remember what it was called) but make it less "genesis device" like. I don't know if this is really possible, though.

Having said that, I think that at least getting rid of all the yellow eyes of the Reman would make them better, at least slightly less "Space Vampire" looking. Maybe grey or black? Don't know if you can do this, though.

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Just to clarify, This is a general discussion and NOT a fan edit announcement.

The thread was moved here from Off Topic but I don't know why.
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Johnny Ringo said:

Just to clarify, This is a general discussion and NOT a fan edit announcement.

The thread was moved here from Off Topic but I don't know why.


While not an announcement of an impending fan edit, it's certainly a fan edit discussion that probably will get more attention here than it would've received in the off topic section.
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Ah, B-4 was his name. Like I said, it has been a while since I have seen the film, I had forgotten how important he was to the plot. I don't know, as much as I think this film needs improving and would love to have an improved fan edit of it, I think it is kind of a lost cause.

To me it wasn't "prequel level" bad, but it does have its major problems, and unfortunately those all seem to be tightly woven to the plot. The prequels were easier to edit because there really wasn't much of a plot there. You could honestly remove the vast majority of one of the SW prequels and still keep the "plot" intact.

Star Trek 10 on the other hand, has a plot, kind of a lame and unimaginative plot, but a plot none the less. And the whole film revolves around this plot, which is what a film should do. I think the best that could be done would be to remove the little things that bug people and call it good from there. If there was a way to remove the Picard clone thing that would be kind of cool. I always cringe when Picard is looking at the picture of himself at the academy and it is a picture os Shinzon (sp?) in a SF uniform. Being a clone of Picard doesn't make him anything special really. I suppose this could be cut. It would also be cool to think of some way to make reference to Lore somehow. Not sure how, but there are seven season of TV show and three other movies worth of dialogue to rig something up with. Something along the lines of "I am not sure if this is a good idea, remember the last time we found one of data's brother." and Data rationalizing why Lore was bad and why the odds of this new one being evil are 32000000000000000000000 to 1 or something like that.

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I just wanted to say, that lots of the color correction looks great; however, I suggest you find a "middle ground" between the original and the new shots. Particularly considering your shown shots of the Romulans, which obviously looks much better; but is a little strange still, because their skin appears gray. Least, from what I can tell from the small image. Another shot is the wedding shots; still looking much-much-much better, but the skintones (particularly of Deanna Troi) seem off now.

and I just noticed you mentioned you were looking for middleground. Crap.

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yeah it was just a basic test to tone down the saturation, I didn't do this to any footage, only screen grabs - And using basically the same settings, that'd be why some shots look good while some others don't look quite right.

I might have a bit of a play on the weekend and see if i can come up with something better.

in terms of plot, anything to tone down the 'Evil twin' theme would be good. we've already had that before with both Data and Riker. I mean, when they first meet Shinzon acts sincerely but after killing off the senate members we know to be wary of him.

Shinzons betrayel of the romulans could have been an interesting idea if they'd gone somewhere with it.

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I remember seeing trailers for Nemesis and getting the impression that Shinzon was a "mirror universe" version of Picard. Anyways, aside from the plot, what I dislike about Nemesis is the music score, specifically the theme played during the Senate scene at the beginning of the movie.

This movie was supposed to be "for the fans", but there were so many little things that rub fans the wrong way. Seeing a geriatric Commander Riker marrying Troy (was she not around for his away-mission conquests of every female alien they found?) AND having to watch the elderly Riker play action hero with the Viceroy at the end was beyond belief, even in a movie about alien vampires and space ships.
Data should either have died or not died, not "died-but-lives-on-in-his-brother". I would have prefered he not die, only because I've seen ST II more than once in my life and was reminded of it too much. And wasn't Worf already made an ambassador in DS9 by this time?
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I've been thinking about this a little over the past weekend and trying to work out if it would work out well enough if the the scenes were re-ordered. what i was thinking was something along the lines of...

We see the paramount logo sequence in reverse [fade in from black] the stars fly away back up through the clouds and we pan up to see a starfield. We see [a new version of] the main titles appear followed by the main cast and crew credits. This plays out to the closing theme of the film - 'A new beginning' - which starts out with a slight rendition of "Blue skies" then proceeds with the main theme of both the films and the Next gen TV series.

I thought about also adding in some stars zooming by, sort of like the start of ST6. There's a nice sequence at the start of ST1 like this with no text onscreen that  could be reused.

At the end of the credit Sequence the camera pans down to see the ship in stardock being repaired. - reversing the final shot of the film proper.

Then we cut to Picard explaining to B4 that he wanted him to know just what sort of man he [Data] was - Then we cut so see just what sort of man he was, An action hero. Putting his neck on the line to rescue picard.

This could be done in a way to keep things a little mysterious. I was thinking that at this point the plot could move forward from the big rescue sequence to the end battle and beyond where they toast absent friends. Along the way i'd cut in 'flashbacks' to reveal things that had happened earlier as they become important to the plot - if at all.

This is just a thought in terms of restructuring, without really considering what I would add or remove, And I would remove a lot. I'd really try to cut back on a lot of the ST2 moments. Data would not "live on" in b4, He'd just be dead.

 

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Got my hands on a copy of what's labelled "the shooting script". And of course it's different to the final film. I'm gonna go thru it and see if there's anything of interest. Nothing major yet, mostly dialogue changes / omissions.

Re: data, I'd rather not see him die but his sacrifice [and journey] means little if he's simply an expendable asset.

 

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Okay guys, What do you like most about the movie? It can be anything. - Otherwise, What do you despise the least?

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I despise the space battle at the end the least.  It's the only reason I watch the movie.  To see the Enterprise-E firing every possible weapon trying to find the cloaked Scimitar is one of my favorite images of all the movies.  I still giggle when they get the report on the bridge that they are out of torpedoes.

Then they ruin the whole scene by ramming the Scimitar and ruin that by having Data jump from one ship to the other.  Then they ruin... well, you get the picture.

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Oh!  As for Geordi's implants, the Briar patch effect was temporary were you to leave.  They said so in the movie, if I'm not mistaken.

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Bumping a fairly old thread here, but has anyone ever put together an edit of Nemesis?

I found a YouTube trailer for "Nemesis Revisited" a supposed upcoming fan edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCdAs0RKpVA

I can find no other evidence that such an edit exists or is in progress anywhere.

I'm rewatching Nemesis now for the first time since my original viewing years ago.  My impression is currently that if all references to B-4 and Data's death were removed (and some shaving of exposition), this movie could be better.

I don't hate the look/feel of the movie.  It's different, and that makes it stand out from the other films.  I don't see the similarities to Wrath of Khan everyone purports to be present, but that doesn't bother either me because WoK is awesome (even if this isn't).

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I may do something at some point. I did go looking to see if anyone else had done so, saw some things in progress, Mostly to do with the space battle stuff - which IMO needs meddling the least.

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Doctor M said:

Bumping a fairly old thread here, but has anyone ever put together an edit of Nemesis?

I found a YouTube trailer for "Nemesis Revisited" a supposed upcoming fan edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCdAs0RKpVA

I can find no other evidence that such an edit exists or is in progress anywhere.

I'm rewatching Nemesis now for the first time since my original viewing years ago.  My impression is currently that if all references to B-4 and Data's death were removed (and some shaving of exposition), this movie could be better.

I don't hate the look/feel of the movie.  It's different, and that makes it stand out from the other films.  I don't see the similarities to Wrath of Khan everyone purports to be present, but that doesn't bother either me because WoK is awesome (even if this isn't).

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There are 2 edits on the FE forums, although they are not yet released:

Nemesis:Revisted

STAR TREK:Shinzon Rising

 

 

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Interesting, Thanks for the links.

I've sent a PM to the author of Shinzon Rising. - Apparently it's complete, it's just not available 'online'.

 

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If only all the deleted and trimmed scenes made the DVD release 2 disc set, had their effects finished.

Apparently originally Baird had a much longer cut that made much better sense but Berman hacked away at it til we got the monstrosity we have now.

It is almost like the movie is unsure if its a character peice or an action film.

The Script was okay not the best ever probably needed some additional drafts or maybe a totally different story altogether.

Still the Jungian Archetype of Picard facing his shadow self is interesting, if not as Interesting as Luke facing down Darth Vader in the cave on dagobah.

Picard's choices in life.  The fact he has no children.  The fact that he chose Starfleet when he could have done numerous things.  Picard and Shinzon are the same except Shinzon had a hard life live in dark mines without ever seeing the sun.

Dealing with age, and Death.  Just like Wrath of Khan if not as good or original.  Maybe this film should have ended like the Undiscovered Country.  But instead of A final captain's log you see the refit of the E and the new first officer like in the deleted scenes and you see the enterprise finally heading out on her next voyage, and you see Picard Talk to Riker which was not shot as Captain of the Titan for the movie.

Too bad the novels are expanded universe and not canon because that is the only way you find out the State of things on Romulas after nemesis.  Though Countdown the comics before Spock and Nero end up in the past somehow is,lol.

By the way i'm not entirely sure anymore that Nemesis is the worst Trek movie on multiple views on dvd.  I would have to say It is about even with Star Trek V.   If i had to say which was the worst next generation film it would be generations.

Actually i think all the next gen films are pretty bad.  Even First Contact the best by far has some god awful cringeworthy humor.  The best standout moments are little bits here in there in the flms where the characters are utilized.  The Transition to the big screen really was a failure for the next generation which worked best as a serialized tv format.  The original series somehow adapted itself better to the big screen.  Who knows had the old films been produced by rick berman,lol.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I'd love to be able to remove Shinzon as Picard's clone altogether because I found the plot point forced and in plausable, a source of endless annoying exposition, and Shinzon looks nothing like Picard.

(It also doesn't make sense.  If Shinzon was created as a clone to replace Picard on Enterprise, either A) Romulans have the ability to accelerate aging of clones, but failed to use it after going to the trouble of cloning him (?) or B) Can't accelerate the aging of clones, so Shinzon would never be old enough to actually replace Picard.)

It just doesn't work... like most of the movie I suppose.

Can anyone give details or possible locations for attaining the edits that are on FE.com?  I do not have an account there and do not wish to ever open one again.

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I'd love to be able to remove Shinzon as Picard's clone altogether because I found the plot point forced and in plausable, a source of endless annoying exposition, and Shinzon looks nothing like Picard.

(It also doesn't make sense.  If Shinzon was created as a clone to replace Picard on Enterprise, either A) Romulans have the ability to accelerate aging of clones, but failed to use it after going to the trouble of cloning him (?) or B) Can't accelerate the aging of clones, so Shinzon would never be old enough to actually replace Picard.)

It just doesn't work... like most of the movie I suppose.

Can anyone give details or possible locations for attaining the edits that are on FE.com?  I do not have an account there and do not wish to ever open one again.

So another person not down with being in the exclusive circle of FE.com,lol.

I don't have an account either.  I feel the elitism to be quite laughable actually when considered from the aspect of things be done in the spirit of fandom.

I understand the new site is designed to be on the down low though so you have to log in to view fanedits details.  Which really does not stop someone who works for the movie people to infiltrate.  Good luck to boon on that.

 

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.