How should have the Empire Strikes Back Plot Twist have been kept a secret in the prequel trilogy???

Well, in star wars episode 5-the empire strikes back, it is revealed that Darth Vader, the 2nd in command of the Emperor Palpatine and galactic tyrant and dictator, is actually Anakin Skywalker, the father of Luke Skywalker.

In the prequel trilogy, the movie shows us how Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader, literally. We see how Anakin Skywalker is "knighted" by Darth Sidious into becoming Darth Vader "henceforth you shall be known as Darth Vader", and he is called Darth Vader many times throughout the middle-end of the movie, (it's obvious that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker are one and the same person-even before he gets the famous black helmet/cybernetic robotic suit of armor!) and most importantly, at the very ending of episode 3, we see him getting all burned up on Mustafar and getting put into the cyborg samurai black armory robotic suit that is first seen in A New Hope, and throughout the rest of the original Star Wars movie/film trilogy......

Was there a way to avoid the reveal that Luke Skywalker is actually the son of Darth Vader??? I know this sounds crazy how you could hide that plot twist, but since many/some fans are annoyed by this, I want you to think of creative ways that the prequels should have been written in a way that doesn't spoil the famous plot twist in Episode 5.......

Quite honestly, I don't think there was a way. What would U do??? change anakin's last name or something like that to hide his relation to luke skywalker??? Skywalker was an epic awesome sounding last name.

1-It's is a part of popular culture-almost everybody, even people who aint into Star Wars, know about it, except for a few people who aint into popular culture

2- star wars is the story of anakin skywalker-not luke skywalker, therefore, it isn't really supposed to be a suprise to the audience, but rather, a suprise to luke/leia......

Simple: don't show it.

More easily done by having Anakin Skywalker not be the main character, and occupy less of the focus.  Neither would Obi-wan exclusively be the protagonist, so that the fight which leads to Vader's need for the suit of armour isn't really shown either.  This allows Anakin to 'disappear' from the story, say at the end of Episode 2, without being fully explained; and Vader to appear as a menacing and mysterious villain who hunts down and destroys the Jedi in Episode 3.

hairy_hen said:

Simple: don't show it.

More easily done by having Anakin Skywalker not be the main character, and occupy less of the focus.  Neither would Obi-wan exclusively be the protagonist, so that the fight which leads to Vader's need for the suit of armour isn't really shown either.  This allows Anakin to 'disappear' from the story, say at the end of Episode 2, without being fully explained; and Vader to appear as a menacing and mysterious villain who hunts down and destroys the Jedi in Episode 3.

I disagree with you, for a number of reasons.

First of all, you don't have to watch the star wars movies to know the plot twist in star wars Episode 5; I know lot's of people who wouldn't exactly be considered "geeks" or "nerds" and they have never even watched either the PT or the OT. So, there's really no point in trying to hide the plot twist.

Second of all, Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker being the protagonist of the star wars movies trilogies actually kinda sounds like a good awesome idea, the idea that George Lucas had. "The tradgedy of Darth Vader". The whole idea is that it aint Luke Skywalker's story, it's his father's story, so the whole thing shouldn't be a suprise to us, it should be a suprise to Luke skywalker.

Also, the Mustafar lavaland immolation scene where Lord darth Vader gets all burned up and bald and then gets put into the cyborg samurai black armor robot suit, that scene was my most favorite scene in all 6 of the star wars movies/films, the best most awesomest scene ever of the entire Prequel PT trilogy!!!!!!! Why???? It showed us Darth Vader without the robot suit, and most of all, the transition from human to a half-man half machine. From

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I love cyborgs in science fiction, and their physical transformations are the coolest part about them. Editing out the Mustafar lightsaber fight/duel and the burning immolation scene in the lava and the subsequent physical operation on Coruscant into the cybernetic black knight with the samurai helmet and the deep james Earl Jones/mechanical robot breathing would basically be editing out the most awesomest part of the entire series/saga........

adywan said:

seriously, how many times are you going to post the SAME stuff? You see to find any excuse to post pictures of your love interest, yet just repeat yourself in the process. You were warned about this, yet you continue to do it. You are just a troll of the first degree.

let's just get back on topic and discuss the thread title..........

The 'tragedy of Darth Vader' stuff doesn't fit at all with the way the original films were written at the time they were made: it's all revisionism imposed upon them decades after the fact.  Star Wars is very much 'the adventures of Luke Skywalker' at its heart.

What I've suggested is one of the only viable solutions to the problem suggested in the first post.  To pose this question and then ridicule the answers received is a useless and inane waste of everyone's time.

Incidentally, when my author friend rewrites the prequels to be consistent with the original trilogy next year, that's how he's going to do it.

hairy_hen said:

The 'tragedy of Darth Vader' stuff doesn't fit at all with the way the original films were written at the time they were made: it's all revisionism imposed upon them decades after the fact.  Star Wars is very much 'the adventures of Luke Skywalker' at its heart.

What I've suggested is one of the only viable solutions to the problem suggested in the first post.  To pose this question and then ridicule the answers received is a useless and inane waste of everyone's time.

 

Incidentally, when my author friend rewrites the prequels to be consistent with the original trilogy next year, that's how he's going to do it.

i apologize if i seem to be ridiculing the other user's posts. this is a friendly discussion and i apologize if any of u guys here got hurt or offened.

What do you mean by the first paragraph???

The concept of a "villian protagonist/tragic hero/fallen hero" protagonist sounds far more creative than the idea of Luke Skywalker, a pure hero (kinda like Peter parker/spiderman kind and compassionate and heroic and stays on the path of good) being the main protagonist of it.......

However, I have one serious question here. What's the point of keeping the plot twist a big secret; doesnt everybody know who Darth Vader is???

My mother knows, and she doesn't even know anything about Star Wars or has never watched any of the movies/films

Just like this lady that I know

And a lot of my friends who couldn't care less about star wars

It's a staple part of popular culture nowadays. It was originally a big plot twist during/in the 1980s, but since a few people revealed it and forgot to keep the spoiler alert on, it spread to almost everybody; nowadays knowing that Luke Skywalker is the son of Darth Vader is like/as common as knowing about all of the celebrities of today

I was going to post a picture of Anakin from the end of ROTS, but there aren't any left on GIS.  They've all been moved to this forum, apparently.

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

adywan said:

seriously, how many times are you going to post the SAME stuff? You see to find any excuse to post pictures of your love interest, yet just repeat yourself in the process. You were warned about this, yet you continue to do it. You are just a troll of the first degree.

let's just get back on topic and discuss the thread title..........

 

What's the matter? Don't you like it when someone goes off-topic in a thread you make, but you think it's ok for yourself to do the same thing time and time again in other peoples threads? Double standards

But, on topic, the Star Wars saga was NEVER the saga of Anakin Skywalker. It was always "from the adventures of Luke Skywalker" George could have easily retained the surprise of the reveal, yet he chose not to. It would have been pretty easy too given the fact of how many villains came and went in the prequels. The audience could have believed that Anakin was dead and then along comes Vader, his new apprentice. If vader in the suit had been the one to storm the Jedi Temple then it would have gone along with what Obi-Wan told luke about Vader "hunting down and destroying the Jedi", but without spoiling the ESB revelation. In fact, that's exactly what i'm hoping to achieve in ROTS:Revisited. It's going to be very tough to acheive, but on the plus side this means that there will be a lot less of that whiny, emo, crap actor Hayden in the movie, which can only be a good thing

I actually like the idea that the suit does not make anakin skywalker Darth Vader. Having Darth Vader storm the Jedi temple with the Stormtroopers without the robotic samurai suit is far more interesting and creative than having the classic looking Darth Vader doing that.

Anakin Skywalker, a Jedi Knight, sacrifices himself for his son. Despite having the cyborg samurai black knight robot suit and helmet/mask on his face, he is no longer Darth Vader. Darth Vader has spiritually ceased to exist at this point. 

Darth Vader leads the march on the Jedi Temple with the clonetroopers/stormtroopers protypes. Darth Vader looks like a totally normal human being at this point.

The suit is just something that keeps him alive.

thecolorsblend said:

Don't change anything; just watch the prequels last (which is how "it was originally intended" anyway) and let the narrative take care of itself. Not showing Anakin becoming Vader defeats the entire point of the prequels in the first place.

exactly. 

doesn't everybody know that darth vader is luke skywalker's father (aka anakin skywalker)???

hairy_hen said:

Simple: don't show it.

More easily done by having Anakin Skywalker not be the main character, and occupy less of the focus.  Neither would Obi-wan exclusively be the protagonist, so that the fight which leads to Vader's need for the suit of armour isn't really shown either.  This allows Anakin to 'disappear' from the story, say at the end of Episode 2, without being fully explained; and Vader to appear as a menacing and mysterious villain who hunts down and destroys the Jedi in Episode 3.

Well, then, who should the main character/protagonist of the prequel trilogy be, in your ur opinion???

Darth Vader just killed a group of younglings Jedi and Cin Drallig and his 2 padawans, during/Episode 3 revenge of the Sith, and a few other knights/masters if you bring up the EU (the expanded universe, like the novelizations and stuff). He did kill a lot of the Jedi in the jedi temple, they just didn't show a lot if it to the viewer. 

A huge flaw/plot hole is this. We never saw anakin skywalker/darth vader actually kill a lot of Jedi in person on the big screen, it was either shown in a hologram, implied with the youngling scene, or mentioned in the Eu expanded universe. No scene where he actually takes out his lightsaber and goes after them.

Order 66 was so wasted in the star wars prequels trilogy because, for Christ's sakes, the movie was 2 hours hrs long or so, you can't add a few minutes of darth vader killing some jedi???

Besides, "at last the jedi are no more". Wait, that contradicts the EU the expanded universe, because there were surviving jedi hiding on/in that mining planet Kessel and the wookie chewbacca planet called Kashyyk......

thecolorsblend said:

^ Then why the hell did you bring it up?

well, if u disagree with me that/so much???

Why don't u argue against me yourself urself???