How do others see the originaltrilogy.com community? — Page 9

It's almost as if from obi-rob-kenraly4's point of view we are campaigning for the destruction of the SE's and the PT and not the preservation of the OUT.

It's almost as if a century and a quarter of cinema history just happened to other people while he was watching the telly.

What do you expect from TFN. That is characteristic of them there, and the reason I no longer make it a habit of posting. The only people left there are youngsters who were born after or right before the SE came out (an 18 year old would be born in 1994 remember) and so don't care/know about the OOT, fans who literally are just ignorant so they don't see what the problem is or care, and Lucas/new-star-wars apologists who will do whatever Lucas says and love him for it.

The first two groups you will find anywhere, that's nothing new, you even occassionally get them here. Star Wars has always thrived on a young fanbase, and not everyone older is an expert about things we take for granted. But you may notice that they seem to be disproportionately represented at TFN. And that applies to the last group, the "Lucas fanboys" or whatever you want to call them. And they are all over that place. In fact, they run parts of it. And the reason these three groups are so highly represented there is because that is largely all that is left. People like BaronLando left. People like me left. And the moderates either learned to be quiet about certain issues or they went some place else too--in fact, I did and still do consider myself a moderate. This was not all by accident, Lucasfilm is the de-facto controlling entity behind much of TFN and has been for a long time. Lucasfilm closed their forums years ago because the TFN forums had long ago become the substitute, and the website is now a sort of unofficial subsidiary of Lucasfilm. And so the forum was moderated the way the official forum would be, and as the number of anti-OOT, pro-prequel, pro-SE, pro-whatever-Lucas-says members continued to grow exponentially through the marginalization of everyone not like that, they dominated the membership there more and more, which only gave them the ability to marginalize others even more.

Some of this was even more direct than just through consequence like that. A great many were banned, or threatened with it. In 2003 or so it was already so bad that they had to create a "Basher's Sanctuary" thread for critics who wanted to discuss things critically or bitch about things without have to face any consequences or get shouted down. Then even that thread was closed in 2006 or so, and a lot of people there were directly and indirectly driven away.

But the consequence of these two things is that they took the good discussion with them. Even posters there today sometimes complain about the lack of substance and the "good old days." A lot of the more intelligent posters stopped coming back--or were banned--and the ones that stayed behind got bored or else had few people to talk to.

So, take away all that and what do you have left? Casual fans, apologists, undercover Lucasfilm employees, and people who come there to read about crap like Disneyland Star Wars Days and the latest prequel action figures.

Sadly, it's one of the biggest SW boards around, but it's been so manipulated that it doesn't in any way represent the real Star Wars fanbase, only the parts of it that Lucasfilm has approved of. If you go almost anywhere else, whether its IGN or imdb or whathaveyou, you still have those kinds of people, but they exist in much smaller proportional numbers. I miss the old TFN, it had some major flaws and needed to be less fanboy-oriented, but there was a lot of good discussion to be had. I started posting there when I was just 13 years old in 1998, and so I actually have grown up with it, now that I am almost 30. And now look at what it's become. And it's been that way for a long, long time now.

After reading through this thread I am so glad that we DO have projects going on that are trying to preserve the S.E. (as it WAS when it came out).  We've also seen a surge in audio preservation's over the last year or so which I think makes the larger projects more exciting.  AND I'm glad to be a part of some of these....even IF I get a little impatient, opinionated, frustrated, and what not.  I am thankful that we DO have what we have going on and I'm thankful to ALL of those folks who give up the extra time needed to make them happen for everyone.

Posts like mine and others that echo it should be posted as a response to all those negative ones.  There are real people here with real lives and real passions....and they do try, from the heart, to balance them so that everyone benefits.

:)  

While it's sad to see posts like that, I've come to terms with it: The internet gives everyone a voice... no matter how stupid.

The upside though is, that you appreciate forums like OT.com even more. I mean there are tons of civilized discussions on here... and it's not just because our collective love for Star Wars, but because Star Wars reaches back to people who are actually grown ups ;) To be fair though, I've read great posts by people in their 'teens on here as well, so it's probably just a good environment.

But but...even IF something is only avaible in sd...that doesn't automatically make it bad. Image quality only ENHANCES the experience, not neccesairly create it. (there are instances where I'd call good quality for a movie essential to the movie)

^Indeed. Makes me wonder how those stridently anti-SD people ever enjoyed TV/movies before HD existed.

Tyrphanax said:

it makes me want to grab him by his lapels and shake him violently while striking him about the neck and head with a book of general knowledge.

We are pretty much the only people who care about the OUT anymore, which is what frightens me. History is being erased by GL, which is a far bigger crime than the PT. And 95% of all SW fans are applauding it; most people under 20 think the SE always existed as it was released in 2011. LFL blatantly state films made last year as the versions released in 1977-1983 if you look at the back of the Blu-ray box. It doesn't help the Lucas said to people who care about the OOT that they can watch it on VHS and/or are meaningless to his marketing empire. Even THX-1138 only exists in the 2004 director's cut, which shoehorns CGI made decades after the film was made. The reason I have a defeatist philosophy when it comes to SW is due to Lucas himself, and his acolyte fanboys that puts most cults to shame. No one should erase history like that with so much contempt for the people who made him a billionaire and catapulted him to a position of power.

Anchorhead said:

Man, you have to dig that at one point, that Rob kid says - and he means it seriously - that we raped his Google because people searching the internet for Star Wars  inevitably end up seeing what a liar Lucas has been all these years because we won't quit calling him out for it.

  That is fucking comedy gold, man.  Gold!

 

Yeah, Obi rob is a silly goose. Though you will note that no one took any action against him and his sperging until I pointed out the double standard. 

(Also, long time lurker, first time poster!)

And already using the 'double standards' meme like a pro.

Welcome Heero.

generalfrevious wrote: LFL blatantly state films made last year as the versions released in 1977-1983 if you look at the back of the Blu-ray box.

If you watch the film, the copyright is 1997.