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walkingdork said:

Yep and a guy got banned for what he said in the Off Topic forum the first day it became unmoderated. Granted he was an obvious sock but still that sock could have been ignored by his peers.

I really think I should be clear before this turns into an argument, I like and support all the moderators and would never tell them how to run their forums. This is their forum and they can and should run it however they want. I am in no way asking for change.

Well that's just dealing with trolls, happens everywhere. But believe me I know what a heavily moderated SW forum is, and OT.com is simply not it.

A couple more guys are helping now and I think it's great simply because there is way more activity nowadays and some people were getting out of control. But in a few months it'll all go back to normal I guess.

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Yeah everyone seems to hate us. All we want is the original versions of three films. Remastered. But the billionaire who owns them says "fuck you guys". Meh.

 

But I made a thread on NeoGAF regarding Harmy's Despecialized editions, and it's gotten a surprisingly positive reception. Even ANH Revisited is pretty much universally praised over there, and Adywan usually gets torn apart over that thing =/

 

In conclusion, NeoGAF is awesome =)

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AuggieBenDoggie said:

 

Anchorhead said:

The ability to own a high quality version of the films we sat in the theater and watched. The desire for all six films to be offered unaltered has been expressed many times here, regardless of how many of the six people may want to own.

 

 

I have never see the desire ( by the community here as a whole ) openly expressed a want for all six films to be released unaltered, above the quality that is offered in the blu-rays. I have only seen the want for a quality release of the unaltered trilogy here. Preferably from a 4k scan, something thats not possible with AOTC and SITH since they where filmed at 1080p, and thats probably why the altered Original Trilogy was mastered at 1080p also. Even the New altered TPM was mastered at 1080p when the print should have been scanned at 4k instead of 2k. Lucas knows that anything he puts out, people will go crazy for.

You're splitting hairs here.

The PT has been promoted consistently, whereas the OT has not only taken a recent backseat, the OOT has been ignored almost entirely. Lucas even said "to me, those films don't exist anymore." It's not that he is saying they are less important, he is actually going so far as saying he treats them as though they were never made. This is not equal treatment.

Moreover, the PT has consistently be presented and available to the viewer. A film that can't be seen and can't be enjoyed might as well not exist. While the 1993 Laserdisc master released in 2006 is indeed better than nothing, in a strictly philosophical sense that is, this is only comparable to content produced or presented in 1993, not 2006. The PT has gotten modern DVD quality transfers. The OOT has not. The PT has received television promotion and airing, and high-definition television broadcasts. The OOT has not. The PT has been released in high definition on Blu-ray. The OOT has not.

So yes, the problem boils down to this: the OOT has basically been buried, and the people in charge (Lucas, Lucasfilm et all) have no desire to treat it with respect or in any sort of respectable form available to the viewer, no do many fans acknowledge it except some obsolete relic. This is not even close to equal-treatment to the PT and OT-SE, in fact Lucas has facetiously denied that the films exist in the first place.

If Lucas/Lucasfilm/et-all and fans had considered the OOT on the same plane as the PT and OT-SE, nothing would be a problem. It is the people who try to bury the OOT or treat it as a relic not good enough for even a museum that causes tension. No one here wants PT fans to not be able to enjoy the films--why would we wish ill will towards strangers? People here may not want to watch the films, but I don't think anyone has ever suggested they be made unavailable to people. With the originaltrilogy.com mandate to preserve cinematic history, that would self-contradictory.

So, why can't the films all be considered and treated equally? At the very least, the OOT deserves to be treated in the same way as every other film is. But it's not. The "creator"/owner (Lucas) has disowned them, confiscated all prints, and refused to sell anything other than a two-decades-old SD Laserdisc video of the films (which is now OOP, by the way, and no longer as relevant a point of discussion). Maybe the PT and OT-SE should be made unavailable to their fans, maybe then they would understand the frustration OOT fans have to go through and understand how selfish it is to assist and be an accessory to the destruction and loss not only of millions of people's favourite films, but an enormously important part of the culturally history of both SE fans and OOT fans alike.

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Mielr said:

Seriously, do we care what the people at TFN think of us?! LOL! Those people are beyond delusional- they have ZERO credibility so I hardly think they're in a position to judge us.


 That someone dares to like the PT or the SE is delusional? I someone with less discenring tastes about color-seperation really crazy? Does liking the dug in Jabba's palace really cost someone their credibility?

 


Wow! Did I say "That someone dares to like the PT or the SE is delusional"? Strange...I don't remember typing that. I don't remember saying anyone was "crazy" either........

I guess SOMEONE must be having delusions!

Mrebo expressed my feelings accurately, so I won't bother, but I would have thought by now you'd be aware that OT.com is generally tolerant of ALL types of fans, if they believe the OOT should be properly restored and released (the original mission of this site). FYI, tolerance of such a broad spectrum of fandom does NOT exist on TFN.

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Mrebo said:

none said:

The official Star Wars site got a redesign (...tons of shit is Possibly gone...) but they have a section for Fan Sites, this place didn't make it.

http://www.starwars.com/connect/fan-sites/

And yet the Holiday Special site is listed!

I mean at least the secrethistoryofstarwars.com or www.tk409.com would be good additions. I wonder if it's possible to petition to be added...

Wahooo!!  I'm famous!

Secret History would be great to get on there, but AIN'T gonna happen.   All of the sites listed tow the company line.

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 Adywan usually gets torn apart over that thing =/

What kind of complete prat would attack Adywan over ANH:Revisited? It's AMAZING... Hell, from what I've heard he seems to have got a hell of a lot of grief for what Lucas should have done. Which is a shame as in reality I think both him and Harmy should be universally praised (along with many others whose names would make this too long...) for their work. I'm thankful all the crap hasn't stopped Adywan from continuing fixing the trilogy.

Frankly you would have to be a complete twat to give stick to either of them, over what they've done. The whole Star Wars community should be grateful even if they prefer the "Official Releases" just for the ammount of effort and skill it takes to do what they've done. I really don't get the haters....

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Stuff like this doesn't help. =P

 

I mean, I understand that stuff like that is generally all in good fun here. But, I mean, we could hold off on the newbies for at least a little while until they get into the swing of things.

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@Tyrphanax

Apologies for length, failure to articulate my self or bad grammar...

That was just obnoxious in my opinion; I don't hold it against the forum, but I won't be returning to post in that thread. Didn't really seem like Davnes007 wanted to engage with the topic just criticise my sucky grammar and not having been specific enough over what I had meant, although I'd of thought/hoped that it was clear enough for people to understand my meaning.

There are always those in forums that seem to think it's their job to act as grammar police, though I have to confess this is the first time I recall being the target. It's not as if I avoid trying to type properly, not using capitals or sentences or using chat speak. Nor does correcting me actually help, already had to put up with years of sh*t about it from teachers in the education system, would prefer not to have to deal with it in a forum I post in for FUN.

It does annoy me when  none native English speakers or those with learning disabilities are "corrected" it's not as if I'm deliberately trying to annoy anyone, and the above just seemed like it was trying to make me look stupid, I leave it to others to decide if I am in fact stupid.

I do my best with grammar and spelling (have a spell checker in firefox to catch my spelling errors, which are frequent). But there is not a grammar checker integrated into firefox, not that Word for example always catches my grammatical mistakes anyway.

But to your point, given that I've been hardly hear a week, it was not the nicest of introductions I've ever received...

My 2 cents.

"Love is the only reality and it is not a mere sentiment. It is the ultimate truth that lies at the heart of creation." - Rabindranath Tagore

"Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides us from truth." - Kahlil Gibran

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It was all because you said you were pedantic about language use.

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Zombie84 said:

So, why can't the films all be considered and treated equally? At the very least, the OOT deserves to be treated in the same way as every other film is. But it's not. The "creator"/owner (Lucas) has disowned them, confiscated all prints, and refused to sell anything other than a two-decades-old SD Laserdisc video of the films (which is now OOP, by the way, and no longer as relevant a point of discussion). Maybe the PT and OT-SE should be made unavailable to their fans, maybe then they would understand the frustration OOT fans have to go through and understand how selfish it is to assist and be an accessory to the destruction and loss not only of millions of people's favourite films, but an enormously important part of the culturally history of both SE fans and OOT fans alike.

 

OK, here is my argument with the GOUT vs. SE, vs. the PT. Your basic general starwars fan doesn't care too much for the GOUT, simply because there is no quality version available ( we all know the reason why ). The only quality version available is the Altered Original Trilogy ( the special editions ). They are the versions lucas has brainwashed so many people into accepting, and they are the versions that have all the new CG effects and the color "decorrections" that are supposed to update the look to better match the prequels. Just visit's all of those sites that hate us and see how much they don't care for the GOUT. They practically worship the Special Editions and the Prequels. The SE trilogy and the PT trilogy are being treated equally, but the GOUT has been shunned by most all of Lucas's brainwashed legion. This website ( Original Trilogy.com ) was created to bring together the Hardcore fans that grew up with the GOUT and petition Lucas into releasing a quality version of it, and although the prequel trilogy is promoted and discussed here, it's still not the main focus of this site, and it's definitely not as popular as the GOUT is here at OT.com.

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Like I said, it's second nature for us to jokingly call one another out on misuse of language or spelling and grammatical errors, but for someone who's new to the place, it can come off not in the playful ribbing way it's meant, but as an attack.

It puts us in a bad light because it looks like we get new members and then spit on them for making a couple easily overlooked mistakes when it's just that they don't understand the full context of why we ribbed them.

 

Some black folk will let their white friends drop the n-bomb around them in conversation because it's all in good fun, but you wouldn't (I assume) just walk up to them on the street and say it not knowing them.

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jonathan7 said:

...Didn't really seem like Davnes007 wanted to engage with the topic just criticise my sucky grammar and not having been specific enough over what I had meant, although I'd of thought/hoped that it was clear enough for people to understand my meaning.

There are always those in forums that seem to think it's their job to act as grammar police...

 

...it was not the nicest of introductions I've ever received...

My 2 cents.

It seems I was in a pissy mood yesterday. I did come off as an ass in my post(s), and I humbly apologize for making you feel unwelcome. 

Although spelling/grammar issues do jump out at me (all over the internet), jumping all over you about it was stupid...and I've felt bad about the whole situation since it happened.

Again, I'm sorry for upsetting you (and others), with my behaviour.

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I'm a long time lurker, first time poster and I think you guys rock.  All Lucas has to do is put out a high quality version of the original films without all the digital crap and revisions and the entire controversy pretty much goes away forever and if he wants to replace Luke with freakin' Jar Jar Binks then he can have at it.  This wouldn't even necessarily require much in the way of effort or expense on his part.  I think that the original Star Wars flicks deserve as much respect and as loving a preservation as any great pieces of cinema out there.  It's a damned shame that George Lucas does not agree.  As a Gen Xer , those movies are a huge chunk of my formative years, but when I tried to start to watch the GOUT discs a couple of weeks back I got frustrated because I couldn't quite get the settings right between my DVD player and and TV to make them look OK so I ended up watching the 2004 versions of Star Wars and Empire instead.  I haven't done Jedi yet, but that's the most screwed up of the 2004 versions compared to the original so I think I'm going to have to go GOUT on that one.    

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I don't feel that I am crazy, or a "nut job" for:

  1. Wanting one of the best films of all time to be released in a high quality transfer
  2. For disliking inane, pointless, soulless films (the prequels)
  3. for criticizing a narcissistic, arrogant, artistically empty "filmmaker" (George Lucas)

 

I will be honest - anyone who likes the prequels, other than as guilty pleasures, has lost the ability to discern quality from crap. There are objective ways to evaluate films and the prequels fail to meet standards of a good film in almost every way.  Hell, they are not even exciting as blockbusters. Enough with the relativistic, politically correct bullshit. It is okay to like crap, but please; don't pretend that it isn't crap.

However, you should only take your hate so far and I don't think I have said anything out of line. If so, I would hope I would be told by a moderator or a well respected member. Or Ric Olie.

But we all have to be honest though - the death of George Lucas would help our cause. When he is dead it is likely that, as a pure business decision, Fox would release quality versions of the OOT. However, I am not so crazy, vile, or cruel to wish his early death so I can have my OOT. In fact I really hold out hope for George to see the light, release the OOT during his lifetime, and once again become the man I had admired so much until around 1999.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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theprequelsrule said:

However, you should only take your hate so far and I don't think I have said anything out of line. If so, I would hope I would be told by a moderator or a well respected member. Or Ric Olie.

I am offended at your statement, sir.  I challenge you to a duel of handsomeness....

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I win.

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Ric Olie said:

theprequelsrule said:

However, you should only take your hate so far and I don't think I have said anything out of line. If so, I would hope I would be told by a moderator or a well respected member. Or Ric Olie.

I am offended at your statement, sir.  I challenge you to a duel of handsomeness....

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I win.

I always concede superior handsomeness to Ric Olie. Those piercing eyes, the wavy hair... *swoons*

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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Davnes007 said:

It seems I was in a pissy mood yesterday. I did come off as an ass in my post(s), and I humbly apologize for making you feel unwelcome. 

Although spelling/grammar issues do jump out at me (all over the internet), jumping all over you about it was stupid...and I've felt bad about the whole situation since it happened.

Again, I'm sorry for upsetting you (and others), with my behaviour.

No worries, apology accepted. I over-reacted to it too, I've been ill and tired (which also doesn't help grammar/spelling either), so it's in the past lets forget about it. :)

 

 

 

"Love is the only reality and it is not a mere sentiment. It is the ultimate truth that lies at the heart of creation." - Rabindranath Tagore

"Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides us from truth." - Kahlil Gibran

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Moth3r said:

"be warned there are some hardcore nerfherders over there"

link: http://hd420p.wordpress.com/tag/originaltrilogy-com/

 

Firstly I cant find the HTML button to get me out of these quotes.

 

Moth3r

I feel you have miss quoted me there or rather quoted me out of context. I spent fair bit of time watching those fan edits, reading up the various threads and associated websites. frankly I had nothing but good things to say about not only the cuts but the people at OT. I spent time linking back to everyones posts, commented on dedication and skill.

My nerfherding comment was done wholly tongue in cheek and with anything, respect.

Sorry if you feel my homage to the love that members of this board show a series of films that are important to me was in anyway derogatory.

@rn!e from HD420p

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hd420p said:

Moth3r said:

"be warned there are some hardcore nerfherders over there"

link: http://hd420p.wordpress.com/tag/originaltrilogy-com/

 

Firstly I cant find the HTML button to get me out of these quotes.

 

Moth3r

I feel you have miss quoted me there or rather quoted me out of context. I spent fair bit of time watching those fan edits, reading up the various threads and associated websites. frankly I had nothing but good things to say about not only the cuts but the people at OT. I spent time linking back to everyones posts, commented on dedication and skill.

My nerfherding comment was done wholly tongue in cheek and with anything, respect.

Sorry if you feel my homage to the love that members of this board show a series of films that are important to me was in anyway derogatory.

@rn!e from HD420p

1. I don't think it's that offensive in any context. It's both funny and true.

2. Moth3r gave us the link so we could see the context. The moment the page loads it's clear that it's not an anti-OT.com site.

Relax.

If you want a Myspleen invite, just PM me and ask.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Once-upon-a-time-on-MySpleen/topic/12652/

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Yeah, it's very pro-edit/restoration and the nerfherder comment is just a slight tongue-in-cheek jab at the very end, anyone can see that if they do follow the link.

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Just more proof that we're fighting a losing battle, sadly.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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TV's Frink said:

Yeah, it's very pro-edit/restoration and the nerfherder comment is just a slight tongue-in-cheek jab at the very end, anyone can see that if they do follow the link.

I'm too lazy to follow links, so I'm glad he cleared that up.

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TheBoost said:

TV's Frink said:

Yeah, it's very pro-edit/restoration and the nerfherder comment is just a slight tongue-in-cheek jab at the very end, anyone can see that if they do follow the link.

I'm too lazy to follow links, so I'm glad he cleared that up.

Yeah, I didn't follow any of the link either but again I didn't find it offensive. If you spend any amount of time debating Star Wars on the internet, you are a nerd. Embrace it.

If you want a Myspleen invite, just PM me and ask.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Once-upon-a-time-on-MySpleen/topic/12652/