Okay, he's able to read people's his mind but can't find Luke in an almost completely vacuous area?!! Lets not forget that Palpatine found the exact location of burnt Anakin on Mustafar using only the force to find him. I know they're just B-movies, well the prequels anyways, but this always bugged me.
Because Vader does not want to give Luke the advantage he won't enter the darkened alcove. In the novelization luke throws away his lightsaber, hands it over to vader who clips it to his belt and steps into the darkness to confront Luke.
When Vader senses Luke Thoughts about his sister leia He Roars "twins!!". "Obi Wan was wise to hide her from me if you will not turn to the darkside then perhaps your sister will"
Then Luke uses the force to make his saber fly to his hands and unclip form vaders belt, shouting "Neverrrrrrr!" in Fury and is one step away from completely going over to the darkside. All he has to do is murder his own father in anger.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Janskeet said:I know they're just B-movies, well the prequels anyways, but this always bugged me.
You may wish to look up the definition of "B-movie".
I always thought Luke was using the force to block Vader out. Notice Luke is concentrating really hard. Vader finally picks up on his thoughts about his sister, I always assumed that was because Luke wasn't strong enough in the force and Vader was able to see through his fog just enough to pick up that little tidbit, likely because Luke was worried about Leia at the moment and thinking too much about her and what it would be like for her if he failed.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Well this little continuity got an EU patch when they showed characters could learn to hide themselves in the force. Like turning a light switch on or off,lol.
Not so sure this was really a problem to begin with as nitpickers overly analyze these films. They are movies and meant to be enjoyed not disected. The problem of the EU is trying to overly explain things Lucas never touched upon in his movies or left intentionally vague.
I mean you could looks for the retcon patches even in Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Since the story was being made up on the fly it is not entirely seamless. Vader originally was not Luke's father and Leia not his sister. Now it is just accepted as a given or that was the story lucas originally set out to tell.
Those who were born in the Seventies and remember seeing a film simply called Star Wars in 1977 know better though.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
I wasn't basing my post on any EU retcons. I didn't even know there was such an EU retcon. Since I had first seen the film, long before reading a lick of EU, I had always assumed that is what was going on. I don't think Luke's careful concentration is simply there to indicate that he is trying to be as quiet as a mouse so Vader doesn't hear him.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
It gives new meaning to Kenobi's "Bury your feelings Luke. They do you credit but could be made to serve the emperor" Or he says something like that been a while since i saw Return of the Jedi gout,lol.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Janskeet said:.
Where? I don't see him.
Mielr said:Janskeet said:.
Where? I don't see him.
Have you seen ROTJ?????
Janskeet said:Have you seen ROTJ?????
Um, yeah.....LOL. I thought I was supposed to be seeing something in the photo.
The photo does not illustrate your point- the arrow points at nothing. Maybe that's why Vader didn't see him. ;-)
At the risk of sounding even more of a geek then I already do...have you ever worn a Vader helmet? You cant see shit in that thing!
And the prequels are not B-movies, look up the definition like C3PX suggested.
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I always thought B-movies were movies that were cheesy and made kids. Following strict logic and laws of physics weren't what the movie were about. Like power rangers or spider-man. After looking up B-movies, I guess this isn't an accurate description of "B-movies". But even George Lucas said star wars "are just b-movies" and that was his excuse for a lot of the arguments with people who questioned his descisions making the movies. I was always little appauld that Georege Lucas thinks Star Wars are just b-movies. I never thought of Star Wars that way. I always thought of them as generally good movies in all aspects.
Mielr said:Janskeet said:Have you seen ROTJ?????
Um, yeah.....LOL. I thought I was supposed to be seeing something in the photo.
The photo does not illustrate your point- the arrow points at nothing. Maybe that's why Vader didn't see him. ;-)
Dude, are you trying to be obnoxious? You know what I mean. No, I'm not trying to indiciate you can see anything where the arrow is pointing. I am just indicating Luke is sitting right behind that thing, whatever the hell that thing is. I can't tell if it is a computer or just decoration. Does anybody know what that thing is? Whatever it is it looks cool.
Janskeet said:Okay, he's able to read people's his mind but can't find Luke in an almost completely vacuous area?!! Lets not forget that Palpatine found the exact location of burnt Anakin on Mustafar using only the force to find him. I know they're just B-movies, well the prequels anyways, but this always bugged me.
Factors to consider.
Palpy KNEW exactly where he sent Anakin on Mustafar. Anakin was still in the same factory/complex where he killed the Seperatists.
Anakin WANTED to be found, similiar to Luke wanting to be found at the end of ESB. Luke didn't want to be found. Maybe instead of 'vanishing' in the force, he was just not broadcasting actively.
On the other hand, perhaps finding someone with the force has a limit of specificity, like using GPS. Maybe Vader could sense Luke was in the room, but no more specific than that. That possibilty explains how Leia found Luke, Palpy found Anakin, and Vader found Obi on the Death Star, but why Vader couldn't pinpoint exactly where Luke was.
1. The Vader helmet's sight is limited.
2. I like the idea of Luke "masking" himself with the Force-never thought of that one.
3. It's the tradition of the camera frame defining what is in the character's conciousness. The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly 's end scene takes place in a graveyard surrounded by vast mountain vistas for miles around. Yet somehow Angel Eyes comes up out of nowhere with a shovel to surprise Blondie and Tuco. In the camera frame!
I always did wonder about this scene though. The set is so small that it is kinda obvious where Luke would be, but the "masking" effect gives it some credence-this may be why Vader was able to pick out Leia from Luke's mind as he was concentrating on not being found.
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Janskeet said:Dude, are you trying to be obnoxious? You know what I mean. No, I'm not trying to indiciate you can see anything where the arrow is pointing.
No "Dude", I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but you're getting dangerously close.
A little bit of politeness goes a long way.
Daaamn. Mielr de-limbed and left you to burn by the lava, Janskeet. I'd rebuild you and everything, but I'm too busy watching cartoons right now.
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DarkFather said:
I'd rebuild you and everything, but I'm too busy watching cartoons right now.
Shucks. :-P
Scooby Doo?
I was a while ago on Boomerang, yes.
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Janskeet said:I always thought B-movies were movies that were cheesy and made kids. Following strict logic and laws of physics weren't what the movie were about. Like power rangers or spider-man. After looking up B-movies, I guess this isn't an accurate description of "B-movies". But even George Lucas said star wars "are just b-movies" and that was his excuse for a lot of the arguments with people who questioned his descisions making the movies.
Did you just call Spider-Man a b-movie?
Huh, that is odd Lucas would call them B-movies. What time frame was this statement made? Before or after the prequels?
B-movies were the training wheels for film makers and actors. They were extremely low budget. A lot of them depicted silly sci-fi events, and were therefore targeted at kids. Today's equal of the B-movie would probably be the sci-fi channel original movie, or other made for TV movies.
George was influenced by B-movies and sci-fi serials when making Star Wars, so I imagine that is what he meant. Nothing wrong with that, B-movies do have a bit of a charm to them, which is what George was going for (and succeeded) with Star Wars. And you might even be able to shove the first Star Wars film into the B-Movie category, but the other five films are anything but.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I wouldn't insult B-movies by calling the Spider Man movies B movies.
C3PX said:Janskeet said:But even George Lucas said star wars "are just b-movies" and that was his excuse for a lot of the arguments with people who questioned his descisions making the movies.
Huh, that is odd Lucas would call them B-movies. What time frame was this statement made? Before or after the prequels?
When Lucas says "B-Movie" I think he means it in a dismisive 'why are you criticizing Star Wars' sense, the same way he means it when he says 'children's movie.'
Vaderisnothayden said:I wouldn't insult B-movies by calling the Spider Man movies B movies.
Geez man, do you hate everything?
What is wrong with the first and second Spider-Man movies? For what they are, they are damn near perfect in my IMHO. You a fan of the comics at all, or do you just hate Spidey in general?
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I only hate crap. The Spider Man movies are shallow crap that totally dumb down Spider Man and take the depth and edge out of the story. Plus Tobey Maguire in the role is as bad as Hayden Christensen as Anakin, and a bit similar actually. Certainly no more convincing as a hero than Hayden is as a great Jedi. In the 90s I was a fan of various Marvel comics and it annoys the shit out me to see them turned into crap movies that don't respect the material. All too often, the people who make films based on comic books seem to want to avoid recognizing that the comics have stories with some depth and seriousness and aren't just lightweight nonsense. The Spiderman movies are lightweight nonsense. They have a lot in common with the prequels actually.
I thought "B-Movies" were low-budget?
I always thought Guy Pearce would have been a great Spidey.
Having been a fan of the original Amazing Spider-Man comics for as long as I can remember, I felt the first film was incredible true to the originals, with the exception of Mary Jane, which felt like a fair enough plot convienence to me.
It is a comic book movie, how "deep" do you really need it to be? It is no more shallow than the source material. Also, it was made by someone who had a great respect for the source material (unlike the makers of most comic book movies), and that is really all I could ask for in a comic book movie. My feelings are that the first and second Spider-Man flicks are ideal comic book movies. If the prequels were half as good as Spidey 1 & 2, I would have been thrilled. But to each their own.
Just out of curiosity, what movies do you like?
And yes Mielr, B-movies were low budget. There was a misunderstanding on the part the OP, but it has since been cleared up.
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