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How Does Princess Leia Remember Her Mother in Return of the Jedi? — Page 2

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First off that scene always bugged me from the very beginning. “Do you remember you mother? Your REAL mother?”

Wait, Leia is adopted? And she knows it? And LUKE knows it? When the #$%# did the AUDIENCE know it?

So why do we think she’s talking about the Mother to Eventually Be Padme? They lied to her about who her father was. Even if they never told her that he was Darth Vader they didn’t tell her that he was a Jedi Knight either. I can’t imagine the name Anakin Skywalker ever came up.

So why aren’t we assuming that she’s talking about her first adopted mother (presumably Bail’s wife at the time) who she never knew wasn’t her “REAL” mother?

Honestly, these two kids have been lied to about their parents from day one. But we somehow expect Leia to have the totally real and accurate information about her mother? From a single line of dialog that comes totally out of nowhere?

There’s a ton of stuff that the prequels messed up. But part of that is because Darth Vader being Luke’s father makes little sense and being Luke AND Leia’s father makes NO sense.

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Density said:

bkev said:

I like to think if I ABSOLUTELY had to give an in-universe reason, it’s down to the fact that Leia is Force-sensitive and can remember the strong emotions her mother experienced during childbirth etc.

That’s the BS excuse I’ve always heard.

For a split-second there, I thought you’d typed “B5” instead of “BS”. I was asking myself, “What does any of this have to do with Babylon 5?”

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Density said:

bkev said:

I like to think if I ABSOLUTELY had to give an in-universe reason, it’s down to the fact that Leia is Force-sensitive and can remember the strong emotions her mother experienced during childbirth etc.

That’s the BS excuse I’ve always heard.

For a split-second there, I thought you’d typed “B5” instead of “BS”. I was asking myself, “What does any of this have to do with Babylon 5?”

Well, there is a connection, but it was written out when they thought they were canceled in the 4th season.

– Bill

Never tell me the odds.

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Leia remembers her real mother for the same reason I remember my grandfather who died when I was very young.

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Are there any pictures in star wars?

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Sort of. A deleted AOTC scene featured looping holographic images on the walls.


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Where were you in '77?

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Aotc was a movie? I thought it was just a compilation of cutscenes from a video game that never got released.

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Cthulhunicron said:

Leia remembers her real mother for the same reason I remember my grandfather who died when I was very young.

“Very young”, like 10 minutes old?

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The simplest explanation is Bail probably told her she was adopted, and who her biological mother was. Anakin is never mentioned, as it was easier and safer to say nobody knew who Padme was involved with.

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SilverWook said:

Sort of. A deleted AOTC scene featured looping holographic images on the walls.


thank god that was cut

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dahmage said:

SilverWook said:

Sort of. A deleted AOTC scene featured looping holographic images on the walls.


thank god that was cut

Don’t really think it made a diff in the final equation…
But lol at Puddle’s Reno nightmare getup.

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Lol at a supposed grown man saying things like “diff.”

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TV’s Frink said:

Lol at a supposed grown man saying things like “diff.”

Lulz @ some bitter, jealous dipshit who supposedly has a family he’s responsible for but instead obsessively trolls a chat bored devoted to '80s space-fantasy obscurantism not knowing the diff btwn “saying” and “typing” and then threadcrapping with a non-responsive, non sequitur ad hominem and then typing “lol”.

Plus, I never claimed to be a “grown man” (sexist much, btw—is that “girl talk” or something?).
I’m a meta-sentient incorporeal cyber-imp.

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Darth Id said:

TV’s Frink said:

Lol at a supposed grown man saying things like “diff.”

Lulz @ some bitter, jealous dipshit who supposedly has a family he’s responsible for but instead obsessively trolls a chat bored devoted to '80s space-fantasy obscurantism not knowing the diff btwn “saying” and “typing” and then threadcrapping with a non-responsive, non sequitur ad hominem and then typing “lol”.

Plus, I never claimed to be a “grown man” (sexist much, btw—is that “girl talk” or something?).
I’m a meta-sentient incorporeal cyber-imp.

Get a room.

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Darth Id said:

dahmage said:

SilverWook said:

Sort of. A deleted AOTC scene featured looping holographic images on the walls.


thank god that was cut

Don’t really think it made a diff in the final equation…
But lol at Puddle’s Reno nightmare getup.

I thought it was a nice little scene that gave some needed dimensions to our heroes. Probably a bit too slow for the frenetic pace of a Star Wars film. Now that I think about it, I could see Frink utterly destroy it by having Padme explain she wiped out the entire race of cute aliens with her bad headcold or something.

As I was just in Reno, nobody was dressed like Padme that I could see. 😉

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Frank your Majesty said:

Cthulhunicron said:

Leia remembers her real mother for the same reason I remember my grandfather who died when I was very young.

“Very young”, like 10 minutes old?

No, he died when I was 7. It’s never stated in ROTJ how old Leia was when her mother died.

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Luke and Leia being related was a cheap story fix to tie up the loose ends in ROTJ originally. Then when ROTS came around they were already backed into a corner with killing off Padme.

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If you read the RotJ novelization, it states clearly during the Obi-wan scene that Leia was taken to Alderaan by her mother, and that her mother lived there with her for a while, dying when Leia was a few years old.

In this context, Leia’s ability to remember her is suddenly much more plausible. It also says that when Vader turned to the dark side and joined the Emperor, he had no idea his wife was pregnant — indicating that his turn happened for quite different reasons. And before anyone tries to discount the validity of the novelization as a source, remember that it was based closely on the film script and contains quite a bit of dialog that was written by Kasdan and Lucas but never actually made the final cut of the movie.

So even though these details aren’t in the movie itself, they are nonetheless quite important to the backstory context the film-makers had in mind while working on it. I’ve been aware of them ever since reading the novelization when I was 9. I fully expected that the prequels would adhere to them, and was extremely disappointed when I realized the extent of lazy revisionism that was going on.

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hairy_hen said:

I fully expected that the prequels would adhere to them, and was extremely disappointed when I realized the extent of lazy revisionism that was going on.

Extend that to include the EU, and those were my thoughts as well.