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What Darth_Ender said.
HotRod's Playgroud - The thread where he can be a hypocrite, a bigot, and a jerk without screwing around with other people's threads — Page 5
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HotRod said:
Warbler said:
HotRod said:
You all calmed down yet?
Jeez, I phrased a few things incorrectly (blame the bottle of red for that) and I get accused of all kinds of things. What I said was true, the way I said it could have been better!!
no what you about the majority of Priests being child molesters is false. There are some Priests that are child molesters, but not the majority.
Prove it
My experience indicates that such priests are in the minority.
Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases#Prevalence
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HotRod said:
Warbler said:
HotRod said:
You all calmed down yet?
Jeez, I phrased a few things incorrectly (blame the bottle of red for that) and I get accused of all kinds of things. What I said was true, the way I said it could have been better!!
no what you about the majority of Priests being child molesters is false. There are some Priests that are child molesters, but not the majority.
Prove it
You're the one who made the claim that most priests are child molestors, so the burden of proof's on your shoulders, not his.
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Warbler said:
What Darth_Ender said.
That's all you ever say. Or not say
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RicOlie_2 said:
Warbler said:
Bingowings said:
I'm also not going to keep my mouth shut when the Gay Cure shit is peddled too.
It's blatantly a lie and totally invented by crooks and swindlers.
Yeah he shouldn't have brought up the gay cure stuff.
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have. I don't even know for sure if it's possible, I just saw all the supposed evidence for it and thought it was plausible, so I based my statements on that.
But this is ok?
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HotRod said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Warbler said:
Bingowings said:
I'm also not going to keep my mouth shut when the Gay Cure shit is peddled too.
It's blatantly a lie and totally invented by crooks and swindlers.
Yeah he shouldn't have brought up the gay cure stuff.
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have. I don't even know for sure if it's possible, I just saw all the supposed evidence for it and thought it was plausible, so I based my statements on that.
But this is ok?
I believe sexual reorientation is ethical, though I don't believe anyone should be forced to do it, but I think that if they want to make that choice, they should be able to (though they should be informed of any harmful consequences that may occur).
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People self-reorientate all the time. "BUG" and "GUG". It's true that the people who sink deep into that lifestyle are very difficult to recover. We're talking about the most intense sexual stimulation and the prospect of never finding someone of the opposite gender to provide that. Women tend to have expectations that homosexual men never try to impose. It's no wonder that the relapse rate is overwhelming.
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HotRod just wanna have fun.
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darth_ender said:
celibacy
Some churches say that, but the bible NEVER in the new testament commands anyone to be celibate. Never. Not priests, not teachers, nobody. The old testament might, but that's for judaism not christianity. But anyways, that was off topic of me, but I felt it important...
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Possessed said:
darth_ender said:
celibacy
Some churches say that, but the bible NEVER in the new testament commands anyone to be celibate. Never. Not priests, not teachers, nobody. The old testament might, but that's for judaism not christianity. But anyways, that was off topic of me, but I felt it important...
Celibacy in the Catholic Church is only a discipline that allows priests to focus all their attention on God and their parish. Also, in my Church, the Bible isn't considered the highest authority. Priests in other rites of the Roman Catholic Church can be married when they are ordained, and this is possible for converts to the Catholic Church as well. In my religion it doesn't matter if it doesn't say something in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that everything must be based on Scripture so I don't believe that.
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RicOlie_2 said:
Possessed said:
darth_ender said:
celibacy
Some churches say that, but the bible NEVER in the new testament commands anyone to be celibate. Never. Not priests, not teachers, nobody. The old testament might, but that's for judaism not christianity. But anyways, that was off topic of me, but I felt it important...
Celibacy in the Catholic Church is only a discipline that allows priests to focus all their attention on God and their parish. Also, in my Church, the Bible isn't considered the highest authority. Priests in other rites of the Roman Catholic Church can be married when they are ordained, and this is possible for converts to the Catholic Church as well. In my religion it doesn't matter if it doesn't say something in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that everything must be based on Scripture so I don't believe that.
My only problem with that idea is that if it's not in the bible, it's something a person made up. Sure, many believe that the entire bible is made up by a person. But I, and many don't believe that. I'm sure you don't believe that either. So my problem is that if it isn't from the bible, you're putting your trust in something somebody came up with, not in God.
(PS. The bible talks about a time when all continents on the earth were together as one. the idea of pangea. It's in the bible. Also that the earth is round. Well they didn't have globes back then, it's not like they could just look at the landforms and say "Hey, they fit together like a puzzle. Teehee." So how did they know? Hmm...")
But anyway. As long as things are taken as 'advice', I have no problem with that. What I have problems with is when humans say something HAS to be that way. Something MUST be that way, or it's wrong. What is absolutely right or wrong we don't have the authority to dictate. Advice on what we should do to better live our lives is different, of course. But when you absolutely FORBID somebody to have a mate in order to fit into a (usually man-made) position with no basis in scripture, well I disagree.
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Where is "Bible only" found in the Bible?
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I'm not saying everything you yourself do has to be in the bible. I'm saying you can't tell OTHERS how to live their lives based on something you (or someone) made up.
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Possessed said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Possessed said:
darth_ender said:
celibacy
Some churches say that, but the bible NEVER in the new testament commands anyone to be celibate. Never. Not priests, not teachers, nobody. The old testament might, but that's for judaism not christianity. But anyways, that was off topic of me, but I felt it important...
Celibacy in the Catholic Church is only a discipline that allows priests to focus all their attention on God and their parish. Also, in my Church, the Bible isn't considered the highest authority. Priests in other rites of the Roman Catholic Church can be married when they are ordained, and this is possible for converts to the Catholic Church as well. In my religion it doesn't matter if it doesn't say something in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that everything must be based on Scripture so I don't believe that.
My only problem with that idea is that if it's not in the bible, it's something a person made up. Sure, many believe that the entire bible is made up by a person. But I, and many don't believe that. I'm sure you don't believe that either. So my problem is that if it isn't from the bible, you're putting your trust in something somebody came up with, not in God.
(PS. The bible talks about a time when all continents on the earth were together as one. the idea of pangea. It's in the bible. Also that the earth is round. Well they didn't have globes back then, it's not like they could just look at the landforms and say "Hey, they fit together like a puzzle. Teehee." So how did they know? Hmm...")
But anyway. As long as things are taken as 'advice', I have no problem with that. What I have problems with is when humans say something HAS to be that way. Something MUST be that way, or it's wrong. What is absolutely right or wrong we don't have the authority to dictate. Advice on what we should do to better live our lives is different, of course. But when you absolutely FORBID somebody to have a mate in order to fit into a (usually man-made) position with no basis in scripture, well I disagree.
What Reegar said.
Also, I believe that God speaks through the Pope and the Magisterium, so it isn't just coming from humans. The scriptural basis for this is found most prominently in Matthew 16:15-17 (I think it ends at seventeen):
"Jesus said to them, 'But who do you say that I am?' Simon Peter said in reply, 'You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God.' Jesus said to him in reply, 'Blessed are you Simon son of Jonah [or John]. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you alone, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the netherworld [or hell] will not prevail against it."
Please ask further questions on my Catholicism thread so we don't drag this one off topic.
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HotRod. Come out and play again.
Push me on the swing, please.
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We've truly come a long way since Orwell.
WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH and MARRIAGE IS TWO BELLIGERANT DEVIANTS OBSESSED WITH RUBBING EACH OTHER'S CRAP ON THEIR DING-DONGS.
Your Welcome :)