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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend


Equate it to someone who is forced to have the children from a rape.


Uh, these were the children from the man she loved and married. Somebody in whom her last words confirmed she believed there was still good. That's about as far from a rape victim as you can get.

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those DVDs just don't exist and neither do the PTs


Amen. I don't own any of the prequels, either. I'll rent Sith to see if it holds up enough on a small screen to be worth buying, but I think the theatrical release of Sith marks the earnest beginning of my Star Wars healing process ... and I can slowly forget that the prequels ever happened.


"I don't like it so I'll just ignore it."

That is such an immature arguement! The PT WAS made, like it or hate it, and the DVDs were altered, hate it or tolerate it... But you can't wish these changes away anymore than you can stop the suns from setting.


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I see nothing immature about claiming that the prequels don't exist to him. Forgetting about them is far more mature than going around bitching about them. It's his choice Chaltab, how exactly does it affect you? Let's see......it doesn't.


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I guess your right.

In the end, they're the ones bitter about it, not me.

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I personally have no problems with her dieing of a broken heart. Why in our own real history there are people that were diagnosed "died due to eating X number of eggs". So, I just attribute it to not knowing what really was wrong with her. Although, I don't see why he would get mad about Siddious lying to him. I mean if you join the darkside do you really expect your master to tell you the truth all the time?


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The new empire footage between vader and palpatine ruins the original ending of empire, because it is revealed earlier in the movie that vader is luke's father, so it wrecks the dark revelation "I AM YOUR FATHER!". The reason i'm saying this is imagine your seeing empire for the very first time, as their will be people doing being younger and newer to star wars, it gives away the ending of the movie making it anticlimatic. Not only that, originally we had to wait three years musing that vader lied to luke, only to find out the horrible revelation from yoda in jedi. The first movie IV made us trust obi-wan and like him, so we would be more willing to believe that old ben was telling the truth, and vader was lying. Revenge of the sith revealed that the jedi were all too willing to lie for their own agenda, and do immoral things to achieve their ends. Anakin was partially right that the jedi order was becoming corrupt, and after all he was being used for his gifts. So palpatine lied to him, a lie with a grain of truth.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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In the end, they're the ones bitter about it, not me.


I kept hitting "refresh" on my browser after I first read those posts ... I thought that maybe a server error was displaying messages from TheForce.net instead of from this site.

Oh well.

Seriously: lighten up. I'm allowed to dislike the prequels and the new Star Wars DVDs. I'm allowed to ignore them. I'm allowed not to buy them. I'm allowed to dismiss them as not part of the Star Wars canon. My life will be no less fullfilling for it. If I couldn't turn a blind eye to the prequels/new DVDs, my appreciation of the original films would be diminished, and then I really WOULD be bitter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this site IS about appreciating the original films, yes?

Anyhow ... skyjedi2005: although I think the new Palpatine dialogue clashes with the opening of Empire Strikes Back, I don't think it affects the way the end plays out. The only thing that detracts from the ending is the fact it now includes discarded footage from Return of the Jedi.



(oh and future reference, folks: I'm a 'she,' not a 'he.')


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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend


Equate it to someone who is forced to have the children from a rape.


Uh, these were the children from the man she loved and married. Somebody in whom her last words confirmed she believed there was still good. That's about as far from a rape victim as you can get.


The man she loved and married was dead and gone and had betrayed her. For that matter, he tried to kill her. She was so devastated by the changes in him, his complete 180, his hatred for everything she held above all else, that she no longer had the will to live. When Anakin turned on her, something in her died, much like when a rape victim is raped, something in them dies. Rape victims are able to go on, obviously and live productive lives, but the rape changes them. Now, picture a constant reminder of the horrible thing that has happened to them (rape/Anakin's betrayal). I just think she couldn't deal with that and 'gave up'. In the deleted dialogue from the film, Obi Wan tells her not to give up, the children need her. She replies she can't.
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I know all of you are debating the changes to ESB......I brought it up a while back myself....and am vehemently against that change.

But we're sort of missing the point here....

There was no need to change the OT at all in the first place....

The prequels should have been done correctly to fit in with the OT from the very beginning.
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Why??

As a member of FIGS it was my right to have Ian to appear in ESB.
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Why??

As a member of FIGS it was my right to have Ian to appear in ESB.



Ahhhhh....well....okay.....I do think Ian should be in that scene....BUT the dialogue and delivery STAYS THE SAME!!!

And that's it!!!! No more changes!!!!!!!!
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Well bloopers and some crap special effects could be fixed but that's all i want.
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
The new empire footage between vader and palpatine ruins the original ending of empire, because it is revealed earlier in the movie that vader is luke's father, so it wrecks the dark revelation "I AM YOUR FATHER!". The reason i'm saying this is imagine your seeing empire for the very first time, as their will be people doing being younger and newer to star wars, it gives away the ending of the movie making it anticlimatic. Not only that, originally we had to wait three years musing that vader lied to luke, only to find out the horrible revelation from yoda in jedi. The first movie IV made us trust obi-wan and like him, so we would be more willing to believe that old ben was telling the truth, and vader was lying.


I wish the dialog hadn't been changed either. . . just on principle. But how does the new dialog give any more away than the original dialog? He doesn't say that Luke is your son. He refers to "Anakin Skywalker" in the third person just as in the original ("the son of Skywalker"). And, I'm sorry, the line "how is that possible" could mean anything to anyone. It hardly says: "But I'm his father and I think Padme died before she had him!"

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Revenge of the sith revealed that the jedi were all too willing to lie for their own agenda, and do immoral things to achieve their ends.

The Jedi knew that a Sith was operating within the Chancellor's inner circle. How was it "immoral" of them to attempt to gain more information by requesting Anakin to report on Palpatine's doings and who he met with? They were trying to save the Republic, not the Order. Indeed, they even reluctantly realized that they might need to temporarily take control of the Senate until Palpatine's puppets were replaced by honest Senators. All of this is in the book, which is based on the screenplay by George Lucas. This "the Jedi deserved it" argument is getting sorta outta hand. I have no idea why our last few generations love to root for the bad guy so much.

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So palpatine lied to him, a lie with a grain of truth.

Again, he didn't know that Padme had died of a broken heart. . . how could he? He just knew that she died. He was telling Anakin what he thought was the truth. . . though he seemed to take pleasure in doing so. . .



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I just wish, I could wish them all away!!! LoL! These prequels will show there age far faster then the originals, I still think the originals blow the prequels away. No bloopers or special effects fixed just the originals thats all we want, and then we can all fade away into bolivia, or is it oblivion?
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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Originally posted by: fans own the trilogy
I just wish, I could wish them all away!!! LoL! These prequels will show there age far faster then the originals, I still think the originals blow the prequels away. No bloopers or special effects fixed just the originals thats all we want, and then we can all fade away into bolivia, or is it oblivion?
I'm with you on that.

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I can feel Star Wars (ANH) age every moment that passes by.
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005

The new empire footage between vader and palpatine ruins the original ending of empire, because it is revealed earlier in the movie that vader is luke's father, so it wrecks the dark revelation "I AM YOUR FATHER!".


If you ignore the PT, it is never established that Darth Vader is, in fact, Anakin Skywalker. Obi-Wan finally explains that truth to Luke when Luke returns to Dagobah in ROTJ. And the new dialog between Vader and Palpatine never reveals specifically that the rebel who destroyed the Death Star is, in fact, Vader's son. So up to the moment that Vader utters those words in TESB, he has no relationship to Anakin as far as the viewer is aware.

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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
The new empire footage between vader and palpatine ruins the original ending of empire, because it is revealed earlier in the movie that vader is luke's father, so it wrecks the dark revelation "I AM YOUR FATHER!".

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Revenge of the sith revealed that the jedi were all too willing to lie for their own agenda, and do immoral things to achieve their ends.


Where did either of these events take place? The new footage between Vader and Palp doesn't spoil the ending. It just makes no sense, because Vader is incredulous to the news that the young rebel who destroyed the Death Star is his son, when he's already been looking for him by name. This is a continuity error introduced by Lucas, plain and simple.

And where in ROTS are the Jedi lying for their own agenda?

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan

And where in ROTS are the Jedi lying for their own agenda?


As your mother always used to say, omission is just as bad as lying.
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Originally posted by: greencapt


They do! Here is a rare photo of the LAST LFL employee who DARED to say anything contrary to George Lucas:


That never happened. This photo of that employee being ... 'Enlightened' to the truth of his crime, was just released.. hehehe



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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan

And where in ROTS are the Jedi lying for their own agenda?


As your mother always used to say, omission is just as bad as lying.


Where are they omitting info?

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It's always startling to me how we can be told that the Sith lie and manipulate and turn friends against friends and cause confusion between good and evil. . . and we know that Palpatine is the Sith Lord. . . and yet people who have this odd attachment to Vader and or The Empire repeat Palpatine's propoganda talking points as though they are objective truths.

Seriously people. . . there are good guys and bad guys in this story. It's a very simple Good Vs Evil scenario. Stop trying to look more deeply into it than even Lucas intends. He never intended his audience to believe that the Jedi were evil. . . he only wanted you to understand how Anakin could be fooled into believing it. Palpatine obiously spouts twisted propoganda at Anakin in order to fool him. How odd is it that some people, even knowing this, buy into it as well, just as Anakin does.

You guys are aware that Vader is a villain, right?
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Lucas has revealed that the jedi had a hidden agenda when he commented on the films. He talked about how Luke was lied to believe he was training to get revenge on the man who killed his father, who killed his mentor obi wan. They were training him to kill his own father because yoda and obi wan could not bring themselves to destroy him. Lucas said his films are not as simple as people think, good vs. evil, and said he would show how a loved and loving person in the prequels could turn to evil. Their are a lot of grey areas, morality and perception. Lucas biggest message is the same one that is in world myth, and the bible that the darkness comes from within. That we enter the labyrinth to slay the monster, and find that the monster is within us. Star wars is more about inner struggle, than outer struggle.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Originally posted by: Stampid
I can feel Star Wars (ANH) age every moment that passes by.


There are far too many plot errors.
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