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Ripplin said:
Anchorhead said:

This board is also where I learned about the book The Secret History Of Star Wars - a very interesting read.

I know I haven't read that one. Thanks for the recommendation. Is it still in print?

 

 

It was actually written by one of the members here, and only went into publication late last year. You wont find it in brick and mortar stores, but amazon and Barnes&Noble.com sell it.

The US incarnation of Amazon currently has it for $26.37, which I promise you, it will be worth every penny of. (If you live across the pond, Amazon.co.uk has it for 24 quid! Ouch!)

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-History-Star-Wars/dp/0978465237/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241641745&sr=8-1

Pick it up along side J.W. Rinzler's The Making of Star Wars: The Definitive Story Behind the Original Film and you have yourself a bundle of Lucas loving action that will keep you awake well into the night... only slightly less kinky sounding.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Sluggo said:

Anchorhead, like the Bespin Ice Cream man, is one of a kind.

 

   ;-)

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skyjedi2005 said:

Haven't you been on these boards long enough to know that Anchorhead only likes star wars '77 as far as the films are concerned, without having to ask.  Or are you just being funny? lol.

Considering Anchorhead has reverence for the original film that started it all that Lucas has tried to destroy and bury, therefore Anchorhead is welcome here.  I agree that none of the sequels, prequels or whatever recreate the magic of the original film in 1977.  Though Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi oot versions come close, but the prequels are like a million miles short of that.

 

I think ROTJ and ESB recreate the magic of ANH, and surpass it in many ways. I'm not quite prepared to describe ANH as the weakest of the trilogy, but I come close. It's such a great film, but the other two (as I said) surpass it in many ways.

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AxiaEuxine said:

You havent seen empire in 12 years?!?! Im not trying to be rude here, honest but why exactly are you on these boards then?

Since you seem to be new around here;

I stumbled onto these boards several years ago while trying to find a way to transfer a Laserdisc of Star Wars onto DVD.  I had\have no interest in the SEs (never have seen them) or the prequels (saw only Phantom).  Little did I know, I wasn't alone in my quest for Star Wars77 unaltered - in fact, far from it.

After getting settled in here, I also learned about audio-grabbing software and sound-editing programs that I had been in search of.  I also dig the wit and insight around here.  There's real passion here for the originals and that's very refreshing in our disposable society these days.

My Star Wars universe was also expanded considerably after joining these boards.  Through the suggestion of one of the members, I was put back in touch with the NPR radio version of Star Wars, as well as a few EU novels. A tip of the hat to C3PX and a few others for that. 

This board is also where I learned about the book The Secret History Of Star Wars - a very interesting read. As someone who was present for the birth of the franchise, I found it nice to see that my memory of the articles & interviews - of what Star Wars was in 1977 - were not just my imagination. In fact, the book should be required reading for any fan.

Oh, and for the record - I don't dislike Empire, I just don't watch it terribly often.  It's when Lucas started shrinking the Star Wars universe, and I decided not to follow him.  It does, however, have some fantastic moments.  I think the scene where Luke is dangling below Cloud City - the atmosphere, the lighting, the tension, the overall feel - is one of the finest Star Wars moments there is.  And the asteroid field chase - brilliant in its idea and execution.  I'll end up getting a copy eventually.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to reading your posts about how the ships in the prequels have better cockpit controls than the ships in the original films.

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Also worth pointing out, Axia;

The way the members here don't berate me for my narrow focus is the most important reason for my being here. On every other board I've seen, I'd have been hung out to dry for my views. 

Thanks for that post, I was just surprised by the fact that you prefer SW in its 77ish only. But Im also surprised by the overwhelming dislike of RotJ on these boards as well.  If that makes sense. I honestly wasnt trying to berate you or anything. Far from it. As I am constantly having to defend my position on my Star Wars fandom I can certainly sympathise to having an unpopular opinion.

So if you or anyone else found my post offensive I would like to apologise.

 

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain.
"A myth is a religion in which no one any longer believes"...James Feibleman (1904-1987)
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I love Return of the Jedi from 1983, i would never say it was as good a Empire Strikes Back, god forbid that you would be burned at the stake by star wars fanboys,lol.

I love jedi enough that i tried to purchase a super 8mm print and i don't have a projector,lol.

I could never come up with the money for the Derann scope print before it was sold, my loss i suppose though the gout is a lazy mans substitute.  Seeing as i don't have a print or puggo's skills,lol.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I don't have any pictures but I heard (or read) that some of the ships and explosions behind Luke in ROTJ are made from chewing gum.

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Some of the ships in the Jedi space battle were indeed chewing gum. It would be tough to make an explosion out of gum, though.  I can see some ILM employee with a greenscreen hood over his head blowing a bubblegum bubble through it.  That is quality film-making.

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(Now it's post in the good thread...)

Revenge of the droid:

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/6605/jarjar.gif[/IMG]

 

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^^That clip just made my day. I've watched it for a few minutes enjoying jar-jar in pain. Is that wrong?:) I can easily see chewing gum being in ROTJ, and am still looking for the flying tennis shoe!

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He doesn't even look in pain. Barely even reacts. Pretty sure gungans don't have balls.

To me this represents much of what was wrong with TPM. Just another stupid infantile joke thrown into the poor PT.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I take it more like a joke from a CGI artist angry against this silly character he had to live with for months.

It's only half a second on screen, so it's not an obvious bad joke like when Jar Jar steps in poo. I mean it's so quick that you barely see it and it don't call for an audience laugh.

Lucas let it in the final cut though. So did HE think that it was really funny or did he give us a hint that he knew this character only deserves that treatment? Sadly I think I know the answer...

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C3PX said:

He doesn't even look in pain. Barely even reacts. Pretty sure gungans don't have balls.

To me this represents much of what was wrong with TPM. Just another stupid infantile joke thrown into the poor PT.

 

 Jar Jar has balls, its a little known fact that he's a masochist, that little tap by the pit droid is nothing to him.

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AxiaEuxine said:

As I am constantly having to defend my position on my Star Wars fandom.....

I don't defend my position on my fandom to anyone - and around here, I'm not asked to. 

Since 1977, I've followed & been a fan of the part of the franchise that moves me (the original film). The members here don't fault me for that.  They've also gone so far as to recommend things to me that fit in that original universe, story, & timeline.  Like I said before, there are some class acts around here.

 

So if you or anyone else found my post offensive I would like to apologise.

Not a problem.

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Anchorhead said:
AxiaEuxine said:

As I am constantly having to defend my position on my Star Wars fandom.....

I don't defend my position on my fandom to anyone - and around here, I'm not asked to. 

 

Neither is Axia, or any other PT fan around here. He just tends to take any criticism of the PT as some sort of personal attack. 

It would be like Anchorhead freaking out every time someone said that The Empire Strikes Back was better than Star Wars. 

Not writing this post to attack or complain about Axia, I am posting it to try to reassure him he doesn't need to feel like he has to defend himself for liking something just because not all the rest of us like it.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I think that a lot more people liked the prequels than people now want to admit to.  People went to see them multiple times in theaters and they made some serious cash for Lucas.  They were much more lucrative in the long run than the originals were.

Add on the home video sales and Lucas made a killing in terms of these being financially sucessful.  And these films do what popcorn films are supposed to do they entertained people for a couple hours in their boringly dismal lives. 

I have known kids who love these films.  They were made for a different generation.  Lucas knows his audience.

 

Adults in their 30's and 40's or even 20's are not going to enjoy films made for 9-12 year olds and 13 year olds for sith.

At the end of the day i think it is okay the new films were not made for me.  I am an adult.  The wrong such audience for childrens films.

I already know someone will come on and say the originals were for all ages.  Well at least star wars and empire strikes back were.  JEDI started the kiddie stuff with teddy bears beating the empire and celebrating as harrison said a teddybear picnic.

Really not all that suprising though even all the sequels to raiders of the lost ark got increasingly childish until the fourth film there is no peril and its like a warner bros Looney Tunes cartoon.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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on jar jar, he was he most annoying character. and that is provin' due to the fact the guy who did his voice and movements was freak'n annoying. i'm surprised the set crew didn't blow up at him.

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ROTJ producer Robert Watts

 

ROTJ director Richard Marquand

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I think it was a mini playboy magazine cover. Inside the blockade runner.  They show it in from star wars to indiana jones book.  Hard to see though it is so small.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

I think that a lot more people liked the prequels than people now want to admit to.  People went to see them multiple times in theaters and they made some serious cash for Lucas.  They were much more lucrative in the long run than the originals were.

Add on the home video sales and Lucas made a killing in terms of these being financially sucessful.  And these films do what popcorn films are supposed to do they entertained people for a couple hours in their boringly dismal lives. 

I have known kids who love these films.  They were made for a different generation.  Lucas knows his audience.

 

Adults in their 30's and 40's or even 20's are not going to enjoy films made for 9-12 year olds and 13 year olds for sith.

At the end of the day i think it is okay the new films were not made for me.  I am an adult.  The wrong such audience for childrens films.

I already know someone will come on and say the originals were for all ages.  Well at least star wars and empire strikes back were.  JEDI started the kiddie stuff with teddy bears beating the empire and celebrating as harrison said a teddybear picnic.

Really not all that suprising though even all the sequels to raiders of the lost ark got increasingly childish until the fourth film there is no peril and its like a warner bros Looney Tunes cartoon.

ROTJ was overall for all ages too, despite the ewoks. It's a kids' film, but it works for adults in a way the prequels don't. Sure, you have to be open-minded about the ewoks, but they're not all that terrible. Other than the ewoks, ROTJ is not kiddy in a way that would turn off adults. Whereas the prequels seem designed overall not just for kids but for STUPID kids. Lucas should have made the prequels so they'd work for all ages. Not doing so was a betrayal. 

Are you sure the prequels were more lucrative than the originals? Even if you calculate for money value changing over the decades since the time of the originals? I do know that they had a much weaker impact on kids.

I think the sequels to Raiders were an improvement on Raiders (except the most recent one). Raiders is actually a rather bland film. I get disappointed by it every time I watch it. And it doesn't use Ford's talents enough, nor does it fully exploit the humor inherent in the whole Indiana Jones thing. The only thing I love in that film is when Indy shoots the guy with the sword and the expression on Ford's face in that scene, which is priceless. Temple of Doom was a significant improvement on Raiders. The blandness was replaced with intensity and atmosphere and a strong sense of threat. And Last Crusade is the best of the Indy films. Here they finally realized that Indy stuff can't be taken seriously and fully exploited the potential for comedy. Sure, some of the comedy is childish, but it's good natured and there's plenty of good comedy too. It's a very positive film with a great sense of fun. Sean Connery is great in it and his interaction with Ford is marvellous. The villains may be the best in an Indy film (though Mola Ram was pretty menacing, with his heart-extraction thing and all). I love Byrne as Vogel, and General Veers Julian Glover is very good, much better than that annoying Belloq guy in Raiders. And Elsa Schneider is the best Indy film female. I agree that Indy 4 lacks a sense of peril. It has this bland plastic feel.

 

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I've got my marshmallows ready...

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for me, in order of preference, the Indy films are as such

 

Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Last Crusade, Temple of Doom, The Novels, The Comic Books, Chewing gum wrappers, something my alphabet soup might say, a box of used tampons and then very distantly that utter peice of crap Kingdom of the Why the Fuck Was This Movie Made or something like that.

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srry to burst ur bubble, but they're making another one.