Someone should stick the Stig into the Clone Wars scenes, he would be right at home with all those white helmets (though we mustnt forget the dreaded Black Stig of yesteryear).
A Top Gear take off of Power Rangers would also be cool.
The old Kenner Raiders "Well of Souls" playset had Artoo, Threepio, and Vader in the hieroglyphics too.
Where were you in '77?
Bingowings said:(though we mustnt forget the dreaded Black Stig of yesteryear)
Hey, he's only dreaded because he revealed his identity, right? We know who white Stig is, too. ;)
C3PX said:Gaffer Tape said:AxiaEuxine said:
ohhh gee thanks for pointing that out, thats gonna bug the shit out of me for the rest of my life. By the way Jedi Starfighters dont have frigging tape decks. PT cockpits for ftw.
Why? I'd much rather listen to music during my trench run if I had the opportunity!
Yeah me too. Much rather have some good tunes to listen to while fighting my battles than some fancy CG HUD displays that serves no purpose but to look pretty. Seems like the contrast of a glowing display with darkness of space outside your window would be horribly annoying. Seems like it would create a glare, and glares piss me off. Give me dimply lit knobs and dials any day of the century.
Hey, that's only good if you actually own cassettes! How do you know the PT display couldn't stream my itunes library? :)
Octorox said:C3PX said:Gaffer Tape said:AxiaEuxine said:
ohhh gee thanks for pointing that out, thats gonna bug the shit out of me for the rest of my life. By the way Jedi Starfighters dont have frigging tape decks. PT cockpits for ftw.
Why? I'd much rather listen to music during my trench run if I had the opportunity!
Yeah me too. Much rather have some good tunes to listen to while fighting my battles than some fancy CG HUD displays that serves no purpose but to look pretty. Seems like the contrast of a glowing display with darkness of space outside your window would be horribly annoying. Seems like it would create a glare, and glares piss me off. Give me dimply lit knobs and dials any day of the century.
Hey, that's only good if you actually own cassettes! How do you know the PT display couldn't stream my itunes library? :)
Screw iTunes! The last thing I need is the damn Apple logo glaring on my cockpit window while I am trying to blow Tie Fighters to bits. The cassette player will do fine. It was state of the art stuff when the movie came out. Even if you don't have casettes, all it takes is a PC or CD player and a tape deck with a recorder (they're very cheap these days). Just plug your PC into the thing, setup a 45 minute long playlist, and hit record. Flip the tape, set up another 45 minute play list, and presto! 90 minutes of your own lovely little tunes all set and ready to play in your X-Wing fighter. Now, all you need is the X-Wing (if you have any luck on that one, let me know, because I could really use one). Itunes, pah! Holo displays, pah! A true pilot craves not these things.
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SilverWook said:The old Kenner Raiders "Well of Souls" playset had Artoo, Threepio, and Vader in the hieroglyphics too.
Now that is some detail you have to respect!
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I like the little droid in Watto's shop kicking Jar Jar in the balls (right before the "hit the noise!" line). It's not really an hidden sequence but it's very short and almost unnoticeable at first view.
C3PX said:Gaffer Tape said:AxiaEuxine said:
ohhh gee thanks for pointing that out, thats gonna bug the shit out of me for the rest of my life. By the way Jedi Starfighters dont have frigging tape decks. PT cockpits for ftw.
Why? I'd much rather listen to music during my trench run if I had the opportunity!
Yeah me too. Much rather have some good tunes to listen to while fighting my battles than some fancy CG HUD displays that serves no purpose but to look pretty. Seems like the contrast of a glowing display with darkness of space outside your window would be horribly annoying. Seems like it would create a glare, and glares piss me off. Give me dimply lit knobs and dials any day of the century.
First off let me state that I adore, worship and love the OT. Becuase this post may make seem like I dont. I really wish whoever pointed out the tapedeck thing had not done that. That is just so lame. I dont know who decided that would be a good idea to put in there at the time but Id slp him if he/she was in front of me now.
as far as the fancy CG HUD display serving no purpose, that just seems silly. I think you are probably just saying that becuase you dont like them. The displays in the Jedi Starfighter seem straightforward and lend them selves to logical deductions about what they could be for. The Xwing hud is just a bunch of shit glued together that makes no sense and doesnt seem to serve any purpose. The below pic is labeled based on my own conclusions.
Now come on, which cockpit is more useful? Seems more logical.
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Star wars is about not show everything. What the heroes eat or drink, what fuel the ships burn, or usual phrases that indicates the real world ( ANH have them :( ) Compare it with the other sci fi films that say and explain everything i believe star wars had/has this success because most of the things never explained.
-Angel
I don't think that PT explains how everything works but it just makes sense for a pilot to have this type of data when flying a craft. Its just insane to argue against their placement in a cockpit. The cockpits never bothered me in the OT for 30+ years but this damn conversation has me taking a serious look at them and they are starting to seem silly.
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"Now come on, which cockpit is more useful? Seems more logical."
First off, you are looking at a screen shot of the entire cockpit of the Jedi starfighter, and a zoomed in shot of one part of the X-Wing cockpit.
I couldn't possibly tell you what those knobs in the X-Wing cockpit were for, and even if the information explaining it to me was out there somewhere (probably is), I really couldn't care less to bother looking it up to find out. The whole point is to look high tech and alien. I think that was well accomplished. Why be bothered by the tape deck? When the movie was made the prop guys certainly didn't dream people would ever have the ability to freeze frame and capture images with such detail they'd be able to see what it is. It just there to add more detail to the cockpit. It is a movie, a work of fiction. It is filled with props and sets, actors and puppets. None of it is real. So what, the prop guys used a cassette player to add flare to the cockpit. Why should that bother you or distract you in anyway while watching the film?
"as far as the fancy CG HUD display serving no purpose, that just seems silly. I think you are probably just saying that becuase you dont like them."
I meant it serves no purpose having an CG HUD, because you don't need one, all that is done with the fancy glowing displays can be done with real hardwired displays. The best purpose it serves is to make the SW universe look like it is taking massive leaps backwards in science and technology, when twenty years ago the standard were holo display screens, and in the future they are knobs and lights. Not even the fancy Imperial Star Destroyers have the fancy displays their earlier generation models had. That is just silly. And again, the whole glare thing. I shudder to think. Also, what happens if your ship gets damaged to a degree where your holo projectors (or whatever they are called) go off line. Oops! My controls disapeared!! You've got steering and that is probably about it.
You are right, I don't like the Jedi Starfighter. For a sci-fi ship it is cool enough, but it just doesn't feel like a Star Wars ship to me. I always loved the SW ships and would do everything I could to find detailed pictures of the models and diagrams of the ships when I was a kid. I'd even pull out pencil and paper and draw out blueprints for my own SW style ships. They had a really unique look and feel to them compared to many other sci-fi ships. The flashing lights and knobs really worked great, reminded me much more of real airplane cockpits, only more alien. The PT ships don't. They are just your generic sci-fi rocketships. All a bunch of wedges with fins. Get a class room full a little kids, and ask them all to use their imagination and draw a picture of a spaceship, I'd bet you 80% of the kids would draw wedge shaped ships with fins. Nothing wrong with the PT ships being finned wedges really, it just comes off as very unimaginative to me. The most interesting ships in the PT to me are the Naboo Fighter and the podracers, and maybe Darth Maul's ship. And the little fighters Obi-Wan and Anakin are in at the beginning of ROTS with the ion engines, (though with things like buzz droids in the scene, and CG clone troopers, it is hard to admire the ships in peace for very long). None of the other ships in the PT strike me as anything more than more of the same.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
is there an indiana jones look a like somewhere in the tatooine scenes in phantom menace?
its something i heard, but i've haven't managed to find.
TMBTM said:I like the little droid in Watto's shop kicking Jar Jar in the balls (right before the "hit the noise!" line). It's not really an hidden sequence but it's very short and almost unnoticeable at first view.
It kicks Jar Jar in the balls? Cool! Wait, does Jar Jar HAVE balls?
C3PX said:"Now come on, which cockpit is more useful? Seems more logical."
First off, you are looking at a screen shot of the entire cockpit of the Jedi starfighter, and a zoomed in shot of one part of the X-Wing cockpit.
I couldn't possibly tell you what those knobs in the X-Wing cockpit were for, and even if the information explaining it to me was out there somewhere (probably is), I really couldn't care less to bother looking it up to find out. The whole point is to look high tech and alien. I think that was well accomplished. Why be bothered by the tape deck? When the movie was made the prop guys certainly didn't dream people would ever have the ability to freeze frame and capture images with such detail they'd be able to see what it is. It just there to add more detail to the cockpit. It is a movie, a work of fiction. It is filled with props and sets, actors and puppets. None of it is real. So what, the prop guys used a cassette player to add flare to the cockpit. Why should that bother you or distract you in anyway while watching the film?
Becuase its a frigging tape deck, a common easy to identify item, you might as well have put a blender in there. Its distracting.
"as far as the fancy CG HUD display serving no purpose, that just seems silly. I think you are probably just saying that becuase you dont like them."
I meant it serves no purpose having an CG HUD, because you don't need one, all that is done with the fancy glowing displays can be done with real hardwired displays. The best purpose it serves is to make the SW universe look like it is taking massive leaps backwards in science and technology, when twenty years ago the standard were holo display screens, and in the future they are knobs and lights. Not even the fancy Imperial Star Destroyers have the fancy displays their earlier generation models had. That is just silly.
Its all about the state of the galaxy at the two times. The galaxy is being oppressed at the time of the OT. Its not being oppressed at the timne of the PT. Holographic technology is available in the OT its just not as readilly available. Its too expensive for the rebels to use for everything and its not in tiefighters becuase they are massed produced and expendable, just like their soldiers.
And again, the whole glare thing. I shudder to think.
Im sorry my mockup bothered you so much but window glare just makes sense, it exists in reality and was glad of its presence in the PT and it should be added to the OT IMO.
Also, what happens if your ship gets damaged to a degree where your holo projectors (or whatever they are called) go off line. Oops! My controls disapeared!! You've got steering and that is probably about it.
Yes well they are being flown by Jedi, most would be just fine without them.
You are right, I don't like the Jedi Starfighter. For a sci-fi ship it is cool enough, but it just doesn't feel like a Star Wars ship to me. I always loved the SW ships and would do everything I could to find detailed pictures of the models and diagrams of the ships when I was a kid. I'd even pull out pencil and paper and draw out blueprints for my own SW style ships. They had a really unique look and feel to them compared to many other sci-fi ships. The flashing lights and knobs really worked great, reminded me much more of real airplane cockpits, only more alien. The PT ships don't. They are just your generic sci-fi rocketships. All a bunch of wedges with fins.
Umm you mean like the design brilliance of a Star Destroyer? A large triangle if I recall. A tie fighter? A ball and a couple fins. An Xwing? An x and a tube. The Falcon? A circle and some flanges. You get my point. Dont get me wrong. I love the OT design, The first Jedi Starfighter put in mind of a Star Destroyer immediately so it reminded me of the OT. I loved it.
Get a class room full a little kids, and ask them all to use their imagination and draw a picture of a spaceship, I'd bet you 80% of the kids would draw wedge shaped ships with fins. Nothing wrong with the PT ships being finned wedges really, it just comes off as very unimaginative to me. The most interesting ships in the PT to me are the Naboo Fighter and the podracers, and maybe Darth Maul's ship. And the little fighters Obi-Wan and Anakin are in at the beginning of ROTS with the ion engines, (though with things like buzz droids in the scene, and CG clone troopers, it is hard to admire the ships in peace for very long).
The updated Jedi Starfighter in ROTS is my favorite starfighter design in the entire Saga. I LOVE that ship. I also really like the Naboo Starfighter. Not sure whats wrong with Buzz droids and the CG fighters look so much better than models. All one has to do is look at the comparisons between the original Xwings and the SE Xwings to clearly see that.
None of the other ships in the PT strike me as anything more than more of the same.
well at least you saved a shitload of money buying Star Wars toys. Me all I got was cvontinued enjoyment of the best films of all time.
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Vaderisnothayden said:TMBTM said:I like the little droid in Watto's shop kicking Jar Jar in the balls (right before the "hit the noise!" line). It's not really an hidden sequence but it's very short and almost unnoticeable at first view.
It kicks Jar Jar in the balls? Cool! Wait, does Jar Jar HAVE balls?
:) I'll try to make an animated gif out of it when I have the time.
AxiaEuxine said:
Now come on, which cockpit is more useful? Seems more logical.
True enough. But then, on the other hand, the OT design looks to be more mechanically-driven, while the PT design seems more electronic/software-driven. Hence, with the sleeker Vista-powered Jedi Starfighters, you've probably got a pretty good chance of hitting two buttons at the same time, confusing the system, and ending up with this:
Then you're pretty much screwed.
With the X-wing design, even if your system gets horribly mangled and strands you in deep space, you'll probably be ok as long as you've got a toolkit, a roll of duct tape, some spare WD-40, and a little mechanical know-how.
But no one - I repeat, no one - wants to be stranded in a remote region by the blue screen of death. From that horrifying hell of a monstrosity, there is no recovery.
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C3PX said:It is a movie, a work of fiction. It is filled with props and sets, actors and puppets. None of it is real. So what, the prop guys used a cassette player to add flare to the cockpit. Why should that bother you or distract you in anyway while watching the film?
The best purpose it serves is to make the SW universe look like it is taking massive leaps backwards in science and technology, when twenty years ago the standard were holo display screens, and in the future they are knobs and lights.
....but it just doesn't feel like a Star Wars ship to me.
Finally - the voice of reason.
And I agree, the "technology" in the prequel trilogy doesn't fit at all with the original trilogy. It's one of several things that make it impossible (for me) to buy the story. The two universes - Original & prequel - don't feel even remotely connected.
Back on topic; I haven't seen Empire in about 12 years, but in the scene where everyone is evacuating the cloud city, is there someone running with an ice cream maker? A friend of mine always tried to point it out, but I never got a good look at it.
You havent seen empire in 12 years?!?! Im not trying to be rude here, honest but why exactly are you on these boards then?
oh and Ice Cream maker guy...
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Haven't you been on these boards long enough to know that Anchorhead only likes star wars '77 as far as the films are concerned, without having to ask. Or are you just being funny? lol.
Considering Anchorhead has reverence for the original film that started it all that Lucas has tried to destroy and bury, therefore Anchorhead is welcome here. I agree that none of the sequels, prequels or whatever recreate the magic of the original film in 1977. Though Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi oot versions come close, but the prequels are like a million miles short of that.
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hunh, I must have missed that somewhere. Ive never met a Star Wars fan that didnt like Empire.
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Anchorhead, like the Bespin Ice Cream man, is one of a kind.
Most of the SW movies have the 1138 reference in them. I have forgetten if there is a 1138 reference in Episode III. Anyone remember?
AxiaEuxine said:You havent seen empire in 12 years?!?! Im not trying to be rude here, honest but why exactly are you on these boards then?
oh and Ice Cream maker guy...
LOL, it is funny hearing the person who seems to hold the PT superior to the OT but yet posts at OT.com questioning the 1977 only guy about his validity of being here. You are the one who thinks the SE is better than the OT, yet you are at a site that exists for the preservation of the originals. To adapt a popular analogy, this is like the pot calling the ceramic white tea pot black.
Anchorheads 1977 SW is part of the OT. It makes perfect sense the guy would want support such a cause, even though he only wants 1/3rd of what the rest of us are after.
Wow, I never noticed that was an ice cream maker before! I always thought it was a helmet. That is funny. More reasons for me to love that film. I have that guy's SWCCG card too.
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Actually, I'd like to see a good ANH and ESB release. ROTJ can rot on Mustafar for all I care.
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AxiaEuxine said:You havent seen empire in 12 years?!?! Im not trying to be rude here, honest but why exactly are you on these boards then?
Since you seem to be new around here;
I stumbled onto these boards several years ago while trying to find a way to transfer a Laserdisc of Star Wars onto DVD. I had\have no interest in the SEs (never have seen them) or the prequels (saw only Phantom). Little did I know, I wasn't alone in my quest for Star Wars77 unaltered - in fact, far from it.
After getting settled in here, I also learned about audio-grabbing software and sound-editing programs that I had been in search of. I also dig the wit and insight around here. There's real passion here for the originals and that's very refreshing in our disposable society these days.
My Star Wars universe was also expanded considerably after joining these boards. Through the suggestion of one of the members, I was put back in touch with the NPR radio version of Star Wars, as well as a few EU novels. A tip of the hat to C3PX and a few others for that.
This board is also where I learned about the book The Secret History Of Star Wars - a very interesting read. As someone who was present for the birth of the franchise, I found it nice to see that my memory of the articles & interviews - of what Star Wars was in 1977 - were not just my imagination. In fact, the book should be required reading for any fan.
Oh, and for the record - I don't dislike Empire, I just don't watch it terribly often. It's when Lucas started shrinking the Star Wars universe, and I decided not to follow him. It does, however, have some fantastic moments. I think the scene where Luke is dangling below Cloud City - the atmosphere, the lighting, the tension, the overall feel - is one of the finest Star Wars moments there is. And the asteroid field chase - brilliant in its idea and execution. I'll end up getting a copy eventually.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to reading your posts about how the ships in the prequels have better cockpit controls than the ships in the original films.
*edit*
Also worth pointing out, Axia;
The way the members here don't berate me for my narrow focus is the most important reason for my being here. On every other board I've seen, I'd have been hung out to dry for my views.
Anchorhead said:This board is also where I learned about the book The Secret History Of Star Wars - a very interesting read.
I know I haven't read that one. Thanks for the recommendation. Is it still in print?
