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Hiro seemed pretty surprised...

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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Man, I'm so excited I can hardly stand it!!

Have there been any hints on the show about what season 2 might hold?
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Yeah. A villain worse than Sylar [aka - the boogeyman]. according to Molly Walker.
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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
Yeah. A villain worse than Sylar [aka - the boogeyman]. according to Molly Walker.


Sylar is the Boogeyman.

Harrison Ford Has Pretty Much Given Up on His Son. Here's Why

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I was glad to have watched my daughter's TIVO'd cartoon this morning, as the recording was glitchy. That told me our plant-covered patio cover was growing over the Dish again, so I went out to cut it. I'd have been pissed if I wasn't able to record the show tonight.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Ey Sluggo, What about a 'Heroes' Video contest in the wait between seasons?

Sorry Dinkins, What I Implied and how it came across didn't quite match after re-reading. Yes Sylar is aka the boogeyman. And there's someone who scares Molly more than he.

Oh yes, Spoilers be here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8Dn24aMPY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d1jAkXQAh4


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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I was glad to have watched my daughter's TIVO'd cartoon this morning, as the recording was glitchy. That told me our plant-covered patio cover was growing over the Dish again, so I went out to cut it. I'd have been pissed if I wasn't able to record the show tonight.


LOL! Glitchy cartoons to the rescue!
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Season finale.



Wow... That was almost perfect but...







Why did Nathan and Peter fly away and die... If Claire had jsut shot Peter, Nathan would have survived and Peter would have regenerated.

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I'll say this much. It wasn't what I was expecting at all. It was...different.

A few questions:

-Why were Parkman and Ando so obsessed with going on what was obviously a suicide mission? I'm not sure what Sylar was doing to Ando before Hiro showed up, and Parkman got three bullets in the midsection, so as far as I see it, they're both idiots.
-What's up with Richard Roundtree's character (Charles) yammering on about love and not bothering to explain what the hell is going on? He says something to the effect of, "Does it matter why you're here? The important thing is you're here." So..Peter has the ability to have flashbacks now....?
-Why DIDN'T Claire shoot Peter? Doesn't he still have a regenerative ability? Couldn't she have kept the bullet in his head until they figured out some way to control the power, or moved him to another place? Or better yet, why didn't Peter just fly out himself? Is it because of the nuclear power superseding all other abilities?
-So, Sylar didn't bother to TK Hiro when getting impaled? He didn't bother to stop Hiro, even though he's acting so smug and confident and sees Hiro right in front of him?
-I guess there was not a single person in Kirby Plaza that night, save for all the main characters?
-Why bother stalling with a cliffhanger? Of course Peter is still alive, as he can regenerate, AND is still alive in the possible future (as seen in Five Years Later/String Theory). And what about D.L.? Wasn't he practically dead in the beginning of this episode? Now he's able to walk around without feeling much pain?
-Here's a thought: in the last episode, Candice (the shapeshifter) alluded to being a different shape entirely, as suggested by her comments/actions about being fat. Yet, here, when she morphs back to her natural form, it's still an illusion? Huh? What was with the dialogue in the last episode, then?
-Again, with the goddamn "don't bother to check if Sylar's dead" situations. First it was Mohinder taking Peter out of his apartment, and not bothering to shoot Sylar again, now it's everyone being present when Sylar gets knifed, and no one bothers to check if he's dead? Then, if he already has the power of a cockroach (see episode with him faking his death), why does he need Claire's brain anyway?

However, I really liked:

-the reveal of Mr. Bennett's first name (which makes his role in Five Years Later/String Theory all the more ironic)
-the throwback to the pilot episode with Claire's swandive
-Hiro saving Ando, and their subsequent dialogue back at the Japanese workfarm
-the foreshadowing of the villain, as indicated by Molly
-the fact that Niki/Jessica actually did something really useful for a change (wailing on Sylar)
-Nathan doing the right thing, and helping his brother out (although, how Claire factors into this with the whole "save the cheerleader, save all of us" thing, especially since she had NO involvement at all in the final fight with Sylar is still anyone's guess)
-the fact that Nathan doesn't even care that Linderman's dead
-the ending, which I admit has me jazzed for the next season
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Okay I just finished watching the finale - with friends so I didn't give it my FULL attention. I'll check it out again tomorrow after work I guess.

The Charles stuff strayed into 'matrix 2 architect' territory for a moment there which was a worry. Maybe they were just planting more seeds for season 2 ala "there's someone worse than Sylar."

If i recall correctly Peter told Nathan that he couldn't control the power, then he said he couldn't do anything. I guess the only options to save the city were move him or shoot him. Although it might be possible that shooting him would not have the effect they were hoping for. What I'm wondering is what happened after liftoff....Did Nathan let him go and retreat to a safe distance? We know he can move around up there pretty quickly.

Re: Candace - it was probably just to have the audience quickly understand what's happening and move on. If she morphed to an apearance we hadn't seen before people would be confused and start up with new crackpot theories.

the reveal of Mr. Bennett's first name - I certainly missed that...What was it?

Claire convinced Nathan to act, Without Claire Nathan probably would have let peter die. And also Claire being alive prevents sylar using her ability so that hiro could stab him. Granted Sylar has retreated to fight another day - But hey he didn't explode so thats a plus.

At the point when Nathan learned of Linderman's death he was probably more relieved than anything else - he wanted the man dead. He had a best of both worlds scenario, His puppeteer in things political was gone and he still attained his position of power.

So the major talking points afterwards were of course no one checking on Sylar - or even noticing the blood trail. And Nikki actually doing something cool.


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crazyrabbits, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who was underhelmed.

What's up with Richard Roundtree's character (Charles) yammering on about love and not bothering to explain what the hell is going on? He says something to the effect of, "Does it matter why you're here? The important thing is you're here." So..Peter has the ability to have flashbacks now....?

Agreed. It as not explained well, and served no purpose.

-Why DIDN'T Claire shoot Peter? Doesn't he still have a regenerative ability? Couldn't she have kept the bullet in his head until they figured out some way to control the power, or moved him to another place? Or better yet, why didn't Peter just fly out himself? Is it because of the nuclear power superseding all other abilities?

My thoughts exactly. Nathan's suicide was completely unnecessary. He should at least have said something about not wanting to live because of all the deaths he was going to allow to happen, but even that was pushing it for motive.

"-So, Sylar didn't bother to TK Hiro when getting impaled? He didn't bother to stop Hiro, even though he's acting so smug and confident and sees Hiro right in front of him?"

You must be reading my mind.

-I guess there was not a single person in Kirby Plaza that night, save for all the main characters?


For all the millions of lives in New York that were at stake, you'd think we would have seen ONE !?! It looked like they were on a soundstage.

-Again, with the goddamn "don't bother to check if Sylar's dead" situations. First it was Mohinder taking Peter out of his apartment, and not bothering to shoot Sylar again, now it's everyone being present when Sylar gets knifed, and no one bothers to check if he's dead? Then, if he already has the power of a cockroach (see episode with him faking his death), why does he need Claire's brain anyway?


Yep. Hiro should have pulled his blade and then spun around and sliced him in half.

It's like the writers carefully set up all these careful rules and situations, and then at the last second decided to change things around for the sake of the finale. I mean, yeah, the future is changeable, but up until this point, all the paintings have shown the future (except, perhaps, for the one I pointed out with Claire.) If the future was changed, when, why and how did it become possible? There's no continuity here. They didn't even use a carefullly designed interpretation of an exisiting painting. All that foretelling as a plot device ultimately was for naught when it was most important.

(although, how Claire factors into this with the whole "save the cheerleader, save all of us" thing, especially since she had NO involvement at all in the final fight with Sylar is still anyone's guess)


Well, as you pointed out earlier, without her, Sylar is still vulnerable, though apparently ultimately unnecessary as well based on the finale. These guys really wrote themselves into a corner.

The Charles stuff strayed into 'matrix 2 architect' territory for a moment there which was a worry. Maybe they were just planting more seeds for season 2 ala "there's someone worse than Sylar."


I doubt it. I think they were just trying to lend credence to Nathan's final act, and it fell flat. Although I will say, I always wondered why Peter didn't figure out ahead of time that he would just fly himself out of New York when he felt he was going to blow.

Anyways, this finale just had too many holes and WTF's to impress me. All the episodes prior were so cleanly and tightly written, that this feels like someone completely new to the story wrote it.

And I've been waiting for Nikki to kick ass as well.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Anyone else think Peter's mom is hot?
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Well, as you pointed out earlier, without her, Sylar is still vulnerable, though apparently ultimately unnecessary as well based on the finale. These guys really wrote themselves into a corner.

Anyways, this finale just had too many holes and WTF's to impress me. All the episodes prior were so cleanly and tightly written, that this feels like someone completely new to the story wrote it.


I just got through with it, and I was impressed with the possibilities, but also somewhat disappointed as well with the direction of the culmination of the characters. I think why this one was so much different is that I read somewhere that each character as their own writer who is writing only their story. They then sit down and combine the stories to make the whole episode. Whereas, with this episode all the writers had to really conform to each other and that proved a little challenging for them it seems.
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Random thoughts:

I really liked the 'flashback' scene with Peter and Simone's father. Not sure how it happened, but that's not a big deal. The unconditional love that Peter had contrasted well with Sylar's possible suicidal motive to explode. One of the things that struck me in this episode was the resignation to fate that the characters had. Sylar knew he was going to die (you can argue with me all you want on this) so he made Peter go nuclear before allowing Hiro to stab him.

Kirby Square or what ever it was called did seem a bit empty, but I'm choosing to think that the Company had it blocked off from the public so they wouldn't interfere with the explosion. I did like the sculpture there as well. Certian shots of it from the side looked like a little mushroom cloud.

Noah. That's awesome.

I wonder if Peter can only use one power at a time? Is this why he didn't fly away himself. I'm hoping the brothers Pittrelli survived.

Slyar, judging from the blood on the pavement, is dead. It seems like he was dragged towards that manhole.

I am really excited to see Hiro's adventures in the past. I'm thinking that the solar eclipse that happens as he arrives neutralizes his powers and that he will have to stay and train there for a while.
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Here's what I got out of the finale. Sort of a reply to crazyrabbits.

I don't think Parkman knew how dangerous Sylar was, at least not until after Sylar stopped the bullets. Maybe Ando figured he could get the drop on him.

I think it was important for Peter to hear from someone else that he's strong and is the one that will make things right.

Claire shooting Peter. Got me on this one. Maybe, like others have suggested, he can only use one power at a time. Maybe he was so busy concentrating on trying to not blow up that it would have killed him. She was probably freaked out too. Since Peter saved her, she just couldn't pull the trigger.

Sylar's overconfidence was his weakness. Plus, I'm betting that he didn't think the future could be changed, so he had to be stabbed at some point. Since Peter didn't go nuclear in the square, he won't let it happen again.

My thoughts on the plaza being empty are that it was really late at night. Probably no one around for the short time they were there since everyone else was at home sleeping.

The same reason practically every series always stalls with a cliffhanger. It gives the viewer a taste of what's to come, gives them a reason to come back, and gives them something to look forward to. And in this day of DVD sales, it gives the studio more money when they release it on DVD. You can't buy season 1 and not want season 2, since it completes the story.

I think Candice's comments about being an entirely different shape were just her way of playing Micah. He really had no way of knowing what her true form was.

I too was kind of ticked that nobody bothered to keep an eye on Sylar. Oh well, it just means he won't be that easy to kill.

As for the rest of the episode, is it me or does it seem like it's a Christian allegory? Peter is "the one" (Charles words, not mine). Mr. Bennett's first name (He's gathering all the Heroes together I guess and protecting them). Yeah, it's only two references, but they're two big references.

Are we going to have a policy on posting spoilers? Should we wait a certain amount of time after the episode airs, or is it fair game once it's aired on the West Coast?
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After watching the end battle again, I found it very funny that Niki, who should have no idea what's going on due to the fact that she's never met Sylar or Peter, grabs a traffic meter and beats the hell out of Sylar just for no reason. I'm also surprised that Peter wasn't surprised to see Hiro, especially since the only time they met (if I remember correctly) was on the train, and that was Future Hiro.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Here's what I got out of the finale. Sort of a reply to crazyrabbits.

I don't think Parkman knew how dangerous Sylar was, at least not until after Sylar stopped the bullets. Maybe Ando figured he could get the drop on him.

Consider that Parkman was present for the incident when Sylar murdered Molly's parents (including freezing them with an ice power), and when he shot Sylar with multiple bullets when the guy tried to kidnap Molly/kill Lt. Hanson. Clearly, the guy at least knows that Sylar should be immune to/able to stop bullets. It makes no sense that he decides to go all gung-ho, especially when he's seen what happens when he uses his gun.

Claire shooting Peter. Got me on this one. Maybe, like others have suggested, he can only use one power at a time. Maybe he was so busy concentrating on trying to not blow up that it would have killed him. She was probably freaked out too. Since Peter saved her, she just couldn't pull the trigger.

Well, love dialogue aside, didn't Richard Roundtree's character make a reference to Peter ALWAYS having his powers turned on? Or am I missing something here?

Sylar's overconfidence was his weakness. Plus, I'm betting that he didn't think the future could be changed, so he had to be stabbed at some point. Since Peter didn't go nuclear in the square, he won't let it happen again.


Oh, really? Sylar just decides to stand there and do nothing when a guy with a sword verbally calls his name and runs towards him with a weapon screaming? He had more than enough time to get out of the way, so either he's a complete idiot, or he wanted to die, but since this is Sylar we're talking about here, that's a little hard to fathom.

My thoughts on the plaza being empty are that it was really late at night. Probably no one around for the short time they were there since everyone else was at home sleeping.


Outside involvement aside (the Company had no reason to close the square off to outside individuals, because they don't have Molly to track Sylar, Thompson is dead, most of the security personnel in the building near the plaza are investigating Linderman and Thompson's murders, and there is no way HRG could have gotten through a blocked off section without being stopped by the Company [remember, he's still wanted by them]), there should have been at least SOME people outside (this is New York, after all).

In addition, I'm surprised that not ONE of the main characters were detained by the police or arrested. Considering the dead bodies in the building, the fact that there was a massive explosion right above the heart of the city AND a dead man laying in the plaza square, it's ridiculous that all of the characters were able to get away scot-free. For that matter, where was Agent Hanson? Why was she reintroduced in the previous episode? Wouldn't it have made more sense for her to show up at the end and get suspicious of what had happened in the plaza?

I think Candice's comments about being an entirely different shape were just her way of playing Micah. He really had no way of knowing what her true form was.


There's no reason for Candice to "play" Micah by suggesting she has a bigger shape. What, do you think Micah was supposed to be fearful that Candice would turn into a 500-pound woman and bodyslam him? Her comments indicated that her past form was different, but if she turned into the "regular" Candice at the end, why bother including those suggestions in the previous episode?

Finally, I have one more question (I swear):

Where was Claude? Or Hana (Wireless) Gitelman? Or the Haitian? The Haitian!!!

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Where was Claude? Or Hana (Wireless) Gitelman? Or the Haitian? The Haitian!!!


Maybe the Haitian was why no one got arrested.
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"The unconditional love that Peter had contrasted well with Sylar's possible suicidal motive to explode."

Sylar wasn't trying to die. He thought he would be able to stop Peter and make himself the hero. It wasn't until after he was stabbed that he was happy to let Peter blow up.

"My thoughts on the plaza being empty are that it was really late at night. Probably no one around for the short time they were there since everyone else was at home sleeping."

This is New York. "I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps". Watch it again. The plaza where the fight happens is empty. The street where Claire falls out is empty. The street Peter passes out on is empty.

No people. At all.

"Mr. Bennett's first name (He's gathering all the Heroes together I guess and protecting them). Yeah, it's only two references, but they're two big references."

That's an awesome catch! I hadn't even considered that.

" I found it very funny that Niki, who should have no idea what's going on due to the fact that she's never met Sylar or Peter, grabs a traffic meter and beats the hell out of Sylar just for no reason."

Like most other things happening in that episode, stuff is happening for no reason, or for no good reason. This is a dramatic change of course in writing.

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Things did seem to be a bit different in the last episode, as far as style and writing, etc. I'm waiting to see what the next season holds before I jump to too many conclusions. Stuff that might make no sense now might make a ton of sense later.
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Was it just me, or did Kensei's eyes look like George Takei's eyes?
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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
Ey Sluggo, What about a 'Heroes' Video contest in the wait between seasons?


Hmmm..
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Oh Christ, no!

http://www.heroesrevealed.com/novels/heroes-novel-34-the-death-of-hana-gitelman-part-2/

They killed her! Online! In a comic book!!! NOOOOO!!!!
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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits
Well, love dialogue aside, didn't Richard Roundtree's character make a reference to Peter ALWAYS having his powers turned on? Or am I missing something here?

I don't know, did he? I don't recall him saying anything like that, just that he was the one (images of Neo from the Matrix were conjured up at that point, especially since the fight in 5 years gone resembled Agent Smith vs Neo to me).

Originally posted by: crazyrabbitsOh, really? Sylar just decides to stand there and do nothing when a guy with a sword verbally calls his name and runs towards him with a weapon screaming? He had more than enough time to get out of the way, so either he's a complete idiot, or he wanted to die, but since this is Sylar we're talking about here, that's a little hard to fathom.

Sylar's a nut job. He's taking all these powers because it's his duty (that's what he told Mohinder). Nothing he's done has surprised me, with the exception of going to his mom's house and acting all shaken up that he could be responsible for the death of millions.

Originally posted by: crazyrabbitsOutside involvement aside (the Company had no reason to close the square off to outside individuals, because they don't have Molly to track Sylar, Thompson is dead, most of the security personnel in the building near the plaza are investigating Linderman and Thompson's murders, and there is no way HRG could have gotten through a blocked off section without being stopped by the Company [remember, he's still wanted by them]), there should have been at least SOME people outside (this is New York, after all).

In addition, I'm surprised that not ONE of the main characters were detained by the police or arrested. Considering the dead bodies in the building, the fact that there was a massive explosion right above the heart of the city AND a dead man laying in the plaza square, it's ridiculous that all of the characters were able to get away scot-free. For that matter, where was Agent Hanson? Why was she reintroduced in the previous episode? Wouldn't it have made more sense for her to show up at the end and get suspicious of what had happened in the plaza?

I've been to New York (that I can remember) all of one time. Sorry if I don't know what it's really like there. Would it have been better to have a bunch of people running around in chaos once the fight started? I'm sure that's why it was done. They could have had a bunch of extras walking around and then going into a panic, but for what purpose? Give the heroes people to save while Sylar attempts to pick them off as a distraction?

Originally posted by: crazyrabbitsThere's no reason for Candice to "play" Micah by suggesting she has a bigger shape. What, do you think Micah was supposed to be fearful that Candice would turn into a 500-pound woman and bodyslam him? Her comments indicated that her past form was different, but if she turned into the "regular" Candice at the end, why bother including those suggestions in the previous episode?


Her comments, to me, simply indicated that Micah did not know what her true form was and it could be anything (not that it was though). I don't think there was anything to it except that. Why make the comment? Why not? Maybe she was just trying to give Micah something to mull over. Perhaps make him realize that "things are not always what they seem". I don't think Micah was suppose to be fearful or anything else. He was just suppose to wonder "Is this her true form and will I ever know what her true form is?" How can anyone know what a shapeshifters true form is except the shapeshifter themselves.

Originally posted by: MeBeJediSylar wasn't trying to die. He thought he would be able to stop Peter and make himself the hero. It wasn't until after he was stabbed that he was happy to let Peter blow up.


I don't think so. That's what he said, yes, but it's clearly not what he meant. He'd stop Peter by killing him, but he'd still be the bad guy (no one else was around). All the other heroes would still want him dead, so he wouldn't really be a hero. His comments were nothing more than to make Peter doubt himself. Once he was stabbed, he saw that he was suppose to die by using Isaac's power, so he let himself go (except apparently not).

Originally posted by: crazyrabbitsAfter watching the end battle again, I found it very funny that Niki, who should have no idea what's going on due to the fact that she's never met Sylar or Peter, grabs a traffic meter and beats the hell out of Sylar just for no reason. I'm also surprised that Peter wasn't surprised to see Hiro, especially since the only time they met (if I remember correctly) was on the train, and that was Future Hiro.


Since a bunch of them were together before finding Peter and Sylar, I see no reason why they couldn't have explained the situation to Niki. She could be brought up to speed very quickly and proceed to kick ass. Remember, it's Niki, not Jessica, she's quick to act and doesn't think much about the consequences.

Peter may have been surprised to see Hiro, but there wasn't much time to react. Hiro shows up, stabs Sylar, gets thrown toward the building, and then vanishes. All of 10 seconds may have passed. It certainly wasn't enough time to react very much, especially since he still thought he was going to blow up right there.
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They could have had a bunch of extras walking around and then going into a panic, but for what purpose?


Realism?

"That's what he said, yes, but it's clearly not what he meant. He'd stop Peter by killing him, but he'd still be the bad guy (no one else was around). All the other heroes would still want him dead, so he wouldn't really be a hero."

Well, I didn't necessarily mean that he would be a "good guy", simply that he was taking odd satisfaction in the belief that he wouldn't be the one who caused all the deaths.

Regardless, this episode was several cuts below the quality I have to come expect from the show.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>