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According to what we've seen on the show, yes - unless he killed someone with Peter's ability.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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Well Sylar had to have been special before he killed Brian Davis - We know he can see how things work. Obviously his body allows him to absorb these other abilities but is that his 'power' or simply a side effect. Chandra had labeled him as 'Patient Zero' But we can't be sure at what point. We don't really know just how much Chandra did know. He was made aware by sylar that he had some form of telekenesis [after sylar killed brian] but that's all we really know for sure.

Everything we've seen indicates that he has to kill a person to get at what makes them special - which according to Suresh [both] resides within the brain. But here's a question - Why did he go to such risks to abduct Molly Walker? Why not just kill her?

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Could it have had anything to do with her illness? Or maybe just a plot hole.
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Would you believe there's a Heroes Wiki? LOL!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Okay, I went back to Hiro attacking Sylar. Just before Hiro attacks, Sylar's eyes turn, and then his mother falls - indicating that time started up again. So whether this was caused by Hiro ceasing to use the power, or Sylar intervening in the use of the power remains to be seen.

Now, to go back and look at the cheerleader sequence I was talking about...

Okay, Episode 9 (Homecoming), Part 5. I don't know where the pictures are, but the picture of Claire on the steps of the auditorium showed her turned around, with one shadow looming over her. In the TV episode, Peter catches up to her, and both of them are under the steps when Sylar's shadow falls onto them. Maybe it's just a gaffe, but I think this is where Peter caused a major change from one possible future (Claire is killed) to another (Claire is saved.) Obviously, she was killed at some point, otherwise future Hiro's warning from the future wouldn't be necessary....IMHO.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I think between that and next week, the future has definitely been changed. Remember, when past Hiro showed up 5 years later, future Hiro said "You saved the cheerleader, but the bomb still went off" meaning something else still needed to be done, but since Hiro skipped past it, it still happened. Of course, part of that "something else" is killing Sylar. So maybe Sylar does attempt to nuke the city and Hiro stops him.

Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
Peter died - they didn't know Claire would / could resurrect him


I don't think Claire did resurrect him. Sure, she pulled the glass out of his head, but he had already absorbed her power before. If I'm not mistaken, he only needs to absorb the power once in order to use it again. At least that's the way it appears. He survived the fall by thinking about Claire. He made himself invisible without the other guy being around. Maybe it's a combination of sorts. Perhaps when someone is nearby, he just naturally absorbs and uses their power, but if they're not around, he has to think about them in order for that to work.

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Mebejedi - Yeah I think I'm with you know, And if so I tend to agree.

Lordjedi - I should have been clearer, I meant the first time peter died - at the homecoming. I was implying that YES things at the homecoming did happen as laid out in Isaacs paintings. At least for the most part, if Mebejedi is correct...

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Is this what you were talking about
http://heroeswiki.com/Imageainting_claire_menaced.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20061211035951bf4.jpg

At first i'd thought you'd confused the paintings of a dead Claire/cheerleader with dead Peter.
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Yeah, that's the pic I was talking about. Now, there's about a half-second where the cheerleader is there without Peter, so I could be splitting hairs on this, but I remember watching this scene and thinking back that the picture only showed Claire, and wondering if the difference was significant or not.

We shall see.

future Hiro said "You saved the cheerleader, but the bomb still went off" meaning something else still needed to be done, but since Hiro skipped past it, it still happened. Of course, part of that "something else" is killing Sylar. So maybe Sylar does attempt to nuke the city and Hiro stops him.


Agreed. I really wonder if there are significant differences between the comic book that Hiro has at the beginning of the series, and the one he has now...i.e. killing a man (presumably Sylar.)

Also, at the end of the last episode, Sylar looks at the city and says "boom". Whether or not he is the one that blows it up, he certainly appears at this point to show intent to do so, if that makes any sense.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
future Hiro said "You saved the cheerleader, but the bomb still went off" meaning something else still needed to be done, but since Hiro skipped past it, it still happened. Of course, part of that "something else" is killing Sylar. So maybe Sylar does attempt to nuke the city and Hiro stops him.


Agreed. I really wonder if there are significant differences between the comic book that Hiro has at the beginning of the series, and the one he has now...i.e. killing a man (presumably Sylar.)

Also, at the end of the last episode, Sylar looks at the city and says "boom". Whether or not he is the one that blows it up, he certainly appears at this point to show intent to do so, if that makes any sense.


Oh, he definitely intends to be the one. He believes Isaac's paintings depict him as the one. The only problem I have with that is Peter's previous vision. Of course, there's a problem with having a nuke go off anyway. If they're all in the same place, only Claire and Peter have the ability to survive. I suppose Nathan could fly a few of them away. But really, how would they survive into next season if they're all at ground zero?
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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
Well Sylar had to have been special before he killed Brian Davis - We know he can see how things work. Obviously his body allows him to absorb these other abilities but is that his 'power' or simply a side effect. Chandra had labeled him as 'Patient Zero' But we can't be sure at what point. We don't really know just how much Chandra did know. He was made aware by sylar that he had some form of telekenesis [after sylar killed brian] but that's all we really know for sure.

Everything we've seen indicates that he has to kill a person to get at what makes them special - which according to Suresh [both] resides within the brain. But here's a question - Why did he go to such risks to abduct Molly Walker? Why not just kill her?


Alrighty guys, I just finished Episode 22 and now I am avidly awaiting the finale on Monday. I read all of this threads posts and I can finally interject my thoughts to the current discussion.

From what I gather, Sylar has the ability to learn how things work by opening them up. He learned all about clocks by opening them up and studying the parts, he got to the point that he simply had to listen to a clock to find out what was wrong. So this tells me that whenever he finds someone with an ability he wants, he has to pop the top off and study that persons brain in order to figure out how it works. Upon doing so, he immediately figures it out and learns how to do it. Whereas, Peter is a bit different from the standpoint that he does not have to study anything, he just absorbs the powers of those he encounters. I see this being a plot point later on (if Sylar survives) that Sylar would want to pop open Peter to discover how he absorbs powers without ripping their head open. If Sylar were to get this ability from Peter, he could simply walk down the street and pickup hundreds of powers, if the streets are filled with hundreds of heroes. This ability would make his power grow more conveniently and quickly, causing him to be even more dangerous.
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Glad you've caught up, I've been enjoying the discussion here that's seemed to be snowballing.

Sylar did try to pop off Peters head once already. "I can't wat to try that one..."

You are right about the clocks as we saw when he knew Suresh' watch was broken. He also used a similar anaogy to describe Brian Davis, Something along the lines of "You're broken, But I can fix you".

And in regards to Peters ability to leech any number of powers we have seen hints of this already. Foremost when he began to overload when training with Claude - in the street after landing on the Taxi.


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He also used a similar anaogy to describe Brian Davis, Something along the lines of "You're broken, But I can fix you".


Which is odd, because by "fix", he apparently means taking their power away from them. Does that mean that he, himself, is "broken"?

I know what the writers meant, but when you analyze it, it really doesn't make sense on the face of it.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Who do you think won the future fight between Peter and Sylar?
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Well now, That's hard to say. I think the point was that they were fairly evenly matched. although I'd say that Peter may have the advantage of being able to heal himself. Interesting to see Sylar with ice hands vs Peter with fire hands - which I'm guessing is from Meredith Gordon.

A little reminiscent of Ice man vs Pyro rivalry in xmen. Or is it just me?
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"although I'd say that Peter may have the advantage of being able to heal himself. "

You forgot that Sylar/Nathan killed Claire in the future. They're even now (then?)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Damn, You're right, I forgot he killed her during the Episode. They are fairly evenly matched then.

It was only really a tease anyway
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I was about to post the same thing as you Johnny. I remembered halfway through my post that Sylar took Claire's ability in the episode.

I think it would at least be an interesting fight
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I'd say Peter would win, since Peter has certain useful abilities Sylar doesn't. Parkman isn't dead, so Sylar can't read minds. Hiro isn't dead, so Sylar couldn't stop time.

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"I'd say Peter would win, since Peter has certain useful abilities Sylar doesn't."

I'd think it's safe to say that Sylar has tracked and killed far more "heroes" than Peter has met, giving him the upper hand to begin with. That being said, would Peter be able to absorb enough of those powers from Sylar in time to make them available? It could tie up pretty quick, except that Sylar has had time to practice them.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I still say the combination of Parkman's ability to read minds and Hiro's ability to stop time outweigh anything Sylar can dish out.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I still say the combination of Parkman's ability to read minds and Hiro's ability to stop time outweigh anything Sylar can dish out.


So far though it seems to be that powers mean nothing whenever you knock somebody out. So if Sylar or Peter knock the other out they could win. Knocking out is the kryptonite of all the evolved humans, maybe except Claire.
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"and Hiro's ability to stop time"

As was previously pointed out, Sylar can apparently nullify this.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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We may still find out who would win the fight. All the previews for next week show Sylar and Peter in what looks like the beginning of a fight. The only thing different is that they appear to be on a roof instead of in the hallway of a building.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"and Hiro's ability to stop time"

As was previously pointed out, Sylar can apparently nullify this.


That's yet to be proven one way or the other. The only instance we have for reference is not clear whether he can or not.