Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic I don't see you bringing anything new to the discussion either.
You can exxagerate the situation to further demonize Lucas, but there is a huge difference between an artist coming into your home and altering a work you have already purchased, and an artist re-releasing previous works with further work done to them. You want people to take your feelings seriously, you have to be reasonable about it.
I knew you couldn't handle a metaphor.
What I want to know is why you feel the need to defend and praise Lucas in every post? Why? What do you get out of it? Does it make you feel big? Does it bring you great joy? What is it that makes you do it?
And you can bet your ass he'll answer none of those questions and just give a passive response that stops him from having to answer the question. Watch DarthEvil's Who Framed Darth Vader? video on YouTube!
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic Let me know when Lucas shows up at your house to alter copies of his movies you have already purchased.
I can see why some artists don't bother to make a movie as good as they can. After all it costs time and money.
I guess that's part of the reason I respect Lucas for caring more than most directors would about making his movie as close to what he was trying to do as he can.
Here's an example of you totally missing the point of a post. Not going back and altering your film to make it "better" does not in any way indicate that they don't care, or they didn't put their full efforts into it the first time. By that logic, you could say that George Lucas only put 25% of his efforts into making the first Star Wars movie, because that's how complete he said it was. We know that's not true, because the man almost had a heart attack making that movie. The point is that you do the best you can while you're working on a movie. It's not going to a perfect, but nothing ever is. It's almost like playing a sport. You have your chance during the game to score as many points and be the best player you can, but once it's over, you have what you have. You did the best you can, and you're left to reflect on it. And I think going back 20 years later and easily fixing things with new technology is almost a slap in the face to the blood, sweat, and tears you went through to make it the first time with lesser technology. I know I'd feel that way... I could never cover up my hard work with something "better" that came so much more easily. Apparently, George feels differently.
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil Why? What do you get out of it? Does it make you feel big? Does it bring you great joy? What is it that makes you do it?
Gomie is all but mentioned by name. There are several reasons why people do it but his seems to be a need for an identity - all attention (good or bad) is good attention. Control is another motivation. He steers the conversations - controls them - by inciting anger with his passive \ aggressive posts. He's also controlling the people that respond to him as well, by getting them so upset that they spend time trying to stop him. It's the only reason someone would join a board and constantly go against it's main theme. In fact, that behavior is mentioned specifically.
"The so-called concern troll works to disrupt a forum by claiming to support its common cause but posting messages that promote the interests of the opposing cause.”
He certainly falls into this category as well;
“Wasting others' time: One of the greatest themes in trolling is the idea that a troll can spend one minute of time posting a troll, causing multiple other people to waste several minutes of their time, catalytically affecting others. Most trolls enjoy the idea that they can waste others' time at comparatively little effort on their behalf.”
He's put up plenty of one and two word answers just to keep someone angry - just to keep the thread going.
Until he's banned, we'll have to suffer his presence. It's one of the drawbacks to internet discussions - the anonymity of the internet - "the safety of being out of range" as Roger Waters put it.
Gomie doesn't have to be concerned with being held accountable for his behavior. Online forums are just another form of entertainment for him, not unlike internet gaming. He just assumes a character identity and plays a part. If he were to behave in person the way he does here, angering and annoying people at the level he does, he'd get his teeth knocked out. On the internet, he's safe behind his keyboard.
I stick up for Lucas because he has given me almost a lifetime of enjoyment. More enjoyment than just about any other film maker.
The man is my hero.
There is nothing wrong with leaving a movie as good as you could get it before the deadline. Lucas' didn't have enough time and money to do what he wanted for the original Star Wars, hence why he chose to spend more time and money on it later when he could.
While it's flattering to hear you guys suggest I can control you guys, somehow forcing you to get angry, I think you guys are fully capable of controlling your own actions.
"The so-called concern troll works to disrupt a forum by claiming to support its common cause but posting messages that promote the interests of the opposing cause.”
He certainly falls into this category as well;
“Wasting others' time: One of the greatest themes in trolling is the idea that a troll can spend one minute of time posting a troll, causing multiple other people to waste several minutes of their time, catalytically affecting others. Most trolls enjoy the idea that they can waste others' time at comparatively little effort on their behalf.”
He's put up plenty of one and two word answers just to keep someone angry - just to keep the thread going.
I believe you're being mostly unfair to Go-Mer. Everything that I have seen him post seems authentic in the sense that he truly loves the prequels as much, if not more than the OUT, and that he truly has a high amount of respect for Lucas. Sure, we believe he's clearly misguided in this opinion, but let's not pretend that it's completely unreasonable. People can believe what he believes and still desire a good OUT release; the prequels and the SEs have redeemable elements (even if we personally find that the bad outweighs the good).
Your last point there, about his one-or-two-phrase replies that work to preserve people's anger, is definitely true though. First, Go-Mer seems to sickly enjoy situations whenever he manages to irritate someone (as if he believes he's above it all). Then, for some reason, he enjoys using the similarly provoking one-liners when he sees someone post an opinion he doesn't like. I would guess that this stems from an inability to express disagreement in measured, healthy ways. I don't believe Go-Mer is purposely looking to waste people's time like a troll would.
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What I can't believe is how we all pretty much played into his little game. LOL, I really should know better by now.
And I defenitely don't believe in all these online extremes some go to with "best movie ever" "subtle nuances" "Worst ever" Even Pure Trash movies have some entertainment value of course. It's when you take into account how easily that Pure Trash could have been Pure Terrificness that it becomes wasted potential.
I'll use batman forever as an example. It's a very entertaining, well made film, nice fx and stuff etc., but when you as a fan step back and look at the big rubber butt cheeks of batman and realize how wrong it is, it's not so easy to like it much anymore. I did have a blast at BF, but it truly is a horrible batman film. What a world, ain't it?
The parts of the SE that do what they're supposed to do and enhance the original movie, not change it into a cartoony crap fest, those I did like. you know, just that non-intrusive practiacally the same as the original but with better graphics, that sort of thing... It's like playing a new version of pacman with a 3D pacman but the same exact gameplay as before I guess.
I only hope Lucas realizes some day maybe that all that money he spends to add more and more cartoony crap to the OT came out of people who truly loved and cared for his original films. Of course his army of yes men and online sycophants will defend everything he does to damage the trilogy that people love with excuses like "oh that part was crap but it didn't ruin the whole movie" *sigh* After years online I've concluded that yes it does. It ruins the integrity of not only the movie itself, the original it came from, but its creator too to let such poor decisions get out to the public. It's a shame we are sitting here today some of us and there are kids in this world who will watch their friend's star wars dvd and see that green guy miss with a laser gun at point blank range. That is truly unforgivable in my opinion. I really bought into the excuses by some very intimidating (most likely lucas interns) online who'd just brush it off like it was nothing, but it's a huge something to me. I originally wanted the original trilgoy preserved for myself but as I get older, I realize it's not just about preserving it for me. Star Wars deserves better than what it's being given and no studio intern will convince me otherwise. He big in nothing important in good elephant.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup Everything that I have seen him post seems authentic in the sense that he truly loves the prequels as much, if not more than the OUT
....let's experiment and see what happens if we just ignore a troll for once. He's playing it very cool and just toying with us.
When you see a post of his....just skip it and reply to the most recent post that is not his...effectively ignoring him completely. It's not like we don't know what he's going to say anyway. He's been spewing the same shit in several threads for a few days already...
As for him wasting my time....I'm at work and I have the world's most boring job, so he's only making my day go faster. Thanks, Gomer!!!
Nevertheless....I'm ignoring him completely from now on. His bullshit isn't worth typing another word on.
To get this thread back on topic though......I have to agree with this from the OP, but that doesn't make it right.
Perhaps it's cuz we think so many things in our lives are just products that they don't mean as much anymore......maybe I'm just looking for more meaning in things and don't like them to be seen just as commercial products.
Okay, but you can't claim to be open minded anymore.
A lot of what Lucas has done for the film industry is to make film making tools cheaper and easier to use. Now adays someone with a decent enough personal computer can make their own movie. They no longer have to go to a studio boss and ask for as much money as they used to. Sometimes they can even foot the bill on their own, which allows them full creative control of their own movies. Something any film maker would cherish.
I think that by taking the big money out of the cost of film production, Lucas is helping artists prevail over the bean counters more and more. Your focus determines your reality.
LOTR existed (albeit as a book) for quite a while before it was turned into a movie. That book series was seen as something very special for a while just as Star Wars has become before 1997 or 1999...yet there was such an outcry that it be treated reverently when the movies were announced that the filmmakers abided by that. There's not much difference between LOTR and SW. They're both stories....except one is treated like a product and the other wasn't for the longest time....
....and LOTR was made story of the century while SW is...well, just SW now...maybe that's just cuz it's treated like a product.....dunno, opinions?
Even the original Lord of the Rings books were treated as a product from the very beginning.
As I understand it, it was because of economics that they split up the books in the first place (people were more likely to buy a series of smaller books over time rather than one huge tome).
I also believe that the last book was called Return of the King by the studio for marketing reasons. Tolkein was against the title as it gave away the ending, but the publisher won in the end. Your focus determines your reality.
If Tolkien was apposed to the name, it couldn't have been by very much. I know that he designed covers for each of the three volumes (only the first was used) and that he had no trouble with the chosen name in that context.
"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
I was just saying that even the original LOTR books were created as mass marketed product. That of course doesn't take anything away from the artistic aspect of the work. Your focus determines your reality.
Ostrisizing other people you don't agree with gets tiring doesn't it?
You really need someone like McCarthy to get the masses behind it.
I do think it was in poor taste for the original poster in this thread to make this thread for the sole purpose of getting people upset. Your focus determines your reality.
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic I was just saying that even the original LOTR books were created as mass marketed product. That of course doesn't take anything away from the artistic aspect of the work.
No they weren't. They were sold as mass marketed product. They were created to give a world to the language Tolkien had created. He knew that a language with no one to speak it was useless. So he created a world where the inhabitants spoke the language he had created.
I'm not sure about the title for ROTK, but I know the title of TTT is ambiguous. Even Tolkien didn't really know which two towers the title referred to. Was it Minus Tirith and Minus Morgul or was it Saruman and Sauron's towers (the proper names are escaping me at the moment)? To some it's the former, to others the latter. F Scale score - 3.3333333333333335
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