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I think the whole mentality with the OT and those that grew up with it is that they're etched fond memories of our childhoods. As kids we never looked at them as products, we saw them as other realities and for some people those feelings are still there. Come the PT and we realise as we are older that Star Wars is a product, is marketed as a product and always has been. The reason fans that grew up with it are angry is because it's like having someone burn all your family photos in front of your eyes and you're powerless to stop it. Here's some food for thought: you can't control what you didn't create and even if you did, look how God's creation turned out.

The truth is ENTERTAINMENT IS A PRODUCT, the only time it wasn't was when humans were of the old days telling stories by the fire. We had nothing to benefit but the awe of the croud. This is our world now, it's about money and control. We're all an empire of one because we've been bred into a selfish world that tells us to toil for money to buy goods and services and if we don't get exactly what we want than cry havoc (you know the rest). You can complain for all eternity about getting your way with Star Wars because you see yourselves as "inverstors" in a product you have no control over. Why not instead try to create a similar product to etch in other kids memories and see where that takes you. See if you'll end up like Lucas or not with the decisions you make with your product.
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Really it's not the artistic diversity I take issue with. It's the anger that some people end up embracing over it.
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So, what's your point?

You're not telling anythng we don't already know...

I don't give a shit what Lucas does with SW now....I'm not dropping any dead presidents on it, so fuck it all. Our gripe is preserving the OOT, that's all.

I've argued the prequels and SE changes cuz we can, but no one here is disputing Lucas' right to do what he wants with it. WE just question his decisions and his motives. So fucking what?

If you don't like reading about all this, you more than welcome to piss off...take Gomer with you too.
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That's okay, I -love- reading about it.

Still if you don't give a shit, then what's with all the swearing over it?
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I think you love to stir shit up, troll.

And deal with the swearing....you're old enough to....
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I don't mind, I was just saying it gives you the appearance that you are angry or something, which betrays your claim that you don't care.
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I cuss all the time.....you've been here long enough to know that.
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Exactly the response I was expecting (didn't take too long either). So easily toyed with...
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I didn't say it was a shocking turn of events, it just goes to show that you do care. At least a little bit.
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Originally posted by: casualimp
I think the whole mentality with the OT and those that grew up with it is that they're etched fond memories of our childhoods. As kids we never looked at them as products, we saw them as other realities and for some people those feelings are still there. Come the PT and we realise as we are older that Star Wars is a product, is marketed as a product and always has been. The reason fans that grew up with it are angry is because it's like having someone burn all your family photos in front of your eyes and you're powerless to stop it. Here's some food for thought: you can't control what you didn't create and even if you did, look how God's creation turned out.

The truth is ENTERTAINMENT IS A PRODUCT, the only time it wasn't was when humans were of the old days telling stories by the fire. We had nothing to benefit but the awe of the croud. This is our world now, it's about money and control. We're all an empire of one because we've been bred into a selfish world that tells us to toil for money to buy goods and services and if we don't get exactly what we want than cry havoc (you know the rest). You can complain for all eternity about getting your way with Star Wars because you see yourselves as "inverstors" in a product you have no control over. Why not instead try to create a similar product to etch in other kids memories and see where that takes you. See if you'll end up like Lucas or not with the decisions you make with your product.



I bought the LOTR set the other day on DVD, and it included the Theatrical Versions and the Extended Versions in one boxset, both transfers with Anamorphic Widescreen and 5.1 DD. Geez, that wasn't that hard to please all of the LOTR fans?
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Originally posted by: casualimp
Exactly the response I was expecting (didn't take too long either). So easily toyed with...


Oh...so you're playing with us...

Troll, anyone?
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I bought the LOTR set the other day on DVD, and it included the Theatrical Versions and the Extended Versions in one boxset, both transfers with Anamorphic Widescreen and 5.1 DD. Geez, that wasn't that hard to please all of the LOTR fans?


Yeah...no kidding. Trekkies get all their shows and movies done up good. Hell, they're getting the Special Edition Original Series and they still get the original versions...

...and Paramount is SOOO guilty of milking the Trek fans, it's not funny. At least they're fans getting what they want....

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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Troll, anyone?
No thanks, I'm trying to give them up.
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Troll, anyone?
No thanks, I'm trying to give them up.


If they'd just go away....

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Originally posted by: CO

I bought the LOTR set the other day on DVD, and it included the Theatrical Versions and the Extended Versions in one boxset, both transfers with Anamorphic Widescreen and 5.1 DD. Geez, that wasn't that hard to please all of the LOTR fans?


But neither version has the car driving along the edge of Farmer Maggot's field, so you're not getting the TRUE, ORIGINAL theatrical version. You're just getting one step in Peter Jackson's ever-changing "vision." Honestly, if you're okay with Peter Jackson erasing cars from Middle-earth, but you've got problems with Lucas erasing blaster burns or inserting theme-restaurant style CGI musical numbers, you're clearly biased.
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Scruffy, those are two huge different things. Lucas changes whole scenes, and is very instrusive, and overall makes his movies worse. Jackson just erased a car in the background, that you have to be watching carefully for to begin with, and it is an improvment. You might have been being sarcastic, so I'm sorry in advance if you were.

And I can quote word for word what Go-Mer's response to this post will be.

Lucas changes whole scenes, and is very instrusive, and overall makes his movies worse. Jackson just erased a car in the background, that you have to be watching carefully for to begin with, and it is an improvment.


Lucas changes weren't intrusive at all, and just helped clean up the films. How can you say erasing a car is less intrusive than addding CGI dancers into Jabba's palace and replacing the whole scene? It all helps the films flow better. I love Lucas. I love Jar Jar. I think Anakin is the coolest chracter ever.

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Derr Imma gonna complain about complaints, pa! Derr

Seriously though, go die of a broken heart. People don't like seeing what they love being treated poorly and want the best for it. Why is this a problem?

Oh crap, I just realized I'm feeding a troll. I really need to learn to just click backspace on crap like this.
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
Originally posted by: CO

I bought the LOTR set the other day on DVD, and it included the Theatrical Versions and the Extended Versions in one boxset, both transfers with Anamorphic Widescreen and 5.1 DD. Geez, that wasn't that hard to please all of the LOTR fans?


But neither version has the car driving along the edge of Farmer Maggot's field, so you're not getting the TRUE, ORIGINAL theatrical version. You're just getting one step in Peter Jackson's ever-changing "vision." Honestly, if you're okay with Peter Jackson erasing cars from Middle-earth, but you've got problems with Lucas erasing blaster burns or inserting theme-restaurant style CGI musical numbers, you're clearly biased.


And when you look in the background of Osgiliath in the "theatrical version" of The Two Towers, can you see Minas Tirith? If you can, it's not truly the theatrical version. The studio feared that audiences would get confused over what that thing in the distant background was, especially during all that intercutting of helm's deep, ithilien, and fangorn. Peter Jackson then altered those shots of osgiliath at the studio's behest prior to the film's theatrical release in December of '02. He restored the "originally intended" version of the shots for the extended 4-disc dvd. I'm assuming the 2006 dvd doesn't have both versions of those shots on the disc, but then again I haven't seen it so I could be wrong.

In regards to the car in The Fellowship of the Ring, imdb says that all dvd versions are devoid of it. I'm assuming this includes even the 2-disc theatrical version dvd but I don't have my copy on me so I can't check. The car was visible in the theatrical release of the movie.

As an aside, I do own all of the 2002-2004 dvds but unfortunately the theatrical version of The Two Towers has a player-specific error on the disc that causes it to freeze up towards the very end of the movie when gandalf says "Sauron's wrath shall be terrible, his retribution swift." This error occurs on my parents' nice sony s-video dvd player from '99 and on their computer's dvd-rom but it does not occur on my ps2. I've google searched this and it is indeed a player-specific error. For this reason, and also because the theatrical versions (if that's what they really are) are in slightly better quality than their older dvd counterparts, the new sets looked awfully tempting. However, the documentaries were the biggest reason I wanted to buy this set and once I found out they were non-anamorphic widescreen my interest went way down.

It is interesting how Lucas is moving further away from the original versions just as the studios are moving closer to an archival approach such as Alien Quadrilogy.

Now even Superman's '78 release version is hitting dvd.

The fact that Jackson put together longer cuts of the movies immediately after finishing the theatrical cuts is yet another reason why those movies are considered so unique. He considers the theatrical cuts, with a few exceptions, to be his version of choice for the movies. I prefer them simply because they're what I saw on the big screen and I regard the extended 4-disc sets as bonus material, nothing more.
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei

The fact that Jackson put together longer cuts of the movies immediately after finishing the theatrical cuts is yet another reason why those movies are considered so unique. He considers the theatrical cuts, with a few exceptions, to be his version of choice for the movies. I prefer them simply because they're what I saw on the big screen and I regard the extended 4-disc sets as bonus material, nothing more.


The extended editions are for people like me who want book content and less of Jackson's vision (except for the RotK extended edition which gave us book-lovers practically nothing).

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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I just wanted to apologise for the trolling post. It was immature of me, but was also the first one I have done. I love the OT and was quick to sign the petition when it was still up. In all honesty, I wanted to time to see how quickly Gomer would answer. I'm confident we'll get an OT release to our liking someday, I'm just fearing this board it turning more towards fanatic than fan.
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In truth, though I don't care enough to protest outside studios, I distinctively dislike it when filmmakers "correct" mistakes that made it through to the theatrical version of their film, barely noticeable on an 80' screen, seen by millions of people. The car erasure in LotR is lame, as is the cobra-glass reflection elimination in Raiders of the Lost Ark. These were not independent art house films seen by a few hundred people; they were mega-hits seen by millions, with these mistakes deemed "good enough" for such viewing. And with dozens of similar mistakes still in the films after the directors chose to clean up a selective few. It's revisionism, and I'm not in favor of it.

Neither example, however, alters the film to any significant degree. I just think it's silly, and is closing the barn door after the horse has come home.


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If he had caught it before the theatrical exhibition, you wouldn't have any problem with it.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
If he had caught it before the theatrical exhibition, you wouldn't have any problem with it.


Just a quick question for ya, Gomer......in general, you think that it's okay to change films after they've been released like Lucas has done?

If so, do you think the original version still has any merit even though it's not what the director prefers anymore?

Just interested.....


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I think that if it's the same person who was creating the movie in the first place, that's fine.

Our role is that of spectator, not artist. Lucas' part in this is to get his points across. If he wants to clarify his points, I don't see anything wrong with that.

I do think it would be nice however to allow the theatrical version to be released, because in the end, everyone has different tastes, and so some people would rather have the original.
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil's Go-Mer ImpersonationLucas changes weren't intrusive at all, and just helped clean up the films. How can you say erasing a car is less intrusive than addding CGI dancers into Jabba's palace and replacing the whole scene? It all helps the films flow better. I love Lucas. I love Jar Jar. I think Anakin is the coolest chracter ever.


Don't forget "I'm 35 guys!" De-lurking because I, too, am tired of Go-Mer's PT gushing on a board whose focus is to celebrate the original three films. No, Go-Mer I'm not feeding into your "hate" theory, I just find your constant gushing somewhat annoying.

To post slightly on topic, a friend asked me why I dislike the Special Editions of the Star Wars films. I answered her with: "Suppose you go to an art gallery. You see a painting that you absolutely love. You buy it. You hang it on your wall. You speak of its brilliance to all who will listen. Twenty years later there is a knock at your door. The artist is standing there. He barges past you, goes to your basement where the painting is hung. While you stand there speechless, he drops trou and wipes his butt on the painting. He crumples the canvas up and re-hangs it. As he leaves, he says to you 'That's how I wanted the painting to look originally'. You say 'But that's not the picture I bought and loved! Now it's like unto toilet paper!' The artist shrugs and heads out."

George Lucas, October 1979: There are essentially nine films in a series of three trilogies. I have story treatments on all nine.
George Lucas, February 1999: I never had a story for the sequels.