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Help: looking for... Léon - The Professional: a theatrical HD master without contrast boost

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<span style=“font-size: 1.2em; line-height: 1.2em;”>Unfortunately, all Blu-ray releases worldwide seem to use the same - in  my opinion - shitty contrast-boosted source which features a sharper image compared to the DVDs though, but the bright elements clip to pure white:</span>

<span style=“font-size: 14px; line-height: 17.279998779296875px;”>http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?art=part&x=252&y=179&action=1&image=6&hd_multiID=183&cap1=18189&cap2=18181&disc1=1953&disc2=1951&lossless=#vergleich</span>

<span style=“font-size: 1.2em; line-height: 1.2em;”>Ironically, similar to what happened with “Memento”, this ugly image seems to be even director-approved what makes me wonder what they were smoking when they signed this thing off. Anyway, I don’t really care if it is now supposed to look awful because some director changed his mind, I want the far more natural style how it appeared in the theater and on the old DVDs as well.</span>

<span style=“font-size: 1.2em; line-height: 1.2em;”>Does anyone know a source with an unaltered HD image by chance? I assume that at least a 2K-master had been created for the DVD releases as well so there might have been a HDTV station which broadcasted it in a “less flawed” shape.</span>

<span style=“font-size: 1.2em; line-height: 1.2em;”>Any help finding such a source would be greatly appreciated since I love this movie.</span>

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I haven't downloaded it but I know kk650/kingkong made a regraded version where he fixed the contrast. From his description:

When the blu-ray came out, I was very disappointed about just how different the image dynamics were from the DVD I loved, the contrast had been boosted to ridiculous levels and everything had a strong yellow filter over it in comparison to the DVD. I have therefore gone ahead and regraded the blu-ray to closely match the DVD's image dynamics, greatly reducing the blu-ray contrast to match the dvd and removing the strong yellow filter to bring the colours back to how they looked on the DVD. I think the film looks much better now in this version, much more natural like it did on the DVD.

You can try that.

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The Professional = the completely shite 110m version and LEON = the vastly superior 133m/136m Version Integrale Cut.

I don't want this. I'd rather have a 4K remaster approved by Luc Besson for Blu-ray which only contains the 133m cut on its own disc (with isolated DTS-HD MA score) and with the inferior 110m shit release with extras on its own disc. BOTH BD50.

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That's just wrong piled on top of wrong.

The theatrical cut of Léon (or The Professional, as it was retitled in the US) was the same the world over, including France. It was Luc Besson's own cut - it just happened to discard some of the scripted and shot scenes (mostly for pacing reasons, except for one which was deemed a little near the knuckle for international - particularly US - audiences).

The version intégrale reinstated the discarded scenes to create an extended version, but not a director's cut per se (if I recall correctly, its cinema release was Besson and Gaumont's gift to bored office workers in the summer of '96!)

I saw the original on its cinema release, and the extended version a couple of years later when it had a UK screening. It was an interesting experience, and one that I still enjoy from time to time, but it's by no means an improvement on the taut, streamlined original. You may prefer the longer version, but the original is 'completely shite'? Come on.

Anyway, since both have their (occasionally hyperbolic) supporters it is right for them both to be included in future releases. An accurate 4K transfer would be very welcome, but I don't imagine it's terribly high on Sony's list at present.

As for Memento, there have been two transfers, haven't there? Are they both equally poor?

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Well, in Germany it was released as "Director's Cut" theatrically. Though it still omitted one 12-second scene.

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Jonno said:

As for Memento, there have been two transfers, haven't there? Are they both equally poor?

 Here is a comparison of the Memento disks. They look okay (and look similar to the DVD) except the new US transfer, which has been contrast boosted.

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PDB said:

I haven't downloaded it but I know kk650/kingkong made a regraded version where he fixed the contrast.

Many thanks for pointing me into the right direction, PDB. I even had the chance to grab a copy in the meantime. The effort which was done is amazing and the result is definitely better and colorwise closer to the DVD for sure, however clipped whites still clip which was expected since kk650 can't perform magic and create detail which has been gone already, so my search is still valid, I'm afraid.

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Well, in Germany it was released as "Director's Cut" theatrically. Though it still omitted one 12-second scene.

I want to add that in the meantime, the fully uncut "integrale version" or whatever it is called, has been released in Germany as well:

http://www.ofdb.de/film/991,Léon---Der-Profi

That's why, most German versions are correctly declared as "cut" there despite no violence has been cut whatsoever.

Oddly enough that the "how old are you? - scene" had ever been missing in the first place, it was never dubbed to German. Instead, you'll get English and subtitles.

However, the exact "cut" of the movie is not my concern here. My concern is the totally screwed up dynamic range and clipping which lets this great movie look like some cheap video production in bright scenes. I'll never get it which total idiot decided this. Probably the brilliant director himself - the human mind is facinating.

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Jonno said:

As for Memento, there have been two transfers, haven't there? Are they both equally poor?

 Here is a comparison of the Memento disks. They look okay (and look similar to the DVD) except the new US transfer, which has been contrast boosted.

Regarding Memento, another favourite:

Similar story: The new director approved transfer is just plain stupid. Maybe too much success or too many drugs, we'll never know for sure. Not only the contrast is awfully boosted as well, but also the black&white-scenes are heavily filtered lowering the detail.

I personally stick to the original US-release despite its outdated MPEG-2 codec. But it looks as authentic as the movie probably looked in the cinemas. The German, Spanish I think and the Japanese one seem to have been all created from the same master but with different codecs (MPEG-2 vs. AVC). No big difference as far as one can tell from the screenshots, though.

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little-endian said:

PDB said:

I haven't downloaded it but I know kk650/kingkong made a regraded version where he fixed the contrast.

Many thanks for pointing me into the right direction, PDB. I even had the chance to grab a copy in the meantime. The effort which was done is amazing and the result is definitely better and colorwise closer to the DVD for sure, however clipped whites still clip which was expected since kk650 can't perform magic and create detail which has been gone already, so my search is still valid, I'm afraid.

Thanks little-endian, very kind of you to say that.

You're right about the clipped whites of course, that detail has been burned out of the blu-ray transfer and as much as I wanted to, I couldn't bring back the detail lost in the clipped whites or crushed blacks.

I love Leon: Director's Cut, its probably my favourite film, so after reading this thread i've been looking into whether a hdtv version exists with more details in the shadows and highlights. What I was able to discover was that there was a 14gb 1080i release of leon available of the internet a few years back, it had the details in the shadows and highlights intact, the only problem is that based on the screencap comparisons i've seen, the detail was very poor indeed, the hdtv version looked softer even than the dvd. Here are some comparisons by Xylon on AVS below showing the hdtv version compared to the dvd and blu-ray:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-blu-ray-software/1200776-la-professional-comparison-pix.html

For now it seems that the best source is the blu-ray, warts and all. I just hope that at some point this film gets a 4K remaster, it really does deserve it, brilliant acting, fantastic script, great cinematography and an incredible score, with the Director's Cut it has it all, an almost perfect film IMHO.

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I still prefer to have the proper color grading, contrast level and much more image on all the four sides of the HDTV Vs. better overall details of the BD... then, a grain plate applied to the former should give back some of the lost details - or, better, fools the brain (through the eye) to *think* it has better resolution than before...

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Hello kk650,

so great to have you here contributing to the thread I started. Since I hadn't thanked you on "the other" forum yet, the least I can do, is to do it here now - fantastic work you did and the result is as good as it was possible in this case.

Maybe it would be theoretically possible to somehow combine the details contained in the dark and bright scenes from the DVD with the BD version, but I guess this would be an insane effort so I still cannot understand how people, genius enough to create such a great movie, care so little about how their own hard work is presented on home video. If I would be a filmmaker, I'd be in direct contact with every part of the distribution chain to ensure that my movie would be presented in the highest quality possible on any given medium.

However, I discovered something else and hence I'm afraid that my thread title I chose in the first place, is insufficient and should rather have been "Léon - The Professional: in search of a theatrical HD master *without* contrast boost AND theatrical audio mix".

Refer to my post here.

I wasn't sure whether or not to create another thread and since it's somehow related to those DTS-preservations, I posted it there but now I think this topic is 'bigger'.

I dig into this a bit further and found out that the DTS file which is contained in your customized "16GB-release", seems to be the core of the - probably US - Blu-ray's DTS-HD MA 7.1 - track. Whereas the core "only" has 5.1 channels of course, it will be hardly based on the theatrical mix, but the 7.1 upmix because I strongly doubt that Léon had been produced in 7.1 at its time.

I also checked out the Japanese Blu-ray version of Léon which comes with a TrueHD-track. As if this was supposed to be the perfect proof that audio codecs don't really matter at all, but the mix is virtually the only thing which counts, this release seems to be the weakest audio-wise: The levels on all channels are not only significanly much lower, but they seriously lack dynamics and the LFE-track, compared to "your" DTS file and mine from the JP DVD, consists of nothing but pure silence, so it's in fact a "5.0" mix - totally weird.

So far, I counted 4 quite different mixes of Léon (including the theatrical version, but this one is not that interesting for me). Unfortunately, neither of them is able to enthuse me:

1. "International Blu-ray" / kk650 custom version [DTS(*-HD MA)]: Highest dynamic range of all, higher LFE level, but weird "tinny" acoustics, especially during the "ring trick scene" at around 01h22m-01h23m.

2. "Japanese Blu-ray" [TrueHD/AC3 equal]: Low levels, low dynamics and completely empty LFE track, thus actually 5.0.

3. "US-DVD (theatrical cut)" [AC3]: Low levels, low dynamics and not very interesting in general since not the DC

4. "Japanese 2-Disc DVD SE" [DTS/AC3 equal]: appears to be the most theatrical mix to me as far as I can tell and without the weird "tinny" acoustics, but dynamic range could be higher for my taste.

The question is if the dynamic range has been artificially boosted on the BD or lowered for the DVD. Hence I'm keen on comparing some LaserDisc or - even better - the original DTS discs which had been used in the cinema in 1994.

kk650, if you're interested and can spare some time for it, I'd appreciate if you could give the files I provide via FTP a listen. It's a downmix to Dolby Stereo Pro Logic (including the LFE) done via eac3to, but still it is quite abvious to me. If you like, I can also provide the separate tracks (C, L, R, LFE, SL, SR) as well as the preserved 'untouched' DTS-track from my DVD.

Maybe we could make a project out of this - to preserve Léon in it's director's cut length in the highest video and audio - quality possible.

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There's also a US Superbit DVD of the director's cut with dts 5.1.

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@Beber: Yeah, plenty of versions yet to be checked out, I'm afraid. You don't possess that one by chance? Maybe I buy some "first DVD release" and "shoot in the dark" for the sake of comparison like I already did with "Terminator 2", "Se7en" and "Fight Club".

In the meantime, I read through the thread at avsforums, kk650 mentioned - there, one user states:

"BTW, the LFE is also mixed about 10db hotter than typical reference LFE and previous DVDs. It can be very distracting especially in the 40hz and below range."

This would confirm my theory that the Blu-ray has been artificially "pumped up" not only on the video, but on the audio part as well. :(

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I do actually. I own that Léon DC Superbit DVD.

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FYI The US BD doesn't have a 7.1 track. It's just standard DTS-MA 5.1, the German BD has a DTS-HR 7.1 track though

The US BD though is upsampled to 96Khz/24 bit though  

I noticed the French BD has a 5.0 track that might be worth checking out

would love to see someone preserve The Big Blue (all different cuts and scores) just throwing that idea out there

 

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Beber said:

Is there an actual dts theater mix to look for? It was 1994. The first dts movie, Jurassic Park, was released in 1993. It was rather new, and Léon is basically a low, let's say modest budget French movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec

You definitely got a point here. You're right, I didn't take that into account - probably, there won't be any DTS-CDs to rip it from, then. However, if it is not a theatrical DTS mix the hunt shall be for, then be it a theatrical AC3 mix. I think the actual audio codec is negligible since all are able to reproduce the original master quite accurately (some might disagree but I doubt I'd pass a blind test between PCM, and AC3/DTS at high bitrates). Unfortunately, we might be talking about the optical AC3 track on the 35mm film then which makes it much more difficult to ever rip that stuff.

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FYI The US BD doesn't have a 7.1 track. It's just standard DTS-MA 5.1, the German BD has a DTS-HR 7.1 track though

The US BD though is upsampled to 96Khz/24 bit though  

I noticed the French BD has a 5.0 track that might be worth checking out 

Many thanks for correcting me here - you're right and I'm unfortunately wrong. Only the German release seems to have that 7.1 mix which is quite typical for the label "Kinowelt". They already screwed up the German language track of "Terminator 2" and other movies as well so I'm pretty sure that this is at best a custom upmix and not the SDDS source, some would kill for to get their hands on. ;)

Since I blabbered about the different audio tracks of Léon, I thought that pictures are worth a thousand words:

Léon CenterLeftLFERightSurround LeftSurround Right

Every screenshots shows the same channel (!) - from top to bottom: kk650's used DTS track (whatever this version is now), the German Blu-ray 5.1 DTS core, the Japanese 5.1 TrueHD track and finally the Japanese DVD 5.1 DTS track.

And to make it perfect, here are some numbers regarding the dynamic range, sorted by its channels in the same order:

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DR19      -0.38 dB   -25.57 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_kk650_dts.C

DR19      -4.92 dB   -28.82 dB   2:12:50 ?-leon_debd_dts.C

DR13      -7.71 dB   -25.03 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_jpbd_thd.C

DR20       0.00 dB   -26.11 dB   2:12:56 ?-leon_dvd_dts.C

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DR20      -0.71 dB   -27.49 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_kk650_dts.L

DR18      -9.24 dB   -33.50 dB   2:12:50 ?-leon_debd_dts.L

DR14     -12.56 dB   -32.38 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_jpbd_thd.L

DR21      -6.81 dB   -34.16 dB   2:12:56 ?-leon_dvd_dts.L

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DR23      -0.12 dB   -31.16 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_kk650_dts.LFE

DR21     -25.78 dB   -54.46 dB   2:12:50 ?-leon_debd_dts.LFE

DR0      -124.49 dB    -1.#J dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_jpbd_thd.LFE

DR19      -6.36 dB   -32.61 dB   2:12:56 ?-leon_dvd_dts.LFE

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DR21       0.00 dB   -27.16 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_kk650_dts.R

DR17      -7.26 dB   -32.29 dB   2:12:50 ?-leon_debd_dts.R

DR14     -11.91 dB   -31.48 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_jpbd_thd.R

DR21      -5.79 dB   -32.58 dB   2:12:56 ?-leon_dvd_dts.R

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DR26      -0.50 dB   -34.64 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_kk650_dts.SL

DR18      -5.28 dB   -30.14 dB   2:12:50 ?-leon_debd_dts.SL

DR15     -13.29 dB   -34.48 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_jpbd_thd.SL

DR21     -10.27 dB   -37.99 dB   2:12:56 ?-leon_dvd_dts.SL

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DR25      -1.71 dB   -33.89 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_kk650_dts.SR

DR17      -7.20 dB   -30.78 dB   2:12:50 ?-leon_debd_dts.SR

DR15     -13.29 dB   -34.48 dB   2:12:53 ?-leon_jpbd_thd.SR

DR21     -10.30 dB   -38.01 dB   2:12:56 ?-leon_dvd_dts.SR

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Although it's under debate how well the TT dynamic range meter works for whole movie tracks with a length of several hours, the bias is clear: the Japanese TrueHD Blu-ray is by far the weakest dynamic-wise.

When it comes to the "tinniness" of the surround channels during the "ring trick" scene, the kk650-version is - also by far - the worst, it really sounds like played through a rain barrel and as if they converted the track a thousand times.

But judge yourself, I provide the "Surround Left" - channel of this particular scene via FTP as well for comparison:

ftp://Leon:Mathilda@dynamic-toad.no-ip.biz

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This thread might me dated, but it seems I have a good reason to bump it up again: 😄

A few days ago, I searched around at caps-a-holic.com once again and wondered if yet another release of “Léon” had been issued on Blu-ray, probably taken from the same master as usual.

As it turns out, not only there is yet another release, but this time, one where they finally got the job done right (maybe, they hired a professional 😉). When comparing the shots, one can really see how crappy the previous master was. Overblown and even suffering from aliasing, take a look at the wires!

On few “window-scenes”, the DVD still shows slightly more detail. However, the new Blu-ray makes up for it having scenes where the DVD was actually already clipping (white sky instead of a blue one).

So all in all I would say, contrast-wise it’s a draw at least and of course, the new BD features way higher resolution so it’s quite easy what to choose now.

As for this particular shot, I actually tend to prefer the color-timing of the former Blu-ray. However, on the US DVD, Léon’s face was similarly reddish, so … kk650 - your turn now! 😉

More tricky is and probably stays the audio part. Taking the new Dolby Atmos Gizmo aside, unfortunately, the 7.1 track of the new Blu-ray features the same tinny acoustics, clearly hearable in the now for me infamous “Ring Trick” - scene. Whereas the fire after the detonation sounds like burning flames on the old DVD and LaserDisc (presented in matrixed Dolby Surround here), on the newer remixes, it sounds like they converted and recoded the audio multiple times like played through a barrel.

By the way, the “uncut international version” (US RC1 DVD) says “Newly Created English 5.1 (Dolby Digital)” on the back cover, next to the “English 2-Channel (Dolby Surround)”, which makes me wonder what the original source is.

However, and this is where one has to choose one’s poison here - the former mix isn’t flawless either. In Léon’s sentence “Better make it quick, or else you will be here all day listening to his crap”, the “crap” slightly distorts* whereas on the new mix, it surprisingly doesn’t. Also the average level of dialog seems to be higher in general on the LaserDisc, so maybe they mixed that one hotter than it was good, but this is pure speculation.

*the same slight distortions occur on the older mix of Jurassic Park (refer to the corresponding thread if interested) whereas they are gone on the newer mixes they used for the Blu-rays. The question remains if the original recording was clean and messed up before or recorded slightly distorted in the first place and cleaned up later on recent remixes. Without any insider information it will remain a mystery I’m afraid.

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I’ve too been wondering about he new Cinema series disc. The image looks far better but not perfect. However they up mixed to 7.1 Atmos for no reason. I didn’t know about the 5.1 already been suspect for AQ, but the old Blu has hires 24/96 audio that is better quality than the new track.

It has also been announced for 4kuhd disc by Sony so expect another soon.

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Since the main reason I started this thread was the unsatisfying overblown Blu-ray image, I’m very pleased with the current release, even if it might not be perfect either. In total definitely a major upgrade compared to the former DVD and BD releases.

The 96-kHz-release for me is suspicious alone by the fact that it’s very unlikely that this movie was ever recorded at such a sample rate, hence probably just an upsampling for marketing purposes. Besides that, considering the recording qualify (slight distortions) especially of Jean Reno’s voice, I would say that even 44.1 kHz/16 bit is pure waste.

If enough here are interested, I could contribute some soundtracks to be muxed together with the nice 4K-sourced picture.

I got:

2.0 AC3 from the US DVD
5.1 AC3 from the US DVD
5.1 AC3 from the JP DVD
5.1 DTS from the JP DVD
2.0 PCM from the JP LD

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captainsolo said:

I’ve too been wondering about he new Cinema series disc. The image looks far better but not perfect. However they up mixed to 7.1 Atmos for no reason. I didn’t know about the 5.1 already been suspect for AQ, but the old Blu has hires 24/96 audio that is better quality than the new track.

It has also been announced for 4kuhd disc by Sony so expect another soon.

For no reason?
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What I don’t get: why in heaven’s name can’t they include the damn original mix once and for all in addition? Shall they remix the thing a thousand times and announce 22.5 Ultra-HD-Spectral-Bat-compatible audio in 384 kHz and 64 bit as long as they simply include what was obviously good enough to be presented in the cinema at that respective time. Is that so difficult? sigh

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For no reason?
Idiots who lap it up due to wanting all their speakers filled is a reaosn

Yep, it’s essentially 3D upconversion for audio. You’ve got a fancy new 3D TV and 21 channels of audio, and then you watch My Dinner with Andre and say “Hold up, what’s with this 2D video and mono audio crap!” So they hire a fly-by-night outfit do a 3D conversion, upmix the mono (and let me just tell you this actually happens and it’s exactly as bad as it sounds), and BOOM, they’ve got a disc they think is actually more appealing than the film was when it was actually in theatres.

That said, there’s a LITTLE bit of reason for messing with the audio IMO, and only just so much. Just as with video, when going back to the negatives means you lose the color timing and have to re-time everything to (hopefully) match, when going back to audio stems, you have to re-mix them as well. And theatre surround formats (e.g. 4.2) don’t quite match common home video surround formats, so a little remixing there may be warranted as well. If it’s done carefully, and with fidelity to the original in mind.

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An audio comparison would be nice Endian. The original mix should have been in 5.1 with a 2.0 matrix alternate for a 1994 film. The Atmos track is really just a 7.1 core remix that has added or spread around height channels.

I’m thinking about just waiting for the reviews on the upcoming 4kuhd disc of Leon. It should be identical but with of course massive resolution upgrades.

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Finally had the chance to rip the audio of the Japanese LaserDisc and compare it to the 5.1 mix of the DVD. Since I wanted to be “fair”, I took the 5.1 DTS track of the Japanese DVD (the AC3 tracks seems to have been encoded from the same master and hence is virtually indistinguishable from the DTS encode), put it through eac3to and decoded to a Dolby Surround Pro Logic Downmix - one time with mixing the LFE in and the other without.

I did this because it seems that’s roughly the only major difference between the mixes of the DVD and LD. If you look closely, you’ll see two peaks around minute 14 and 15 - this is the “more” of bass from the LFE at least in certain scenes which the LD version somehow lacks. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with it - a nice and dynamic mix.

Although I have to admit that the explosions rock a little bit more on the new 7.1 mix provided by all the Blu-ray versions out there, their weird tinny acoustics totally ruins it for me.

All in all, I tend to believe that the 5.1 mix provided by the Japanese DVD and LD is probably the closest to the cinematic one whereas the 7.1 mix and especially the Dolby Atmos version has been reedited, pumped up and remixed to death.

Hence the 5.1 and 2.0 mixes are well worth preserving. I haven’t synced it so far but judging by the waveform, there are worse candidates and a few edits should do it.

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Sorry to boost a very old thread, but we’re still trying to find the original theatrical mix. I am not an expert, but here is what I have deducted so far. It seems that originally Leon was released in 4-channel Dobly Stereo and 8-channel SDDS (the so-called theatrical version), which we can clearly see from the titles on the print:

https://imgur.com/a/hqHF4Dn

Then Besson decided to re-release the longer version for the bored office workers in the summer of 1996, and it seems that the only audio they had on that release was just Dolby Stereo, which we can see here:

https://imgur.com/a/r2Z39XL

Some people mention that the theatrical version was released with DTS as well, but we still need a confirmation that this was the case. DTS is never mentioned in the titles of the print.

Also, if you look at the 35mm film cell strips they sell on eBay or whatever, you don’t see DTS time code on them, only optical stereo track:

https://imgur.com/a/aMRq6El

This however might be the film cell strip from the longer cut (no SDDS track on it either) and the DTS still could be found on the theatrical cut print.

Be as it may, one thing for sure, the 4-channel Dolby Stereo found on the LD’s, DVD’s and, probably, on the Optimum UK Blu-ray in the lossless form, must be the theatrical surround mix.

However, I’d be happy if someone with more expertise could comment on this.

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