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I’m sure this had been discussed to death, but have there been any fan prequel projects? I know of at least one fan script that was written well before the prequels were made and there are a couple fan projects for making minor tweeks to the existing prequels. I’ve been having ideas for a total teardown on the prequels. Starting from scratch and writting them so that they work better as episodes 1, 2, 3 of a six-part series. In short, prequels that do not suck. It is actually an interesting challenge. I’m just curious just how much interest there would be in such a thing or if others had tried it.

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Oh, there've been several so far! If you're interested, you're in for a treat!

I first recommend my own:
9000 Edits
Not to brag, but I think they're pretty good.

Then there's the quite popular ADigitalMan saga edit:
Digie Edits
If you ask me, there are too many unneeded deleted scenes put back in and not enough removed. But worth a look!

Then there's the most famous prequel edit thus far, Magnoliafan's version:
Flowerman's Spectacular
Absolutley stunning!

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Hey thanks, Hal.

But I'm thinking more along the lines of totally redone vs fan edits. I had considered the fan edit route, but i would have to change so much to get it the way I want it, I might as well just reshoot it. Which, of course limits how I can present it. At best I could *eventually* make an animation...maybe. More than likely I probably won't get past a story synopsis, but we'll see how that goes.
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To go the preservation section and go to the Shroud To The Dark Side edit, I think thats what your talking about and the Starkiller edit for the other episodes
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Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
But I'm thinking more along the lines of totally redone vs fan edits... I might as well just reshoot it... At best I could *eventually* make an animation...maybe. More than likely I probably won't get past a story synopsis, but we'll see how that goes.

Sounds very ambitious. I'm fairly new to the forum, too, but I haven't bumped into anything like this, yet.

Like DarthRichard mentioned below, Trooperman is doing a lot of re-tooling for Episode 2 (Episode 2: Shroud of the Dark Side), which includes entirely re-dubbing Anakin, re-writing dialogue, color-correcting to change day into night and changing lightsaber color. His in-depth effort might come the closest to what you are talking about, but it's still not an entire production from the ground up.

Good luck! I'd love to see any progress you make.
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Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
I'm sure this had been discussed to death, but have there been any fan prequel projects? I know of at least one fan script that was written well before the prequels were made and there are a couple fan projects for making minor tweeks to the existing prequels. I've been having ideas for a total teardown on the prequels. Starting from scratch and writting them so that they work better as episodes 1, 2, 3 of a six-part series. In short, prequels that do not suck. It is actually an interesting challenge. I'm just curious just how much interest there would be in such a thing or if others had tried it.


I've re-written full screenplays for Episode I and II, and I pretty much did it from scratch. Episode III has been a long time in progress, but mostly because - like Lucas - I can't stop tinkering with my former works!
MTFBWY. Always.

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my very first thought after seeing the phantom menace was: 'any real star wars fan could've made a better movie'

i'm totally behind the idea of a complete remaking of the prequels, with many different events, and much more continuity building to the events of 4,5,6.
thank the maker
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Originally posted by: theredbaron
I've re-written full screenplays for Episode I and II, and I pretty much did it from scratch. Episode III has been a long time in progress, but mostly because - like Lucas - I can't stop tinkering with my former works!

Really? Is it available anywhere? I would be interested in seeing what choices you'd made.
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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Good luck! I'd love to see any progress you make.


I find various ideas come and go, start small and then grow as I dwell on them. I'm starting to think that my effort would be better spend on a project of my own so that the fanboys can bitch when i put out a special edition with enhanced footage

But, here's the basic story outline I have so far, such as it is, with a few notes. Like Lucas's original story synopsis, it would likely be very different from the final product, should one ever get made. In other words, what you read here is subject to change, and lots of it.

Also, as much as I love Star Wars, I'm not as well read on the EU or any other sources outside of the movies. So like Lucas, the movies are what I will base the prequels on and unlike Lucas, the movies are the only thing I will remain true to.

The Cloan Wars

That is not a typo. "Cloan" is the name for the recurring villians here. My reasoning is that there was a throwaway line referencing the "Clone Wars" in ANH. In 1977, "clone" was a vague, science fictiony word which could have meant anything. In 2006, the term clone is not only widely understood but has crossed from science fiction to science fact. Who'd a thunk that? I may be reading intentions not in Lucas's original ideas, but I also can't think of a way to work in the concept of cloning. I hated it in the prequels. With the clones and droid armies we basically were given two utterly disposable armies fighting with each other and as such there was no drama because we do not care about any of them. I don't like that. If I can think of a way to make cloning a part of the pplot I will but for now it's not Clone, it's Cloan.

Part 1: A Shooting Star

In the opening crawl we learn the villianous CLOAN ARMADA which has been waging an all-out war to overthrow the REPUBLIC. They have managed to gain a foothold on the peaceful world of ALDERAN, enslaving the planet to use it as a launch pad for further assaults.

The royal family of Alderan has been scattered. Prince Bail Organa struggles with a rebel band of followers to free his world from tyranny while his siter, Princess Amidala is under the protection of the famed Jedi Knight, Obi Wan Kenobi and his apprentice Qui Gon Jin. Forced into hiding, she prays for a chance to strike back at the armada and bring freedom back to her people...




Where's Brian DePalma when you need him?

This sets the stage for all the tension. The problem with the actual prequels is that there is no clear enemy, which was part the plan, but it unfortunately did not work. Star Wars was always a very simple story with very, very clear right and wrong. The muddled morality weakens the story. Worse, it makes the whole series not feel like Star Wars. It feels like the worst rip-off of Star Wars since Krull. It also weakens the narrative. A running thread through the OOT was the presence of Vader as a nemisis. Without that... It just doesn't work right.

Maybe my concept is similarly weak, but let's look at it thus far:

I have set up a struggle with the Republic under attack from an outside force, the Cloan Armada. Why? How do we know they are called the Cloan Armada? Who cares? How did Vader know Luke Skywalker's name by the begining of ESB? Some stuff doesn't really matter as long as the plot gets moving at a good pace. And this is a good pace. We are In Media Res for the Cloan Wars. Do we really need to see the time of peace before the war? I don't think so. All in all, I think this conflict is better for Star Wars than a blockage based on some kind of taxation dispute or whatever the heck it was.

Note how while this concept is a totally teardown of the prequels to start from scratch, I am not above reusing ideas here, such as the characters of Amidala and Qui Gon, although there are somewhat different people than in the actual prequels. I'm not planning on using the name Padme at this time, but Amidala sure as hell won't be going by that. I get that Lucas was trying to use the old saw from the cliffhangers of the dual identity and stuff as well as something from the original story synopsis where the princess was rather plain looking at first but was like a godess at the award ceremony. I just don't see the point of it, personally. Also, I ditched Naboo in favor of making Amidala part of the royal house of Alderan. Simplify things wherever possible. I'm making Qui Gon the apprentice because I think Obi Wan should have two apprentices, for reasons that will become clear later. I do flip flop over whether Obi Wan already has Qui Gon at this point or not, which will be clear later.

We open on the planet Aquilae at night. A shooting star goes by and three speeder whiz by, young people out joyriding. In the speeders are Owen Lars, Benjamin, Anakin Skywalker who has his girlfriend Beru riding with him. They race around. Anakin is easily the best pilot and makes more daring manuvers. They get a strange single on their scanners and land to investigate. Sneaking up on it quietly, they see a small detachment of Cloan Soldiers have landed. They are excited and frightened by this. They observe for a few moments and determine that it is not an invasion but they appear to be looking for something. The head back to their speeders but are spotted. They race away with the Cloan Soldiers in pursuit. Through ariel acrobatics and tactics, they manage to get the pursuing Cloans to crash land, but not before Owen is shot down near an old farm house.

I'm doing a few things here. One, I want to start Anakin as a young man/teenager. I understood the desire to have Anakin start as a small boy, but I didn't like it. If he was too old, Luke was positively ancient. Benjamin may have a red shirt on him at this point unless i manage to handle him right. Fans of the OOT probably can guess he's doomed.

I couldn't figure out how Owen could be Luke's uncle. Owen's name is Lars, but Beru does not seem like a Skywalker, and I hated the overcomplicated family ties in the actual prequels. Basically stepbrothers, right? Instead, I thought it would be good to make owen and Anakin just real good friends. People have their children call especially close friends aunt or uncle even though there is no actual relation. I kind of like this because it gives us a reason to give a fig about Owen and Beru and makes there eventual deaths all the more tragic. At least for this first installment, we will see them actually engage in the struggle so that their decision to become simple farmers is a very real choice. They tried being amoung the movers and shakers in a galactic struggle, and decided it was not for them. But I am getting ahead of myself. Also, I made Beru Anakin's girlfriend here because it will give some potential tension when Anakin falls for the princess and Beru decides to go with owen instead. We'll see how I handle that.

A man comes out of the farm house. It turns out to be Obi Wan Kenobi, the famous Jedi Knight. He congratulates the young people on their stunt flying and check on Owen to make sure he is OK. ObiWan decides this planet is no longer safe and tells the princess that they should leave. The young people ask if they can come with them, but ObiWan refuses because it is too dangerous and that they should go home and he watches them speed away.

Obiwan, his apprentice and the princess secret away to a space port In the hopes of meeting a contact for safe passage to a new hiding place. The princess is accousted by roughians. obiwas and his apprentice defend her and are helped by the youths who has followed them. ObiWan relutantly agrees to let them come along.

The escape and are contacted by Bail Organa who asks them to return to Alderan to help with the battle against the Cloans. The return and ensuing fighting occurs involving the Cloan battle plattform, which is a space station that is in synchronous orbit around the planet because it has a long elevator that leads from the planet surface all the way to the platform in space.

During the ensuing action:

* Anakin and Amidala start a romantic interlude
* Beru and Owen also kindle a romantic spark
* Benjamin dies in ObiWan's arms, giving him a guilty concious about bringing the kids along
* Anakin's skills and force potential becomes apparent to ObiWan
* The platform is destroyed, the Cloans are defeated, Alderan is saved. Yay!

At the end, Obi Wan invites Anakin to train under him to be a Jedi Knight, even though having more than one apprentice at the same time is unheard of for the Jedi. He accepts. Owen decides that this is not the life for him and will return home. He asks Anakin to come with him, but Anakin says he is staying. There is a tearful separation between Beru and Anakin that is similar to the ending of Casablanca but she eventually gets on the transport. Obiwan, Quigon, Anakin holding hands with Amidala watch it depart.

Fade out.


A lot of this is pretty sketchy right now. I think the prioncess needs some kind of mcGuffin to give the Cloans a reason to seek her out. I mean, they took over her planet. Why do they need her? Beats me. It's in the script.

Naturally, we'd be seeing all kinds of ass-kicking on the part of the priciples, including Bail Organa. Fleshing out his character and the planet Alderan will help make its destruction all the more potent.

There are two things I want to try to avoid in these prequels that the actual prequels did:

1) outdoing the OOT. A big land and space battle was how the OOT closed, so what's that doing in TPM? Double Light saber? R2D2 flying? WTF? The Star Wars series always built with each episode trying to outdo the previous episode in some way. But these movies are supposed to come before those movies, so they shouldn't outdo them. It is a difficult task to make these movies work well as the first three episodes of a series while being interesting to today's audiences.

2) no friggin' cameos!. i didn't like how R2D2, C3PO, Greedo, Chewbacca and probably others were just kind of dropped into the movies. it felt cheep, like "Oh look, there's so-and-so from the OOT" I hate that. Actors appearing is OK, like Warwick Davis. I also don't mind 98 Degrees, to be frank. It's not like they'd be singing. But characters should be there if they matter, and for most of these folks, they don't.
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Part 2: The Shadow Falls

This one is even more sketchy, but this is what I have.

* Anakin has been training to be a Jedi Knight.

* Qui Gon is still an apprentice and is chaffing under Obi Wan's tutilage now.

* The nature of the Jedi is different from the actual prequels. In those films, the jedi were rather institutionalized with a rigid structure and such. My Jedi are much looser. ObiWan calls them together to try to get their aide against the Cloans, but they are reluctant as it is their duty to defend peace, not to be involved in political struggles. If the Cloan armadas conquer, they will continue to make peace under their regime.

* Obi Wan's most vocal opponent is Mace Windu who is displeased with Obi Wan's exploits as they are a bit garish for a Jedi.

* A mysterious figure in black has been killing Jedi Knights. This person wears a mask to conceal his identity

* Obi Wan and his apprentices go to find this person on a planet with poor atmosphere, so they wear breathing equipment which obscures their faces and alters their voices. the two apprentices search together and then one kills the other. ObiWan find the pile of clothes and Anakin's lightsabre, which he takes.

* Obi Wan confront the figure in black and learns that the person calls himself Darth Vader and is one of his apprentices. They battle and vader is plunged into the lava.

* ObiWan returns to the front of the Cloan battle and finds out that the Jedi have sided with the Cloans. In the Chancellor's Palace, ObiWan and Mace Windu battle, but it turns out that the reason why the Cloans were attacking is because the chancellor of the Republic is evil and Obi Wan's loyalties had been sadly misplaced.

* Vader returns as a mechanical monstrosity and a battle ensues, jedi die but obi Wan escapes.

I kind of like the reversal here with the Cloans being actually the good guys all of a sudden because the chancellor is, you know, the emperor and stuff. It makes the story about the failings of Obi Wan, how is somewhat non-jedi ways led to the downfall of everything he holds dear.

Obviously, Bail and Amidala need to be in here somewhere, but it's sketchy as of yet. I think Anakin and Amidala's marriage needs to be stated at some point. They kind of have to be married since I doubt that children out of wedlock would go over well.

My main purpose here is to keep Vader's true identity a secret until ESB. Imagine the shock for someone who first sees these movies in order. This actually strengthens the whole 6-part series, tying them together. The actual prequel weaken this. Sure, we get to see Anakin's fall from grace, but it makes the reveal in ESB weaker because we already know this.


Part 3: The Fading Light

Still sketchy, but this is what I have:

* The chancellor declares the Republic is now an empire. "And democracy dies to thunderous applause" appears in the opening crawl, rather than being shown. Also the Jedi are declared outlaws. This is all in the crawl.

* Obi Wan has left behind the name of Obi Wan as it is no longer safe, so he goes by Ben. Note the tie in to the first episode! Woo!

* Amidala has secretly given birth to a son, which Obi Wan thinks should be hidden.

* the Emperor and Vader learn of the child and begin hunting for the son of Skywalker

*Obi Wan takes Luke to Dagobah and consults with his master, Yoda. Yoda tells him it is not safe to leave the boy here as the emperor is hunting down the Jedi and both he and Vader will not rest until they find the son of Skywalker.

* Vader confronts Amidala about her son and kills her when she refuses to tell him where he is.

* In a final battle, Vader and Obi Wan clash over the child, with lots of hiding and stuff, like the sabre battle in ESB. Which ends with vader seizing the infant and then obi Wan slices off his hand (mechanical) and tries to catch the child but the blanket unravels and the baby falls into the lava (Lava? Again??)

*years later, Obi Wan goes to tatooine where Owen and Beru have set up a moiture farm and tells them it is now safe as the emperor thinks Luke is dead and he has come to take Luke to train him to be a jedi Knight.

*Owen refuses to let Obi Wan take Luke and says that Anakin should have stayed with him and not gotten involved. ObiWan warn Owen to not get in the way of another's destiny and departs.

* Luke comes out and asks who that man was. Owen says it was no one important. They all look at the starry sky. A shooting star goes by. Beru points to it and says "Look! There's you're father. Owen gives her a sharp look and tells Luke that maybe someday he'll tell Luke all about him.

Fade out.


I don't think much here needs explanation. Making Luke a central item to drive the plot makes this a strong story. Making it appear that Luke is killed helps explain why the Emperor is not still searching for him. Bringing Luke to Dagobah adds to the lines Luke says in ESB about how Dagobah is familiar like he'd been there in a dream. I might even have a scene with Leia which Bail says is his daughter and he and Amidala exchange a look which becomes apparent in RotJ. I do like the ending and how the trilogy is bookended by a shooting star.

In any case, this is my idea for a prequel trilogy... at least at this time. I now welcome comments and rocks chucked at my head.
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Do you know, "f'an pre-quels" is actually Sanskrit for REALLY BAD IDEA.
VADER: Let me look on you with my own eyes...

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Originally posted by: Zebonka
Do you know, "f'an pre-quels" is actually Sanskrit for REALLY BAD IDEA.

So, what's the deal with the negativity, Zebonka?

If you've got constructive criticism, JSJ has said he's ready to hear it.
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Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
I find various ideas come and go, start small and then grow as I dwell on them. I'm starting to think that my effort would be better spend on a project of my own so that the fanboys can bitch when i put out a special edition with enhanced footage

I think we've got our hands full with Lucas. Thanks for the consideration, though.

Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
But, here's the basic story outline I have so far, such as it is, with a few notes.


Looks like a pretty comprehensive story arc in both posts. My friend and I talked about retelling the prequels' story, and it's pretty amazing that we came up with a similar connection for Owen, Beru and Anakin.

It all sounds pretty cool, but having Luke fall into lava, too? How does that work?

And I've had this vision set in my mind about the Clone Wars from early speculation about it involving Boba Fett's people, the Mandalorian.
One of the early ideas, I believe, was that the Clones were clones of the Mandalorian (like the Prequels), but they were made by the Mandalorian for their own use. And I can't help but love the idea of a sky-flying Mandalorians taking on an army of Jedi.

That being said, and aside from the fact that the OT reference is specifically to "clone", your "Cloan" idea is pretty ingenious.

Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
I'm starting to think that my effort would be better spend on a project of my own...


Yeah, I'm feeling burn-out over the whole SW thing, and once I'm done with my Episode 3 re-edit, I may drop it for the most part.
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Originally posted by: darkhelmetLooks like a pretty comprehensive story arc in both posts. My friend and I talked about retelling the prequels' story, and it's pretty amazing that we came up with a similar connection for Owen, Beru and Anakin.

It all sounds pretty cool, but having Luke fall into lava, too? How does that work?

Interesting that we came up with a similar idea for Owen, Beru and Anakin. But then, the connection between these characters needs to exist and a strong connection is better than a weak one. The actual prequels has a weak one.

It's like the difference between the theatrical and special editions of Aliens. In the Special Edition, Ripley had a daughter who had died of old age before she was found in suspended animation, so she attaches herself to the young girl Newt as a mother looking for a lost daughter or something like that. The theatrical version has no such set-up and it just appears that Ripley attaches to Newt out of awakening maternal instincts and a common bond as two people who had survived the Alien creatures. There is a debate on this, but I find the theatiracl version to have a stronger bond.

As for Luke falling into the lava, it's not Luke, obviously, but a ruse to fool Vader. Luke was actually already secreted off to the Owen and Beru. The ruse was necessary because if Vader and the Emperor did not think Luke was dead, they would have kept looking until they found him. I had thought this was a useful plot device and helps tie things better to the next trilogy. It makes Obi Wan's failure appear complete when he cuts off Vader's hand and then tries to catch the infant by only grabs a corner of the blanket which unrolls and the infant (possibly a droid or something) falls into the lava (or whatever. Using lava again may not be the best idea). His failure complete, He departs and Vader lets him go thinking he's won, saying "He will only return to die by my hand."

And I've had this vision set in my mind about the Clone Wars from early speculation about it involving Boba Fett's people, the Mandalorian.
One of the early ideas, I believe, was that the Clones were clones of the Mandalorian (like the Prequels), but they were made by the Mandalorian for their own use. And I can't help but love the idea of a sky-flying Mandalorians taking on an army of Jedi.

That being said, and aside from the fact that the OT reference is specifically to "clone", your "Cloan" idea is pretty ingenious.


Part of the reason for 'Cloan' is that it's likely to get more hits from a search engine for those who wish to find it, should I ever make anything out of this. However, my vision is pretty much in line with your vision. The Cloans I mention are Boba Fett's people. The term Mandalorian does not appear in the OOT, so I feel alright not using it. But maybe you have something there. In fact, it was a concept I had earlier. I have not fully dispensed of the idea, but I'm not as sure about it, either, hence why I did not include it in the synopsis above. Part of my plan is to have a young Cloan/Mandalorian character named Boba Fett appear, giving him something to actually do besides just looking badass in the OOT before dying stupidly.

In fact, he might be useful in the stuff about Luke's "death" above. Have him shoot at ObiWan but him "Luke" instead, adding a history to the "No disintigations." line in ESB. I mean, if Boba had disintigrated Vader's son, you'd bet he'd be pissed.

Yeah, I'm feeling burn-out over the whole SW thing, and once I'm done with my Episode 3 re-edit, I may drop it for the most part.


Yeah. That's why I've put this here. Maybe this is only good as a "it could have been" but a useful exercise in what is probably a difficult writing task, to make prequels that do not spoil the originals. In light of how difficult this task is, I think it's amazing the prequels were as good as they were. Particularly since Lawrence Kasdan is not part of the writing team anymore.
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I think you all are crazy! Obviously you guys have too much time on your hands and need a life. Man these ideas I'm reading sound like straight up crap. I'm reading these comments laughin at you clowns. You guys are a joke. The story is fine the way it is stop gettin all crazy with these half assed stories. These are movies to visually entertain people. Save all that crazy stuff for the books man. A lot of movies don't follow the books because they drag to much
and take to long to get to the point. The prequels are fine. Yeah they are not perfectly tying everything to the OT but they are good. All of you are complaining about the prequels but I bet you went to the movies to see all three of them (that is called supporting). They are already made so suck it up and move on.
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Je, please, find a different thread to contribute to if you have nothing constructive to say. Thanks.
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I'm sorry guys my emotions got the best of me. Its just people keep thrashing the prequels when I think they were fine how they are. Its episode IV I have a problem with. My bad guys.
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Originally posted by: Je
I think you all are crazy! Obviously you guys have too much time on your hands and need a life. Man these ideas I'm reading sound like straight up crap. I'm reading these comments laughin at you clowns. You guys are a joke. The story is fine the way it is stop gettin all crazy with these half assed stories. These are movies to visually entertain people. Save all that crazy stuff for the books man. A lot of movies don't follow the books because they drag to much
and take to long to get to the point. The prequels are fine. Yeah they are not perfectly tying everything to the OT but they are good. All of you are complaining about the prequels but I bet you went to the movies to see all three of them (that is called supporting). They are already made so suck it up and move on. Keep Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'

What's wrong with a few geeks stretching their imaginations, huh?

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Originally posted by: Je
I'm sorry guys my emotions got the best of me. Its just people keep thrashing the prequels when I think they were fine how they are. Its episode IV I have a problem with. My bad guys.
Looks like I spoke to soon. Apology accepted. But you like the prequels and have a problem with episode 4? And you call us crazy?

War does not make one great.

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Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
Thanks, DH
No problem. We all need to exercise our creative spirit.
Originally posted by: Je
I'm sorry guys my emotions got the best of me. Its just people keep thrashing the prequels when I think they were fine how they are. Its episode IV I have a problem with. My bad guys.

It's okay by me, but you should remember that you are in the forums for a website dedicated to the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars films of 1977, 1980 and 1983. 'Nuff said.
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Apology accepted. But you like the prequels and have a problem with episode 4? And you call us crazy?

Now, does name-calling get us anywhere good in Happy Land, guys? Come on now. Really.

You're crazy. He's crazy. I guess everyone here's just a bunch of Loony Tunes.
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I was going to start a new thread for "fan sequels?" in regards to a third trilogy, but I figure it'll keep things tidy to put it here, particularly since the idea hinges on the prequel idea I have here, although with work it might go with the actual prequels.

I was thinking about the sequel trilogy, you know, the last three movies of the nine-part series which would show a 50-year-old Luke Skywalker passing the torch on to a new hero Obi Wan-style. The movies Lucas says he'll never do now, much like how he'll never release the OOT on DVD. But anyway. I have read a little bit about what was originally planned for the sequel trilogy (ST). Two major elements according to what I had read were to be:

* The introduction of Luke's sister.
* A final confrontation with the Emperor.

As we all know, these two things were done in RotJ. So I was stymied for what to do in the ST. That and it would be difficult to introduce a whole new enemy at that point since it would need to tie into and somehow outdo the enemies that had gone before.

(I know of the New Jedi Order novels, but have never read any of them, so I don't know what's in them or if they're any good. Again, i'm sticking to what I know: the movies. In either case, I don't think I want to use the Solos. Why? Because, uh... Because they're dead. Yeah. They died of... mmm.. botulism. Yes. C3PO made them some bad Shrimp Louis and they all died horribly. "Oh, curse my metal body! Why didn't I read the experation date?" )

This, BTW, is one of the problems I had with the actual PT. It outdid the OT (original or SE) in several ways. Star Wars has a history of each episode outdoing the previous one, to show us something new and to up the ante. But the PT are supposed to be seen before the OT. So it doesn't quite work right. Things such as the double dong lightsabre and flying R2D2 and the martial arts swordfighting and especially General Grevious. I do like how Grevious foreshadows Darth Vader, but the CGI robot goy with four arms outdoes the tall guy dressed in all black.

However, while I think the PT should try not to outdo the OT, this is perfectly accceptible and even expected in the ST. Even the CGI would work, as far as I'm concerned. This means that I could use the double dong lightsabre and flying R2D2 and the martial arts swordfighting and, yes, even General Grevious in the ST.

But, this doesn't change that we have no villian left for the ST. Vader and the Emperor are dead. All that is left are some leftover Empire dudes, who are really too weak to make into a threat for a ST. It has to build. After confronting the Emperor of the Galaxy, a handfull of insurrectionist would be a let down.

However, as you may guess since I'm writing this post, inspiration came today. I actually don't have a nearly complete story arc worked out for this, unlike the PT above. Only a handful of ideas. Some of them may be good. But they do build on my PT ideas above. Maybe not so much as to not work with the actual PT, but a few names will pop up here and it might confuse those who don't realise that I'm also rewriting the PT. In any case, the ideas, starting with the big one:

An aging Luke has a young apprentice. I'm leaning towards a female apprentice, but I'm kind of working on an original idea like that, so maybe not. In either case, the apprentice is supposed to be the star of the show with Luke as a supporting character this time around. In any case, Luke gets separated from his apprentice at some point (This allows us the chance to see a young, unready Jedi rise to the occasion) and he is captured by the Lords of the Sith. It turns out the Sith were not ousted from power many years ago when the Republic was formed, but were actually the architects of the Republic. They had decided that it was better to be the power behind the throne and had been running things in the background all this time. When a Sith named Palpatine decided to seize power and bring back the glory days of the Sith Empire, the Sith sent the Cloan Armada (or Mandalorian Clone Armada?) to stop him. When that failed, they helped form the Rebel Alliance and eventually brought Palpatine down, restored the Republic, and went back to enjoying their position of manipulating things from behind the scenes.

This builds. In the OT, Palpatine was the face of ultimate evil, but here we learn he was just small potatoes compared to these guys. Especially their leader, Tyrranus (see? reusing names) who insists on calling Luke the Son of Vader, to his chagrin. It also ties all three trilogies together as it turns out the Sith were a present and active force, albeit unseen, in all 9 movies.

Luke's apprentice, meanwhile, gets involved in his (her?) own adventures and meets up with a man who calls himself Qui Gon Jin. This Qui Gon turns out to be like Don Quiote. That is, he's completely nuts and thinks he's a Jedi Knight. Qui Gon is followed by an alien whose life Qui Gon had save and now the alien owes him a life debt and basically has to keep chasing Qui gon around to keep him out of trouble. And that alien's name is... wait for it... Jar Jar Binks.

Yes, I actually would use Jar Jar. Call me crazy. But, keep in mind, this is not the same Jar Jar we all know and loathe. The actual jar jar was supposed to be comedy relief but he did little besides bumbling around and he got to add farting to the Star Wars cannon. This Jar Jar gets his humor from the interplay with the insane Qui Gon, which I think is more befitting Star Wars and likely to just be funny for a change. But then, if anyone could make Jar Jar Bink likable in any way, it would be a miracle.

The last idea I have may not fit the ST and may be better for a TV series or something. Basically, the galaxy gets invaded by aliens from Outside. As in outside this dimension. As in they are not part of the Force. Although, come to think of it, this may have been done by an EU book, but I don't think I actually read it. In either case, I would see these being as like Lovecraftian Horror type stuff.

Whether or not an actual plot come out of this material remains to be seen.
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Actually, alot of the tech of the prequels, especially the droid technology, would fit right in with a sequel trilogy set in the future of the GFFA.
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I like some of your ideas, Spencer, and agree with some general concepts Anakin is older (teenager), drop the stupid "Padme" name, Owen a little more connected to Anakin, but the "Cloan" thing throws me off right away. Obi-Wan said, "Clones" and it's in the scripts, and it's in the novelisation, so I can't get past that, and I think there's a pretty good story in that. I have a blog with some ideas on it. I have ideas for the "true prequel" too, but then I'd like to change ROTJ, too for an even better prequel. There are problems in ROTJ that make the prequel idea rather clunky. However, I'll give you the version that uses the OOT as presented.

When I approached doing my own version of the prequels, I tried to think of myself (hypothetically) as Lucas' friend and producer and we used a lot of his ideas, but I steer him in better directions. I had always planned on making an illustrated PT, but I just don't have the time to devote to it. Maybe some day, but I'll share my ideas (some Sanctuary people are going to recognize this---or maybe not).

I tentatively call Episode I "The Legacy of Skywalker"

First, some backstory is in order (this worked for the OOT, it should work for this, too). 500 years ago, Yoda and an ancestor of Skywalker fought a powerful dark side entity (Why use this concept? Because I'm inspired by the dark shrieks and shadowy things that come out of the Emperor when he's destroyed in ROTJ--what IS that?), and imprisoned it in a 'bunker' on Dagobah (the explanation for the structure that we see there and why it is a 'domain of evil'). Palpatine, a young, meek explorer 500 years later discovers the 'bunker' and unleashes the evil (after raging in there over the last few centuries).

It possesses him (In early script developments Lucas had written a character that was an explorer/archealogist/scientist type person). Using Palpatine's body, the evil entity plotted the destruction of the Jedi. I know some people don't like the possession aspect, but bear with me. We also could have a prophecy at this point, or just a simple declaration by Skywalker, that if the evil were to ever be released, that Skywalker will return to battle it. In my backstory (which isn't too far off from ideas in Lucas' early scripts) Skywalker takes up his family and vanishes from the public (he settles on Tatooine).

Other changes. The Jedi are a looser organization (which a lot of OOT fans seem to agree on) and they do not answer to anyone, but respect the Republic since it has always been a champion of good, etc. At this point in the story, though, no new Jedi have emerged, which worries the Jedi. Obi-Wan has a student, who is believed to be the last known Jedi aspirant. We'll call him "Darth Vader." Also, as in early scripts of Lucas' the Jedi have pledged themselves to aid worlds. Obi-Wan, since he was born on Alderaan, has pledged himself to protect Bail Organa, it's senator.

We open with the Republic ship returning to Alderaan. They discover the world is surrounded by Mandalores (and it’s NOT over taxation disputes), a technologically dependent society (I chose the Mandalores, even though not mentioned in the films IS mentioned in the ESB novelisation. It seemed the most logical choice of villains, especially since it claims the Jedi fought them). They are preparing to invade the planet with their vast armies of robots (robots which look more like IG-88 than the droids in TPM). The invasion fleet is led by a Sith Lord (who I'll just call Count Sandage, borrowing a name from an early Star Wars script), and a battle-hardened Mandalorian General named Fett (I know how it sounds right now, but again, bear with me). Obi-Wan and Vader sense the Sith on board, and the Sith senses them as well. He orders the ship to be destroyed, and they're damaged. The ship, pursued by Mandalorian fighters, crash lands on Alderaan, thus beginning the invasion.

Meanwhile, (and additional background notes: In the early scripts, Lucas had a world that was advanced in sciences, mainly biological advancements and genetics, including cloning. This is why the Mandalores want to invade Alderaan. Mandalores have become so dependent on their technology, that they have allowed their human population to lapse, and have been without a human army for generations. With the cloning technology, they plan to build a vast army to replace or enhance their droid armies.) Anyway, the Queen (yes, I’m keeping the concept, but with a better explanation [more backstory]-à) Like I said, Alderaan was a master of sciences. A hundred years ago or so, needing a labor force to mine out their energy globes (yes, keeping that concept, too), they created the Gungans (yep, keeping them, too, but they have a better design. see below). Alderaan was ruled by a wise and Beautiful Queen, Amidala. She took pity on the Gungans and ordered their release. Rather than integrate into Alderaan society, the Gungans moved into the swamps. Though they despise the Alderaans, they always held the Queen in high reverence (this is inspired by the TPM Gungans’ “sacred place”).

Anyway, the beloved Queen Amidala died, and in their grief, the Alderaans decided to clone the Queen so that they may always have her wise rule. Of course, this upset the Organa family who would’ve been the ones to rule if she were not the queen. In tribute to them, they were made the senatorial representatives of Alderaan. So, the Queen was cloned again and again, the Amidala of Episode I would be the sixth incarnation, and not quite ready to lead as she needs to mature. In her stead, a council has been appointed. However, the council is corrupt and weak, and against her wishes, they conceded to the Mandalores demands, allowing them to occupy the planet. (As a side note, the Galactic Republic has deemed that cloning is an abomination and abolished it, so they believe the Queens are just descendents).

Meanwhile, with the senator in tow, the Jedi fight off droids, but are soon outnumbered. They flee into the swamps. The Gungans, who don’t look like the ones in TPM, are more frog-like with flat, broad faces and frog-like eyes. They are amphibian, but big and muscular. With their most capable warrior leading them (We’ll call him Jarjar for now), they destroy the pursuing droids and save the Jedi and Senator. The Gungans think the Alderaans are trying to destroy them, so they bring them as prisoners to their leaders. (Vader wants to kill the Gungans and escape, but Obi-Wan orders him to stand down and do as they say). Bail, who has a prejudice against the Gungans doesn’t want to go, but Obi-Wan is his protector and insists they have no other choice.

They are brought before the leader of the Gungans, and in a trick to get the Gungans and Alderaans to work together, Obi-Wan leaves Bail in their protective custody while the Jedi try to get to a ship and get help from the Republic. Bail, however, orders Obi-Wan to rescue the Queen. That she can not fall into the hands of the Mandalores. Obi-Wan reluctantly agrees.

In exchange for Bail, Obi-Wan takes Jarjar to bring them to the main city of Alderaan. Jarjar is reluctant, because he has a distaste for Jedi and the Force, but he agrees. Jarjar, a CAPABLE navigator and pilot, takes a mini-sub through the “Corridor” a dangerous, monster-riddled chasm that leads directly to the main city (we can use Theed for now).

The Sith Lord gloats over the captured Queen, and reveals to her that the Mandalores know about the illegal cloning they’ve been doing. The Sith Lord tells her they will locate the hidden labs and revitalize their culture and expand their empire. The Queen is defiant and will not cooperate. (Sidenote: I’m keeping the decoy handmaidens, but there are only two).

Like in TPM, the heroes are attacked by a large fish, but Obi-Wan uses the Force to waken the larger creature to aid them. Soon after, they are attacked by a droid sub, but after some fancy maneuvering in a energy globe mine, they destroy the droid sub with one of the energy globes. They surface in Theed, and make their way to find the Queen.

Meanwhile, The Count orders the cloning technology and the Queen to be sent back to Mandalore.

Between the Jedi and the capable Jarjar, they save Amidala. Obi-Wan explains that he is under orders to take her back to Coruscant for protection and seek aid from the Republic. Panaka and Bibble remain behind to start a resistance. Amidala would rather stay and help her people, but sees the wisdom in going to the Republic.

The Count senses the presence of the Jedi and goes to face them.

Suddenly, they’re attacked by droids and Vader and Obi-Wan are cut off from each other. While Vader fights off the numerous droids, he yells to Obi-Wan, telling him to get out of here with the Queen. As the Queen enters the ship, she’s greeted by her protocol droid who is shot down by a stray shot. The ship takes off, leaving Vader and a handmaiden behind. They’re pursued by droid fighters, fired upon by the main Mandalore command ship and damaged, but they manage to jump into hyperspace, but still pursued by the droid fighters.

Meanwhile, the Count arrives and battles Vader, easily disarming him and overwhelming him with the dark side of the Force. The Count believes the handmaiden to be the Queen and takes her and Vader prisoner.

They arrive at Tatooine, the ship takes heavy damage and the pilot is mortally wounded, but just as they think they’re done for, a custom ships arrives and after fancy evasive maneuvers, blows the droid fighters away. The pilot offers to help fix their ship and guides them down to Tatooine. They emergency land in a remote area, but are not far from the Lars homestead. The Queen’s pilot dies. They exit the ship and Amidala berates the young pilot for his maneuvers that could have endangered them. Anakin takes off his helmet and introduces himself as “Anakin Lars” (Trust me on this). Obi-Wan senses Anakin’s capacity to use the Force and compliments him.

Amidala is immediately smitten and flustered, but does her best to hide her attraction to him (by continuing to be rude to him). Anakin offers to repair the ship. When they arrive at the homestead, Owen and Cliegg, Anakin’s brother and father approach him, chastising him for disappearing and playing around in his homebuilt starfighter. Shmi (for a lack of a better name) meets the heroes as well. Obi-Wan senses something about her, and it is soon learned that she is a Skywalker. She explains to Obi-Wan that Cliegg didn’t want the boys to know about their heritage, and any mention of their Jedi past was forbidden. Shmi also has a non-functioning lightsaber which belonged to the same Skywalker who helped imprison the dark side entity (it is the same lightsaber which Luke has in ANH/ESB). At dinner, Obi-Wan begins to tell Anakin about the Skywalkers and how they saved the galaxy from the ulimate evil, and then how they disappeared, and Anakin puts it together. He realizes he is a Skywalker, destined to be a Jedi Knight. Cliegg and Owen argue against Anakin becoming a Jedi. The matter seems to be decided. Obi-Wan and Anakin are disappointed. That night, Shmi gives Anakin the lightsaber and tells him to embrace his destiny. Before he leaves her, he tells her and Owen who is nearby, “I am a Skywalker!”

Meanwhile, The Count discovers that the technology needs Amidala’s DNA code to unlock the cloning technology; otherwise it won’t work. The Count calls upon his own apprentice which he calls a “Hound,” (Maul) and sends him with a contingency of Mandalore droids to regain the Queen and destroy Obi-Wan. The Count also tempts Vader, revealing to him the power, which the Dark side can grant him. (There is no ‘Rule of Two’ in this story).

In the morning, as the repairs are underway, Anakin and Amidala are obviously falling in love, which pleases Obi-Wan (none of this ‘forbidden love’ crap here). Anakin has even repaired her protocol droid (C3PO). As the repairs are almost complete, Obi-Wan senses Maul. Obi-Wan goes off to face him, telling Anakin to take off for Coruscant, to protect the Queen. Obi-Wan and Maul face off. It is a furious battle. Meanwhile, droids approach the ship just as repairs are finished. Anakin pulverizes the droids with the main gun, and then takes off. Using the guns, Anakin fends off Maul. Obi-Wan leaps on board the Queen’s ship and they blast off for Coruscant.

On Coruscant, Obi-Wan wants to take Anakin to Yoda to train, but Mace Windu (the protector of Coruscant--???) tells Obi-Wan that Yoda has vanished. Obi-Wan would rather that Yoda trained Anakin, but takes it upon himself to do it. Mace comments about the emergence of the Sith and many have died at their hands. (The Jedi don’t have a ‘temple’ on Coruscant. There are no midichlorians. The Force is as it was in the OOT. Yoda is not located on Coruscant, either.) Obi-Wan also expresses concern for Vader, sensing that he is in the hands of the Sith, and he must rescue him.

Meanwhile, I’ve expanded the role of Panaka and Bail. Back on Alderaan, Bail has made a truce with the Gungans in an effort to fight off the Mandalores. They join up with Panaka and begin a guerrilla warfare on the occupiers.

The Count must leave, but leaves Maul in charge.

Back on Coruscant, Amidala meets with Palpatine (whose already Chancellor, and not from Alderaan). Using his Dark side powers, he puts her in a trance and takes a sample of her blood (if not a trance, he hands her something that “accidently” cuts her hand). When he takes her out of the trance, he makes a deal with her, that if he gets her a force strong enough to repel the Mandalores, that Alderaan agree to share all of its science technology with the Republic. Amidala is hesistant, but wants her planet to be saved, so she agrees.

Soon, Palpatine informs Amidala that he has found several worlds who will rally to Amidala’s aid. She notices that they are the unseemly of the Republic, races of questionable ethical backgrounds. She agrees anyway, and they launch for Alderaan.

On board the ship, Anakin has a plan to save Vader and the Handmaiden.

Meanwhile, things are not going well for Bail, Gungans and the Alderaans. The Mandalore droids are too great in number, wearing them down, despite tactics of blowing up buildings to collapse on tanks & robots, etc.

The Queen’s ship arrives at Alderaan. The Mandalores, of course, detect them. They capture the ship with a tractor beam and pull it on board. The ship is searched, but they can’t find the crew. Through a secret hatch, Obi-Wan, Anakin, et al sneak onboard. They make their way to the communications room to emit a pulse to knock out all the droids. Maul, now on board, has sensed Obi-Wan and Anakin. He goes down to confront him. While Obi-Wan holds off Maul, he orders the rest to deal with the droids.

Things are getting worse for the Alderaans and Gungans. They’re cornered and the droids are converging on them. Their death seems certain.

On the Mandalore command ship, the heroes are pursued by droids. They find Vader and the Handmaiden, releasing them. With their help, they make it to the comm room. Anakin utilizing the same type of technology they use on droids in the OOT to deactivate them, plugs it into the main computer. As the droids burn through the blast door of the room. (During this sequence, Vader calls upon the dark side to destroy several droids).

It seems hopeless for the Alderaans. Bail orders everyone to surrender. The droids surround them.

Obi-Wan battles with Maul, and finally, after a spectacular battle, kills him.

Just as the door to the comm room blows inward and the laser fire zaps around them, Anakin hits the button and the signal knocks out all of the droids on the command ship and on the planet below them. Bail and crew celebrate, hugging each other, forgetting they were once at odds with each other.

As the celebrations progress. Amidala is concerned about the deal she made with Palpatine. Though Bail is upset with the deal, he commends Amidala on getting aid when they needed it most. Obi-Wan looks for Vader, but can not find him.

Vader, meanwhile has hijacked a ship and flies towards a Mandalore vessel. He lands on board and kneels before the Count. "I wish to learn the way of the Sith," he says.

It still needs a lot of work and thinking, but that's about what I have for now.
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Hmm, this is interesting. I wonder if Star Wars could ever become something like a true mythology, with multiple versions of the same basic tales being told by different people at different times. That would be neat.


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Other changes. The Jedi are a looser organization (which a lot of OOT fans seem to agree on) and they do not answer to anyone, but respect the Republic since it has always been a champion of good, etc.

Hmm, they were called "Knights" and thus should have had some official recognition under the republic. Some kind of thing where they are expected to uphold the ideals of the republic at least (more than mere respect) and be subject to its laws. Otherwise, I agree that the organization should have been much looser and having a more Medieval feeling of Lords and enlightened Nobles. Perhaps the reliance upon pupils from nobility could figure into the story in terms of a Jedi order that is becoming stagnant and no longer able to aid the republic as well.



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Anyway, the beloved Queen Amidala died, and in their grief, the Alderaans decided to clone the Queen so that they may always have her wise rule. Of course, this upset the Organa family who would’ve been the ones to rule if she were not the queen. In tribute to them, they were made the senatorial representatives of Alderaan. So, the Queen was cloned again and again, the Amidala of Episode I would be the sixth incarnation, and not quite ready to lead as she needs to mature. In her stead, a council has been appointed. However, the council is corrupt and weak, and against her wishes, they conceded to the Mandalores demands, allowing them to occupy the planet. (As a side note, the Galactic Republic has deemed that cloning is an abomination and abolished it, so they believe the Queens are just descendents).


I really like that idea. Could lead into an actually cool way to envision the clone wars.


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(The Jedi don’t have a ‘temple’ on Coruscant. There are no midichlorians. The Force is as it was in the OOT. Yoda is not located on Coruscant, either.)


Hmm, but I do like the idea of temples and ancient religious relics surrounding the use of the force, so I don't mind a temple being on Coruscant. Otherwise, dump the midichloriforms, I agree there.

My biggest problem with your version is the Skywalker prophecy idea and the ancient evil in the bunker. Its far more dramatic to stick to normal people and keep Skywalker an average family name with no special amazing associated with it. Anakin Skywalker was an average guy but a skilled warrior with amazing piloting skills and thus Obiwan decided to train him for those core reasons. It is also a lot more dramatic to stick with people who have free will and can choose to be evil or good, instead of a one-dimensional force of evil that possesses anyone.


My ideas:

I did always get the impression from Obiwan's statement that Anakin, during the time of his training, actually had the name Darth Vader in some strange way. (Or I've also thought that, like in your version, there were two pupils and eventually their identities got mixed up in the flow of events; Anakin took the name of his fellow pupil for some dark reason.) There are lots of ways to account for that impression in Obiwan's statement, but the easiest would be to have Anakin be a highly experienced youth by the time he meets "Ben," but one who has also lived a very troubled past. He'll be one really cool guy but with some nasty mistakes in his past. I figure that in order to avoid certain authorities (maybe the "huts") Anakin Skywalker has assumed the name Darth Vader for himself.

(Oh, I figure Anakin has to call Obiwan "Ben" [somewhat to Obiwan's chagrin] and then that name has to catch on so that nobody uses the name Obiwan by the time Anakin gets Luke and Lea's mother pregnant!)

One idea that I have is that Vader/Anakin would be in the prequal trilogy as much as Vader was in the classic trilogy. In other words: I'd have him be in the background, but instead of a kickass bad guy who comes in to mop up the good guys, he'll be a kickass good guy who relentlessly hunts down the bad guys. This means that in the beginning of Episode I Anakin would already be Obiwan's apprentice and somewhat on his own. I'm not too fond of this idea however, since I would want the younger Obiwan to be the primary hero of the films, like Luke was the hero in the classic trilogy and therefore it might be hard for him to have a semi-successful apprentice at a young and inexperienced age. Thus I usually fall upon the idea that Vader is trained over the course of the movies and turns to the dark side at some point.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005