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Idea: Library of Congress Film Preservation access?

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I posted this in a thread in General Discussion but thought it might fit here as well!

OK guys- this could be our angle!!!

The 1977 version of ‘Star Wars’ is a registered film of the LOC’s National Film Registry http://www.loc.gov/film/titles.html

Congress has voted and the President recently signed into law a bill S.167 which covers, among other interesting things, the public’s right to film preservation via the NFR (please note my bold text):
 

Title III: National Film Preservation - Subtitle A: Reauthorization of the National Film Preservation Board - National Film Preservation Act of 2005 - (Sec. 302) Amends the National Film Preservation Act of 1996 to expand the use of the National Film Registry seal, which indicates that a film has been included in the Registry and is the Registry version of the film, for use on other approved copies of the Registry version of the film. Allows only the copyright owner or an authorized licensee of the copyright owner to place the seal on any film or other approved copy of the Registry version of a film selected for inclusion in the National Film Registry in the case of mass distributed, broadcast, or published works.

Directs the Librarian of Congress, in consultation with the National Film Registry Board, to:

(1) carry out activities to make films included in the National Film Registry more broadly accessible for research and educational purposes and to generate public awareness and support of the Registry and the comprehensive national film preservation program;

(2) review the comprehensive national film preservation plan, and amend it to ensure that it addresses technological advances in preserving, storing, and accessing film collections in multiple formats; and

(3) whenever possible, undertake expanded initiatives to ensure the preservation of the moving image heritage of the United States by supporting the work of the National Audio-Visual Conservation Center of the Library of Congress at Culpeper Virginia, and other appropriate nonprofit archival and preservation organizations.

Increases the number of members on the National Film Preservation Board, the maximum number of members-at-large that the Librarian may appoint, and the number of members required for a quorum.

Directs the Librarian to utilize the National Audio-Visual Conservation Center to ensure that preserved films included in the Registry are stored in a proper manner, and disseminated to researchers, scholars, and the public as may be appropriate in accordance with U.S. copyright law and the terms of any agreements between the Librarian and persons who hold copyrights to such audiovisual works.

Extends the prohibition on the unapproved use of the National Film Registry seal to any format of such a film.

Reauthorizes provisions regarding film preservation.

 

^ So as I read it, should this go through, that if we can prove the obvious- that GL considers that the 1977 version “doesn’t exist”- than it is up to the public film preservationists to save ‘Star Wars’ from being erased from our history.

Thoughts? Read more details yourselves at the links above. I really think this would be somewhat do-able! Who’s up for it???

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If you dont even want it digitally remastered meaning Lowery cleaning then whats the point?
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Originally posted by: Indy3
If you dont even want it digitally remastered meaning Lowery cleaning then whats the point?


where did he say he didnt want it digitally remastered? I think he's more aiming at being able to do the preservation using the film copy as the source as apposed to laserdisc. I mean, we have people on the board that have shown just as much, if not more talent in the digitally remastering department as Lowery, especially after the official DVD release.

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Ah I see,

well even if you were to get access yeah you would have to pay alot for it to be cleaned and such.

There are members here that are better then the expensive Lowery cleaning, retouching service?

Just wondering
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I know of one person who could clean it for us: MVERTA!

Now let's ask if we can borrow it.
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Originally posted by: DarkGruson
I know of one person who could clean it for us: MVERTA!

Now let's ask if we can borrow it.


Exactly! That's the whole idea. In fact, perhaps someone at the LoC who is working towards preserving these films would see the benefit in such a project and would be willing to do what it takes to help out. After all the effort and money several projects and individuals here are putting into the LD efforts I'm positive that there are those who are up to the challenge. It would have nothing to do with LFL- just between the LoC and whomever helps the preservationists.

Pay particular attention to item #2.
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You wouldnt have to ask Lucasfilm for permission?
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Originally posted by: Indy3
You wouldnt have to ask Lucasfilm for permission?


Depends on the employee and their position at the LoC. Obviously *distribution* of a work under copyright belongs to the copyright holder.
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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
I mean, we have people on the board that have shown just as much, if not more talent in the digitally remastering department as Lowery, especially after the official DVD release.

How did you come to this conclusion, I thought that Lowry had done a phenomenal job with the bad source footage? Now I'm curious, any examples on the DVD where they could have done better?

Who here has the hundreds of terabytes of storage needed for such a restoration? Surely the LOC wouldn't give it to anyone who couldn't do it properly, that would be irresponsible as it would degrade the footage, meaning a worse result for the group who could do it properly in the future.

http://www.kineticpast.com/starwars/thecheatlaserdisc.gif
Ooh, a laserdisc. The Cheat's playin' something on a laserdisc.
Everything is better on a laserdisc. Whatever happened to the laserdisc? Laserdisc!

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I think the only problems with the Lowry restoration is the fact that George asked for as little grain as possible to match them up with the digitally shot prequels, and that the Lowry team was given only a month per film. The official DVDs are free of dirt, obviously, but with more time to tweak and correct errors that their automated filters created (such as lost starfields, laser glow and non-white lightsaber cores) I think the Lowry team could have done a much more effective job in preserving more of the original look of the film.

Of course the color grading is a whole other matter...
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Originally posted by: Tikigod
Of course the color grading is a whole other matter...

But we can't blame Lowry for something they had next to nothing to do with, unless we can now blame Harrison Ford for not being quick enough on the trigger.

http://www.kineticpast.com/starwars/thecheatlaserdisc.gif
Ooh, a laserdisc. The Cheat's playin' something on a laserdisc.
Everything is better on a laserdisc. Whatever happened to the laserdisc? Laserdisc!

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Originally posted by: Gillean
Originally posted by: Darth Simon
I mean, we have people on the board that have shown just as much, if not more talent in the digitally remastering department as Lowery, especially after the official DVD release.

How did you come to this conclusion, I thought that Lowry had done a phenomenal job with the bad source footage? Now I'm curious, any examples on the DVD where they could have done better?

Who here has the hundreds of terabytes of storage needed for such a restoration? Surely the LOC wouldn't give it to anyone who couldn't do it properly, that would be irresponsible as it would degrade the footage, meaning a worse result for the group who could do it properly in the future.


Exactly, there is no way someone could have the same job as Lowery
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It's impossible to separate who did what to the image on the official 2004 DVD set. The point is, they look bad, so any new transfer from an original print, treated with proper respect is going to look better, even if it's not as clean. I'd sooner trust the X0 team than LFL on this.
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Well, you wouldnt say the QUALITY meaning just the resolution and dust removal is amazing?

Not including the colors and such
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Unfortunately, we can't watch the cleaned version without the color "correction" so it's pretty much a moot point. Personally, brightness, contrast and color balance affect my enjoyment more than dust, scratches or grain. When I saw the movies in the theater, they were dusty, scratched and grainy, but they weren't strangely dark and didn't have weird pseudo-technicolor. I seem to remember seeing stars in the space scenes, too.
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If you want to see the poor job on the colour grading of the DVD release, check out the colour correction tutorials on www.x0project.com.
The colour on the official DVD release is just all over the place. Also a lot of the garbage mattes and other problems are still in the DVD release.

I'm not sure what you guys want to do re the NFR?
I doubt they would give you access to the 35mm masters, more likely a telecined version of the master if that.
If you got the 35mm master - what would you do with it? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let you take it home and run it through an ultrasonic cleaner and a chemical bath and then scan it a frame at a time. (All 170,000+ frames of it).
Also, every film company that puts a film into the repositry has their own agreement with them re access and so on. So ILM will have a contract with the NFR detailing exactly what is and isn't allowed to happen with it.

What is is interesting is if you can get access to watch the film or to watch a transfer of it, as it is probably a different master to the one on the laserdiscs, and the content may be subtly altered - could be worth a look.
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If you did want to take on the project of archiving it, set aside around $40,000 just for the raw film stock, that is only 50c per name on the petition.