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Help Wanted: Original Scores - Resquest for the RSO SW & ESB 2-LP VYNIL SETS audio form for remastering work (completed in March 2009)

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Hi, I am searching for the good olds STAR WARS and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK 2-LP sets with the idea of making a remastered 2-CD set. RETURN OF THE JEDI would be welcome as well though it is so incomplete that it wouldn’t have the same interest.

Needless to say that a lossless audio set would be awesome. I’ll share my work with anyone interested in if I have the chance to make it ! 😃

Any help would be deeply appreciated.

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All the best !

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I have all three of those, and they are all in very good condition, nearly without noise or crackle and good clarity. Are you doing this to try and recreate the sequence of this? If so I think you would be better placed to find any rip of these you can, and use the digitally remastered complete scores and edit it to fit the sequence of the LP's this way. PM me, I'll see if I can rip them for you anyway.

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Sent !

For everyone who read this toppic, I precise that the goal is to recover the original character and deepness of the sound, what is certainly not reached by the official SE's so poorly remasterised (refer to Goodmusician's comments and explainations for infos). The Anthology, though it is much better quality, fails too.

What I won't make is to put together the RSO recordings with the complete scores.

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Hi there. I have a VERY high quality transfer of the double Empire LP in 24-bit 96Khz using a restored Garrard 401 turntable, Rega RB250 arm (modified) and a Goldring 1042 cartridge.

I am just about to make a transfer of the original Star Wars double LP as well, though - regrettably - I do not have the Jedi LP.

If they're of any help to you please let me know.

 

Cheers!

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seventiesfilmnut said:

Hi there. I have a VERY high quality transfer of the double Empire LP in 24-bit 96Khz using a restored Garrard 401 turntable, Rega RB250 arm (modified) and a Goldring 1042 cartridge.

I am just about to make a transfer of the original Star Wars double LP as well, though - regrettably - I do not have the Jedi LP.

If they're of any help to you please let me know.

 

Cheers!

I'd love to hear (and get !) your transfers !

I don' t want to abuse by making all of you work. Possessed may try to have the files from his own set next week. But perhaps you will avoid him to make this work, though I'd be curious to compare your rips.

Anyway, if you may share your set it would be wonderfull ! :)

 

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I would really like to have copies of these as well! I've been planning to do a restoration on the original trilogy music for some time now but simply haven't had access to the original LP's.

And don't worry ABC, I won't get in your way! :D I much prefer the actual act of editing the music, even though people like you or GM are a hell of a lot better at it than I am. If whoever makes the LP's available to ABC could get in touch with me that would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

"Try not. Do or do not, there is no try." -Yoda
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I would LOVE a vinyl "rip" of these, be it 96/24 or standard CD-quality 48/16.  I have several Who records on my iPod transferred this way, and my entire Beatles collection (minus recent releases like Anthology, LIB...Naked, and Love) is composed of Dr. Ebbetts vinyl transfers.  This would be absolutely fantastic.

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Wont you have background hiss with LP?...Unless your using a brand new needle with never before played records

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The LP transfers I have were A) from clean records with new/lightly used needles, and B) had a minor amount of hiss reduction and manual pop removal done.  There is still a small amount of hiss, but I prefer it - it's not in the least bit distracting (some catalog CD releases have more hiss than my LP transfers *cough*AbbeyRoad*cough*) and makes the music sound "richer" the way LPs do (I also own a direct-drive turntable).

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Background hiss exists in just about every recording ever made... even digital (it's called 'Dither' in this instance)... I don't have a problem with it. Get rid of the hiss digitally, and 9 times out of 10 you get rid of some of the music/ambience too... check out the 2-CD set of Return of the Jedi to learn how NOT to do this... lol! Sounds as dull as dishwater!

A digital music file (i.e. CD) exists as a series of samples of the real thing. Analogue (LP or tape) is closer to the original master in this respect... this a HUGE over-simplification however to those that know about this stuff.

Technical differences aside, many prefer the sound of a good clean LP and a decent record player (and by decent I mean something that costs at least £300 if new...) - often sounds more natural and gets you into the 'vibe' of the music than alot of digital players.

On a decent system there are many LPs which have less hiss than CDs... it all depends on the mastering. for some colourful discussions (to put it lightly) type LP vs CD into Google.... ;)

Interestingly the same arguments are raging in the blu-ray camp... some (thankfully a small minority) claim that film grain should be digitally erased to result in a 'perfect' picture... most claim that the film grain is a part of the original look of the film, and should be retained. It's part of the aesthetic rather than a fault per-se. I feel the same way about master-tape hiss...

- 7FN

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Thanks for answering my question. :D

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain.
"A myth is a religion in which no one any longer believes"...James Feibleman (1904-1987)
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Indeed. Heal heal heal 7FN! It's times like this force healing would come in handy...

"Try not. Do or do not, there is no try." -Yoda
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Thanks guys - much appreciated :)

 

I'll be getting the WAV files off to ABC tomorrow or Friday, and hopefully he can take charge from there.

Cheers,

- 7FN

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Thanks 7FN! How are you planning on getting the files to ABC? Any chance either you or ABC could then pass them along to me?

"Try not. Do or do not, there is no try." -Yoda
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I've received the very good transfers from 7FN this week. Great sound.

In an other hand it made me notice that the work I did with my remastered ESB (anthology + SE) is pretty good too.

I have to say the idea to upload the 24bit transfer doesn' t make me really enthousiast (too huge - 2x 2,5GB) mostly when i think only a couple of dudes will have interest and courage for such an download. Then, what I'd like to propose for compensation would be to upload my entire re-remastered OT collection in lossless 16bit form:

- Remastered from the anthology + SE's:

.STAR WARS

.EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

.RETURN OF THE JEDI

- From the 7FN LP's (They are more "corrected" than "remastered"... a bit nothing)

.STAR WARS

.EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

... I may start a new topic for this stuff. I' ll come back to this page in a couple of week to check your feelings about it. Anyway, I may say that this collection is of a quality easily above what has been released in the commercial area.

Would anyone tell me what is better between Flac and Ape ? (I use to think it is Ape, but I may be mistaken).

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Might I suggest FLAC. It seems to be the more popular and that was the feedback I had doing SYMPHONY FOR A SAGA.

I'm totally interested in what you can remaster. How much tape his and other pops can you clear from an LP rip?

 

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STAR WARS: Symphony for a Saga

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ABC said:

Would anyone tell me what is better between Flac and Ape ? (I use to think it is Ape, but I may be mistaken).

Define "better"? They are both lossless, so identical in audio quality.

 

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ABC said:

Would anyone tell me what is better between Flac and Ape ? (I use to think it is Ape, but I may be mistaken).

Define "better"? They are both lossless, so identical in audio quality.

 

 

 Well, I'm thinking about the way the encoding is working... I thought there may be a difference because it happened many times that the Flac files I downloaded had some saturation (basses mostly). Ape files are always perfect, and you can choose the degree of compression quality (high or extra high etc...).

 

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Might I suggest FLAC. It seems to be the more popular and that was the feedback I had doing SYMPHONY FOR A SAGA.

I'm totally interested in what you can remaster. How much tape his and other pops can you clear from an LP rip?

 

 

 I won' t clear anything, bud ! I' m not of the kind who wants all perfect without a pop. Just let me tell you the guys who work the SE's for exemple, tried to hide a lot of faults and in the same time have hidden all the qualities of the original sound. I beg you to hear this one thing: my work only targets to unreveal all that was hidden!!! I always stopped playing RotJ ten minutes after the beginning because it was too much efforts to stand this poor sound. Now I can listen and appreciate it in its entirety and play it again once it is finished ;) I mean since I remastered them: it is really the first time I listen these scores in their entirety. I use only equalization for my remastering, no noise reduction, no stereo enlargement (though my equalizations take care of that) because I want to hear the sound the closest as it looks to be at the origin. All have been remastered track by track, never isolated parts, though sometime I had to cut a track into pieces (rarely) when it was obvious it was the reunion of different pieces with different sounds. In this case, I inform when there are 0's pause tracks for burning if the cut doesn't use any fade. But don' t worry, I didn' t buchered the scores.

You may learn to apreciate these scores in their own juice (as we say in France). ;) The biggest problem I encountered was a saturation of the highs on the track "departure of Bobba-Fett" from the ESB anthology. Just give a listen to the original: you will hear it, hidden by the way it has been remastered, but here however. You will notice it quite better on my remaster... So bit !

PS: Different commentaries about RotJ:

- From Possessed:  "Wow... I haven't listened to them all yet but what I've heard so far is fantastic! The clarity and high end sound of the 1997 special edition soundtracks but with the warmth and depth of the 1993 set... great work!"

- From DarthBo: "I still haven't had the time to listen to everything, but what I've heard is amazing. I've heard instruments I never knew were there. Thank you so much for that!"

- From 7FN: "Have listened to the first CD - great work!!! It sounds alot better this way :) Just one thing I think the Main Title needs a BIT more bass? Just a bit, but the rest sounds perfect!"

... Only Adywan was bothered by hiss and cracklings (and I guess, as he listened to only the last part of the download at this time, he was talking about "Darth Vader's Death" track wich is a hard one... He didn' t explained so far).

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There really is absolutely no quality difference between FLAC and APE files - they are both 100% lossless (which you can easily test by compressing, then un-compressing using either codec).

I always use Apple Lossless simply because I can 1) use it in Foobar2000 using the M4A plug-in, and 2) can easily put the files onto my iPod.

I use dbpoweramp which makes the task of converting between different lossless (or lossy MP3 or Ogg etc etc) formats a piece of cake.

The only way there is a sound difference between the two formats is if you use two different programs, and one - for example - has some EQ settings which are not 'flat' for example. Believe me, lossless means lossless ;)

Glad you are enjoying the music :)

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OK for the lossless infos.

Thanks again for the scores. Even the 16 bit versions translate the true substance of the original scores. Really amazing job !

I tell it to you all: you don' t know the Force of the bright side !!! :)

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Just a note on remastering in general, one has to make 100% sure that it is a positive change, not just 'a change'.

If - for example - your headphones are quite cheap and emphasise the treble, one can put too much bass into a remaster, and it will sound GREAT on those headphones, but on a better 'flat' system it will sound awful.

I made sure on these LP transfers that I used the best gear I could afford (sometime write reviews for Hi-Fi magazines and/or internet so know a bit), and a decent pair of headphones for monitoring (Audio Technica ATH-AD700), and transferred them with no EQ at all. Just a little manual click/pop removal on the worst spots on the LP. It's always a good idea to try your work on several different systems too to make sure it sounds good every time. Hope some of this helps ;)

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Agreed. As told by PM, my tiny correction on your ESB transfer was to give a little wideness to the sound and a bit dynamic to the highs. My Sennheiser headphones really don' t improve the  aesthetic of the sound, so it preserves me from beeing caught by a "wrong sense of beauty", or "power". My hi-fi is a Marrantz player with a Sansui amplifier, and the speakers are Phillips F9412 three driver system. However I use to compare my work on both a cheap mini player and the other computer I have, sometimes. I tend to remain honest considering the result.

However, I may post your original 16bit transfer if you or anyone here prefers. Any of the two version worth the listen anyway - there's no such a difference ! ;)

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I don't mind you posting either version - as long as you include a note somewhere in the file if you have made any slight sound changes: "LP Transfer by 7FN, Remastering by ABC" or something. Or you could call mine the 'pure' version. Whatever you feel like :)

I'm going to work on a v.2 of both Star Wars and Empire when I am well enough, and have already contacted a source about having all LPs professionally cleaned (twice each to be on the safe side!): http://www.keithmonks-rcm.co.uk/precision.html

I'll be doing the transfers on a fully restored Garrard 301 turntable: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/garrard/301.html

Cartridge will be a Denon 103-R

Still until I get better this is a long ways off (end of the year in all likelyhood), but just wanted people to know there will be 'ultimate' LP editions out there before too long. However the existing versions are very good and I'm pretty pleased with how they turned out.

- 7FN

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As told to you before, all your work will be noticed in detail, mate. Cheers !

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