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Help: Twin Dragons 1992 - Jackie Chan - Uncut Original English Dub

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I’m posting on here in the hope that someone out there will be able to help me with this.

The 1992 Jackie Chan film Twin Dragons was released in the UK on VHS in the 90’s via the distributor: Imperial Entertainment UK/M.I.A Video which I own. The approx. runtime of this VHS which I own is 100 mins. From what I’ve managed to research online this is pretty much the uncut original English dub version (with some minor exceptions). This version has never been released on any other format to date and is considered a collectors item. I’m in the process of trying to rip this VHS copy onto a digital format which is proving harder than first expected due to USB VHS capture devices not being fully compatible with windows 10. The version released by Dimension/Miramax is an abomination and travesty for all true Jackie Chan fans who remember watching this film with the amazing original English dub with all its quirks and flaws intact. Dimension not only ruined the soundtrack with an alternative score and English dub they also cut the film down for whatever ignorant reason they thought was justified.

What’s the point?

Basically I’m looking for someone who has the original uncut English VHS version with the original early 90’s English dub track on a digital format or DVD etc.

As a side project I’d like the original English dub/soundtrack to be used with the new cleaned up uncut versions which are available with the French and German releases. I’m not an editing expert hence I would need help with the editing process etc but I’m pretty sure with a little tinkering here and there and someone with audio/video editing skills they will be able to sync the original English track with French or German video which are both uncut.

Side note:

I actually have an uncut Russian audio version of the film which you can just about here the old original English track with the new cleaned up picture from the French release. I have no idea how this Russian uncut version came about but it’s infuriating because you can here the old original English audio track in the background but with a Russian lector speaking over it.

Anyway I hope this post gets some responses. Please PM with any info or thoughts etc.
Lets try and make/unearth this gem with the old original English audio and uncut.

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If your VHS has a scart socket why not put a scart to composite and RCA phono converter in the back of the VHS then use a minijack to phono and record the audio on a mini jack line in on say your PC or Laptop.

Or if your VHS already has phono out use those again to minijack to your line in.

This can easily be done with Audacity free software.

Just select your line in as record device and push record.

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Ronster said:

If your VHS has a scart socket why not put a scart to composite and RCA phono converter in the back of the VHS then use a minijack to phono and record the audio on a mini jack line in on say your PC or Laptop.

Or if your VHS already has phono out use those again to minijack to your line in.

This can easily be done with Audacity free software.

Just select your line in as record device and push record.

Thanks for the suggestion the process of ripping the VHS is proving harder for me than I expected. I’m not the most tech savvy but I’m going to persevere. The VHS player I’m using is a basic one with just scart outputs.

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Update:

I’ve managed to get the audio from the VHS. Any suggestions on what’s the best and easiest to use software to sync the audio with video?

Also is there any software that cleans up the audio?

Any suggestions are welcome.

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I assume you have a PAL speedup vhs.

If the speed of the audio is different on the VHS audio to that of the new cleaned versions of the film you will have to conform the audio from the VHS to the new release.

Rip the audio from the new release and put both audio files in audacity.

You will have to change the speed most likely of the VHS to that of the new release. You must get them now to match up pretty much exactly.

Look in the how to sections here about conerting PAl speed to NTSC or what ever frame rate the new version is. You basically need to synch them up then you can put it on the video.

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Ronster said:

I assume you have a PAL speedup vhs.

If the speed of the audio is different on the VHS audio to that of the new cleaned versions of the film you will have to conform the audio from the VHS to the new release.

Rip the audio from the new release and put both audio files in audacity.

You will have to change the speed most likely of the VHS to that of the new release. You must get them now to match up pretty much exactly.

Look in the how to sections here about conerting PAl speed to NTSC or what ever frame rate the new version is. You basically need to synch them up then you can put it on the video.

Thanks @Ronster for all the advice/input. I’m going to have a look into some of the points you mentioned.

Here are some technical details that might help you/whoever is reading this:

Clean HD Video has an exact frame rate of 23.9 according to VLC player info (24fps I’m assuming this means). I have a feeling this is running at slower NTSC format rate??

The VHS video Rip has a exact frame rate of 29.9 (30fps I’m assuming this means). I’ve managed to rip the audio from this file and have it as an MP3.

If Ronster/anyone need more info please let me know what you need and I’ll try to get it.

Basically I’m at the point were I have all the basic ingredients and I just need to put them together.

Any suggestions on what tools/programs I can use for the syncing/converting processes for this project?

Any help here is greatly appreciated

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I thought you only ripped the audio…

So your VHS is NTSC 29.97fps

so now you can convert it to 24fps you can use perhaps the free program handbreak to do this convert it to an mp4 then you can try to synch them both up in a Non Linear Editor.

Hope that helps.

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Ronster said:

I thought you only ripped the audio…

So your VHS is NTSC 29.97fps

so now you can convert it to 24fps you can use perhaps the free program handbreak to do this convert it to an mp4 then you can try to synch them both up in a Non Linear Editor.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the response. I’m going to try the suggested program. Any suggestions for non linear editor for the video - audio syncing part?

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I would go with one that is easy to use… Or you could simply separate the audio from the video and synch the 2 sountracks in Audacity(free software) then add it to the video.

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Ronster said:

I would go with one that is easy to use… Or you could simply separate the audio from the video and synch the 2 sountracks in Audacity(free software) then add it to the video.

Thanks @Ronster for all the suggestions thus far. I’ve been tinkering around with different video editing softwares and they are all crap one way or another. I’ve managed to get the audio files at the speed and frame rate that would allow the video and audio to sync nicely but I don’t have the right video editing software to put it all together export it properly 😦

Slow and steady with this project.

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If you get audacity and install ffmpg plug in then you can import the audio into the software and move the audio to match exactly.

You might find you have to occasionally chop the audio a bit to match it up.

Once lined up export the dub.

Then you should be able to import the video and aud auio together in to a video editor

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Some boards can capture 30fps video from PAL sources… so don’t bother with that.
VHS has large timing variations anyway (speed variations, dropouts, etc).

You always need to manually match the audio between sources.

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yo what is the most uncut version anyway? is it the US, Hong kong, Taiwanese or Japanese version

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Moiisty said:

yo what is the most uncut version anyway? is it the US, Hong kong, Taiwanese or Japanese version

The following reports explains everything:

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=438141

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=44945

I think the main issue is to do with distribution rights or something in the UK at least. The french and German releases both have the uncut versions. The Japanese Version basically has a 10 sec extended scene of very little importance and is negligible. It has different end credits also.

If Jackie Chan or his team or someone who has access to the film at a distribution level…can you please do this lost gem justice and release a proper uncut original English audio copy. It’s 100% already available just needs to be released properly!