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I have a friend who has a theory that Harry himself is a horcrux.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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that is really really interesting
but that goes directly against the prophesy, that they neither can live will the other is alive. if harry is a horixce then harry and voldemort are tied together, and they would require each other to live. voldemort could not die while harry's alive.
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No, but living horcruxes are dangerous.
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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the snake is suspected to be one but dumbldore never comfirmed that they could be living things.
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Did anybody have to stifle a giggle when Harry became "The Chosen One"? I could hear Ewan McGregor screaming at me, "You were The Chosen One!!!" when I read that.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I thought Keanu Reeves was the chosen one. Or maybe it was Charlton Heston ... yes, that sounds right.

Regarding the horcruxes, I think that with one book left we'll probably safely assume that the horcruxes suspected by Dumbledore, including Nagini, will be correct. Just too much distance to cover in too short a time ... They have to track down four horcruxes, destroy at least three (if the locket wasn't already destroyed. Note that Marvolo's ring still existed, even if it's "horcruxness" was destroyed) and wage an all-out battle with Malfoy, Snape and Voldemort, probably in that order. Add to that some time on Privet Drive and a wedding for the ages, and I really don't think they will have time to be at Hogwarts. Maybe they'll file for their N.E.W.T.s via Kwikspell. "Defeated the Dark Lord Six Times" will look very good on an application.
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yeah i did, i as surprised that rowling put that in i would have expected her to have something else since 'the chosen one' is now cleche
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I seriously hope that she is incorrect in saying that the seventh book will be smaller than OoTP. I see no way that she can fit so much into so few pages, it has got to be at least 1200 IMO.
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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you know i really think that shes going to pull a fast one and make this book more then a year after book 6
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Hey all! I thought I'd chime in now that flaming seems to have died down.

I finished 'Half-Blood Prince' last week and enjoyed it. I have a few random thoughts that I'd share, though my coffee hasn't kicked in yet and its early.

Is Dumbledore dead really?

Well, hmmm.... I'd *like* to say yes BUT... based on my readings of the series and the feelings I've had on the ebb and flow of the tale, I'd have to guess a 90% or so sure 'No'. I smell a Ben Kenobi 'strike me down and I'll grow more powerful' scenario here. Actually with the Ministry and Voldemort both gunning for Dumbledore, what better way to fight than to disappear and have everyone think you are dead! Assuming he lives, DD would now not have to run the school or play polictical b.s. games with the rest of the wizarding world. And that would also play into a theory I'll mention later....

R.A.B.?

I agree with the Regulus theory. Magic 8 Ball says 'Yes'.

Length of Book 7?

My gut here says 'Kill Bill' or 'Lord of the Rings'. Either based on her own whim or on publisher's pleading I can envision see 'Book 7' being released in two parts! JKR said 7 would be the last one, but not how many parts it would be! As has been said there are LOTS of loose ends to tie up and I think none of us would want them to be tied either too quickly or too loosely. Not to mention that the publisher, smelling the end of the franchise, would be desperate to make as much money as possible from it. So instead of a single 'Year 7' $30 retail hardcover they could have 'Year 7, Semester 1 and 2', *each* at $30.

Horcrux?

Interesting theory above about Harry being a horcrux. I'll have to think about that one more. Dumbledore did though keep stressing how much the only thing Tom Riddle ever seemed to show any care for was Hogwarts and we already know that supposedly that at least two of the Horcrux are in items from the founders of Hogwarts so I'd imagine the rest would play into that somehow. So I expect to see at the very least Gryffindor's sword being one of the horcruxes. "How when it was always in Dumbledore's care" you ask? Remember- in Chamber of Secrets Harry uses it, via the Sorting Hat, against Riddle's basilisk. Perhaps at that time something transfered to the sword. Then again, as I don't have all the details on what it takes to make something a horcrux, there could be many other explainations.

Harry is toast!

I firmly stand by this one. I came into reading the books only after the movies started coming out and I had avoided (and still do) any HP fan/discussion sites but based on a purely literary reading of the HP books... Harry is going to die in the final book. Not only is he the only thing that can 'cancel out' Voldemort, but all sorts of liitle clues lead to this.

I see it like this:
The final battle gets set up and things look dire for Harry and the world at large. Harry who thinks that he is alone in being able to stand against Voldemort (after Ron and Hermione have finally hooked up and everyone else is busy fighting other battles) will be shocked to have Dumbledore (and possibly Sirius) return at the last moment, only to get brutally attacked by Voldemort or through some mistake Harry makes- at which point Harry sees that to destroy Voldemort he must allow himself to be destroyed. So to save his friends, all that he loves and the world, Harry allows himself to die in the final destruction of Voldemort.
By doing this, all is not horrible for Harry- he's never really fit in anywhere he's been and he longs for those who have passed on to the other side... his parents, Sirius. I envision a scene in which DD and maybe Ron and Hermione stare into the mirror from the first book and see harry re-united with his family. He could finally be happy and he would have fullfilled his place and importance in the wizarding world.
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Nice thoughts, greencapt.

I really think Dumbledore is dead, though. Rowling has practically confirmed it. I don't think she has answered the point-blank question, "Is Dumbledore really dead?" but she did all the talking about how the hero has to stand by himself and have his loved ones, the ones who can protect him, dead. So I think he's, for all practical purposes, dead. I wasn't aware that the Ministry had any more problems with Dumbledore after Order of the Phoenix. All of his status was returned to him at the end of that story, as was his job. I don't recall him having any real problems with the Ministry anymore. That is a cool idea, though, that he might have faked his own death to get away from the beauracracy.

R.A.B...? Yeah, we all know. No point in trying to play us anymore, J.K.

Two parts to Book 7. Eeeeh, I hope not. Besides being a copout and kinda screwing the customers, I think she has everything well enough planned out that this need not be a problem to run into. Still, I can see what you mean about length. Rowling said that Order of the Phoenix was so long because Harry spent so much time away from Hogwarts and having to set all of that up (i.e. St. Mungo's, Ministry of Magic). It seems that he'll spend much more time going to exotic locations in Book 7, having to find Horcruxes and hunting down his enemies like a man possessed. Well, we'll see.

Harry as Horcrux and Dead Harry. Well, still wasn't my idea, but I freaked out when my friend told me, because it really lends itself to the "Harry will die" theory that a lot of my friends seem to cling to. Because if Harry is a horcrux, he'll have to be destroyed to destroy that part of Voldemort's soul. And I'm not really a fan of Harry dying. Call me a sap, but I'm partial to the happy ending. And sure, the world will be happy because we all know Voldemort's going down, but practically every chapter of every book has been from Harry's perspective, and I don't feel like saying goodbye! Dumbledore, I could handle because I predicted it and was therefore happy. But leave Harry alone! He's suffered enough! So I'm just going to stick my fingers over my ears and ignore all these horrible comments in the hope that they'll go away and not be true.

I'm not listening!!!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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harry as a horcrux i firm stand behind the idea that he isnt one. why would voldemort try to kill him in the first book then, why would quarrel try to kill him why would voldemort in the book two send the basalisk against him. if harry was a hocrux voldemort would try not to kill him its just that simple. we know that voldemort did infact use the killing curse on harry in the first book cause it is told directly to us that the spell rebounded on him. rowling herself said that. so harry as a horcrux, No.

here is a thought for another horcrux idea though hogwarts itself. what if the school was a horcrux, its got all of the possiblities to be one, Voldemort loves it, it got strong links to power, history and all the great wizards. also NO one in the right mind would destroy the castle thereby destroying him. hogwarts for all intense purposes has been immortal and will probably remain so because of all the magic oen the castle, how would voldemort have put the magic in there, maybe in the visit for become a teacher at the school, He and cumbledore both knew he wasnt going to get the job, maybe thats why he went for an excuse to be at the school so he could turn it into a horcrux.

on dumbledore, he is dead and i think his murder was planned by himself, also have a feelin that snape is good, or will turn good in the end. wormtongue also has a life debt with harry, wonder how thats going to play out.
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You have a good point on the Harry/Horcrux theory, possibly enough to nullify it, which I don't mind because I didn't like it too much to begin with, even though I did post it. It's an interesting little paradox, though, that would drive Voldemort crazy. What helps sustain Voldemort's life is the same boy that he must kill, according to the prophecy, in order to survive. Ooh! I like that! But just remember that Voldemort did want to divide his soul into seven pieces, and we already know that destroying individual ones will not finish him off, so maybe he'd be willing to kill Harry and destroy that part of his soul if the rest of him would be intact.

I was really disappointed with the role Wormtail played in this new book. It was almost like a cameo appearance... like Elizabeth Hurley in The Spy Who Shagged Me, if you will. He appears for ten seconds as Snape's little bitch and then disappears again never to enter into the story again. Rather like dangling the old carrot in front of the string if you ask me. But Rowling has always been good with that, and this is one of the least clothes-tearing juicy (^_^) examples.

And I usually don't pick on your Shimraanese, but I took particular delight in "Cumbledore." If they ever make a porn based on Harry Potter, that name has to be in there!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Hogwarts as the final horcrux ... now THAT is an amazing idea. In order to destroy Voldemort, Harry would have to destroy Hogwarts. Damn, Shimraa, you should be a writer yourself. If J.K. doesn't do that, you tuck that seed into the fertile soil of your imagination and build a captivating saga of your own around it. That kind of -- je no cest quoi -- is what separates good writing from awesome writing.
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Very cool idea on the school itself, Shim! Do remember though in your arguement against Harry being a Horcrux that Voldemort wouldn't have *meant* to make him one but instead would have accidently made him one when he tried to kill Harry as a baby- transfer of energy and all that jive.
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its interesting, personally i dont liek the idea at all. but it stil remains that we dont know if living things canbe horcruxes. and i dont think you can accidentally make a horcrux, it seems that you need large amounts of intent just to make the magic work.
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So does anybody else out there think (or hope) that Book 7 just might have a happy ending for Harry?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Despite the darker tones of recent books, I'm pretty sure that he will come out fine in the end.

I'm sure they'll be some suicides among the die-hardest of the die-hard fans if she kills him off.
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LOL, yeah i'm not sure all beats are off, one this is forsure though harry is going to have to lose alot b4 he can beat voldemort, remember these are all coming of age books, the hero has to go through alot adversity b4 they come out on top.
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so what do you guys think harry will find when he goes and visits his parents graves.
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Just noticed this thread... Too bad the book isn't fresh in my mind anymore.

Warning: Scattered thoughts ahead...

Anyhow... Harry being a Horcrux was one of my first thoughts too, followed closely by Gryffindor's sword. I also thought that it may have become one in the Chamber of Secrets. The question is, did Tom Riddle's book transfer the Horcrux, so to speak, or was it somehow holding part of a soul to put in another Horcrux?

I, for one, was really hoping to have Fawkes come and just kind of perch on Harry's shoulder or something. I'm not quite sure why, it would have just been a nice touch to have Fawkes there as a kind of extension of Dumbledore. Also, maybe if Fawkes hangs around with Harry in the next book, somehow Fawkes could break the whole effect of the brother wands to help Harry kill Voldemort.

I'm still working with the whole Snape being good thing. I think Snape was actually looking into Dumbledore's mind during that pause in the tower, and Dumbledore's begging was him trying to get Snape to do just that, so that he would know what to do. I'm not quite sure what benefit Dumbledore's death would be at the moment, but I'm sure there is one. Also, Snape kind of protected Harry as he was escaping by saying that he was "the Dark Lord's".

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Hogwarts as a Horcrux WOULD be a great idea, nice one Shim.
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thanks,

ok see here is my problem with harry being a horcrux, its jsut so uncreative. if rowling ends up doing that ill have lost some respect for her as a creative writer. it would be the easy way out to make difficulties for harry, we know alreayd that harry would sacrifice himself if that was the case so it just to anti climatic if you know what i mean. i sure the idea has crossed her mind but here is how you can tell when an idea is uncreative, if half the internet comes up with harry is a horcrux like 3 days after the book came out then it too obvious. rowling really need to think up something good for the last book, you guys seems to really like the hogwarts idea, again i think its neat but its still an easy way out, its too predictable. i think its going to be one, due to the fact that rowling said you could pick one out with careful reading, and i think that was the one she wanted people to pick out, hopefully she does something good or very symbolic for the others that are left.

grphendors sword will not be a horcrux mark my words it will not be one, i think that was made clear in book 6, remember all the horcruxs would have been made b4 harries parents died. And i would bet money seeing as how smart voldemort is that all 7 were made b4 he came to power and started his war on wizard kind. proof of this already look at all the things that have been horcruxes so far, the book, made while at hogwarts, the ring aquired when he was at hogwards and probably turned into a horcrux after a time. in fact that might have been voldemorts whole purpose of working at B&B to find locate and keep track of items to use. you dont go to battle without armor thats what makes me thing that all of the horcruxes were made and hidden long b4 even the first wizard war started.

as for the next book there are so many things i am doubting i think harry will only destroy 1 or maybe 2 more horcruxes RAB will get the rest, and i am also very interested in seeing the time period that the next books takes place over, whether it is your standard year or maybe more. also will it take place right after book 6 i am inclined to think that Rowling might shake itup for hte last book at start further into the future and have harry recount a bunch of events in the first chapter of the next book.