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Yeah, I can see how they'd follow Harry, but it still doesn't seem to me they'd wrap this up very well if Hogwarts was entirely out of the picture. And maybe I'm just a nerd like that, but I would be thinking, "They were so close! They need to finish school!" I guess I should have felt the same way about Fred and George, but, to be honest, they really didn't need school. And maybe Ron doesn't either (although he should be figuring out career plans by now), but Harry's dream is to become an auror, and(I'm laboring under the assumption that Harry is going to survive the series) his N.E.W.T.s are going to be important for his future career.

And that's a good Percy analysis as well, the Slytherin-esque behavior you mentioned. I never saw it like that before. To be honest, I always liked Percy in the first four books (I mean, he was especially helpful in the first book if not the friendliest soul, and you can understand his ambition up to that point) and, therefore, I really hope that he will do something to redeem himself by the end of the series. I was slightly disappointed by his one-line appearance in this book, but maybe it's for the best as I don't want to become any more annoyed with him.

Speaking of the Slytherins, though, does it ever annoy anybody besides me that every Slytherin (with the exceptions of Nigellus and Slughorn) seems to be a complete asshole? I mean, I can see understand that bad witches and wizards end up going through Slytherin house with the whole power above everything emphasis, but having every Slytherin be a bullying, bigoted, insulting villain just seems a little too... obvious. "Hmm, how about we put all the good people in these three houses, and then we'll put all the people who suck over here?" If it's that obvious that Slytherin=bad, wouldn't it just make sense to disband the house rather than train them up to wage war against the good guys? No wonder there'll all so bitter. I would be too if I was put in the house where I'm expected to be an ass.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Well, the sorting hat keeps harping on the notion that the four houses need to pull together. I think that Slytherin house is so full of a-holes lately because Snape fosters it. Riddle and the Death Eaters not withstanding, Slytherins were probably tolerable back in Slughorn's days.

Something else bothers me ... what house was Pettigrew in? They make it sound like he was a fellow Gryffindor, but that contradicts the statement "There's never been a witch or wizard who went bad that wasn't in Slytherin." Was Quirrell a Slytherin? Was Lockhart? Percy certainly wasn't. I think the statement must be overreaching.
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I'm assuming by "bad" they mean "dark." And, yeah, it's probably a stereotypical statement, except that, you're right, no one in the other houses seems to have any kind of inclination to go "bad." And I've never really thought about Quirrell or Lockhart. But if you look at it this way... Riddle seemed to be a bad egg from the beginning, based on Dumbledore's memories. The only difference was he seemed to act really good in school but was hiding his asshole-ness, while the current Slytherins were also jerks from childhood who just don't bother to hide it. Quirrell admits in the last chapter of Philosopher's Stone that he was very different before he met Voldemort that he was "all concerned about right and wrong". That sounds different from your typical Slytherin who seem to be rotten to begin with. And Lockhart, well, I never really considered him evil to begin with. The book really plays him off as an incompetent bumbling idiot more than genuinely malicious. But then again, he was competent and malicious enough to do all the memory charms we didn't actually see, so I guess that counts for something.

And I do hope that in the 7th book, they do something with the Sorting Hat's words. And I hope they give the Slytherins some reason, some common decency that will allow the other houses to want to band together. Maybe you're right. Maybe it is Snape's influence. I'm not entirely sure if I agree with it, though, since their upbringing seems to be an influential factor. Take Lucius and Narcissa Malfoy, for example.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
You know, when I watched on the news all those media-brainwashed kids waiting until midnight with their "credit card parents" to buy a copy of the latest Harry Potter book while true literature is forgotten or ignored, I was reminded of Fahrenheit 451. But then again, I reminded of myself on the midnight line to see ROTS, so...

But regarding those Harry Potter books, I'd rather read good old Kafka, thank you very much, no matter how much those crappy teenage fantasy book sell.


you obviously dont know literature well then... sry ric but to call the books crappy is just false you can say you didn't like them, but they are by no means crappy
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BTW, what are your thoughts on who R.A.B. is?

I'm almost positive it has to be Regulus Black.


i knew there was a RB but i couldnt think of it. but isnt he dead? also there is the fact that the house would go to him as would kreacher when siris died.


he guys this it just a thought but ther prodominant thought at the end of the book was that the schol was closing, you think its possible that the next book might take place more then year after this one?

another thing, ow i know everything points against this, but i dont think snape is bad, even after killing dumbledore. i have been getting the idea that it was planned, that the whole thing was planned. the way you look at it snape was bound to kill dumbledore it is possible that he knew this, thats why he started harry's training giving him all the knowledge to beat Voldemort. i dont knwo there just somthing about it. why didnt snape do something to harry rather then deflect all of his hexes. he also told the DEs to leave harry, they could have done something like bind harry and taken him with them to voldemort if the darklord really wanted to resevere harry for himself. also back to the thing with dumbledore, dumbledore trusted him for somereason, and always made it apperent that he was hiding something, refuse to beleive it was all for dramatic effect in the book.

one other thought is again maybe dumbledores trust for snape, his love for him will play a role in the last book, snape owes dumbledore alot. and he kill him in cold blood. also i think dumbledore was dieing as it was after the potion he drank. so it was only a matter of time, it was possible that snape saw this and acted to shorten AD misery and also give hism a chance to gain more trust in the DE society, so that when the time was right he could strike. there is just something about that whole relationship that is not quite right, snape and AD.

also i got that snape was the halfblood prince at the halfway point what about you guys.

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Oh, I don't doubt that Regulus Black is dead, but the point is if he is indeed is "R.A.B." then he at least obtained -- and perhaps destroyed -- one of Voldemorts horcruxes before dying. That may very well be why he's dead -- and he was a Slytherin to boot..
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Plus, Harry found a locket in the House of Black in Order of the Phoenix...

(I'm not going to take credit for this observation... something I picked up here and there)

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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The locket which no one could open...

I'm convinced now that Harry will have to find and corner Mundungus Fletcher, I have a feeling that he stole the Slytherin locket(along with most of the Black family's possessions, which are now legally Harry's) from 12 Grimmauld Place.
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BTW, if you haven't already, check out this interview:

Mugglenet - JKR Interview
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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Yeah, I read the first two parts last night. I was just about to check to see if the third part came around yet.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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must resist huge urge to flame potter fans
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Must... resist... huge urge... to... perform Cruciatus Curse... on Kev!

Crucio!

Heh, sorry, it's the devil (geek) in me!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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what the hell??
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Exactly. Now if only they could come up with a spell to prevent forum spamming. ^_~

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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hey guys i wrote a bunch of stuff in my post above last night but never pressed the edit button till now, take a look.
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Yeah, I read an editorial on Mugglenet about what you're saying. That Dumbledore was just trying to protect Draco and knew that, because of the Unbreakable Vow, that Snape would die if he neither he or Draco killed Voldemort. So Snape and Dumbledore decided that it was for the best that Snape kill Dumbledore because Snape was too valuable for the Order to lose.

But then he refuted his own point by saying that, if it had been planned, that there should have been some indication given to somebody in the Order, because Snape can no longer be an effective spy (if he ever was really spying for the Order) if no one in the Order trusts him, which is how Book 6 ends.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I baught it on the 16th, but I also baught Survivor by Chuck Palahniuk on the same day, and I read Survivor first. But now I plan on reading Harry Potter, and I'm pretty hyped about it. I wish I didn't know so much from all my family and friends spoiling it though.
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Yeah, I went in spoiler-free (except for knowing that a character was going to die, but that was something that Rowling announced months ago) and never left my room (except to pee) until I was done, so no one had a chance to spoil anything for me.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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yeah i accidentally read the first line of chalts post on teh first page, so i knew dumbledore was going to die. But i guessed at some point he had to die, i always figured it was going to be in the last book.

but as for my theory with snape, i dont think it was part of dumbledores plan to have him continue to work with the order. I think snape was going to become a lone ranger in the Death eaters, cause it would be way to dangerous for him to still be in contact with the order even when it was him who killed dumbledore, it would be too suspisous. so the plan would be that snape was working alone. he wouldnt have informed the order so as to keep the illusion. now that snaped killed dumbledore the order would be after him, if tey knew however that it was planned they wouldnt show the same passion. we'll see what happens in the last book.

to add to this i always got the impression that dumbledore trusted snape with his life. this offers more evidence that he would even go through with this plan.

but there are alot of points that lead evidence the Snape is a bastard. i personally think that snape is evil however there are so many hints to say otherwise that they cant be ingored, my gut is saying he is good, my mind is saying hes a jackass.
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Yes, but if that was his plan, what benefit would it bring to the good guys if Snape was to just stay with the Death Eaters and not be able to communicate back with the Order?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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BTW, are you a member of the forums over there, Gaffer?
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The question seems less and less to be whether or not Dumbledore is really dead or that how he died wasn't totally expected. Rather, the question is whether or not Snape truly betrayed Dumbledore or whether or not killing him is part of some "master plan."

If you re-read the few paragraphs from where Snape barges onto the scene through where Dumbledore is killed, the words are chosen quite carefully. Nowhere does Dumbledore actually ask Snape to NOT kill him. All he says is "Severus." and "Severus ... please." Dumbledore may in fact be asking Snape to kill him. And if so, he intentionally wanted Harry to witness it.

Chew on that one for a bit.
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Or he just didn't want Draco to become a killer. He was dead anyway, even if there was no unbreakable vow between Snape and Narcissa and Draco didn't follow through with it, one of the Death Eaters would have done him in.
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snape could be very pivital as a sleeper, if at just the right time he shows he really colours. i.e. the battle between harry and voldemort, in book seven. or something inbetween.