Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD - V2.0 - MKV & AVCHD (Released) — Page 68

Just watched the comparison video and some of the workprint (will watch the rest later). Awesome work, thanks again Harmy.

This is neither a "preservation", nor a "fan edit". Its a recreation.

A preservation is impossible, at this stage, and a fan edit implies the liberal use of artistic license.

The only artistry here is in the intuition Harmy employs in his stunning work and the level of compromise he feels is acceptable in trying to reproduce the artistic choices of others.

As for the "corners" issue, I had to go back and look at the screenshots to even see what people were referring to. My thoughts?

If they're seriously enough to sully one's joy in this project, I'd suggest they see a therapist and have themselves professionally diagnosed.

Tobar said:

If we're going to start altering the film to recreate the original theater going experience why not lose some of the clarity of the picture and add in dirt and scratches to more closely approximate a print of the film that's been running in the theater for a while?

 Dude, he's trying to recreate the film as it was shown in theatres in 1980, not some print that's been lying on a shelf for over three decades.

Not sure if anybody encountered this but when loaded on ipad as mp4 the playback freezes then turns black. the audio track is still going though. It's fine when played on the pc as the same file. 

Thank you so much for doing this, it's incredible. 

I was using just the ipad player, but now thanks to you I'm using VLC and it works great. Fantastic. 

Thanks  a lot for the fast reply. Film looks great. 

I absolutely cannot wait for the full release. Better than Christmas!

Tyrphanax said:

I acknowledge that the change is a very small one, but it is not inconsequential; it completely flies in the face of a preservation effort when you make a change other than one to preserve the film, especially if that change is intended to alter the viewer's perception of the film.

Actually, it is the very definition of inconsequential! -- it's not a significant loss of picture. At 1916 x 812 of active picture it amounts to about 19 pixels completely blacked out in the upper left corner, 6 in the lower left, 4 in the upper right, and 9 in the lower right. That's 38 pixels out of 1,555,792 or 0.002%. That's two thousandths of a percent!

Guys, can we please stop going crazy over the rounded corners? Most of you didn't even notice until they were pointed out to you. It's nitpicking about something that seriously is not a big deal. If you really don't like them then you can crop the .002% of the image that has them and still enjoy an enormous amount of footage that Harmy has reintroduced into the film that otherwise you wouldn't have outside the GOUT.  Remember that Harmy is doing this for the love of Star Wars just like the rest of you. This isn't his job and he is not your employee. If he feels it better represents the original film, then he can add the small rounded corners and you really have no room to complain when he is already doing such a huge service to the fans.  Just accept that complaining about the rounded corners is not helpful and get back to talking about more constructive topics. 

Zer0Squared said:

ricsim88 said:

Not sure if anybody encountered this but when loaded on ipad as mp4 the playback freezes then turns black. the audio track is still going though. It's fine when played on the pc as the same file. 

Thank you so much for doing this, it's incredible. 

 No problem here.  What app are you using to play it with?

I've played it successfully with CineXPlayer and VLC.

 Forgot to mention. Tried to play it from ps3 to tv with same result. No picture whatsoever. Should I try saving it as a mts?

thanks

I haven't watched the entire movie but what I have seen I must say is simply beautiful!!! I will join in the sentiments that this is the best the original movie has ever looked. I am so glad you are doing this!!!! I'm astounded how crisp and clean a lot of the model works seems to be, almost as if the original pieces were used to recomposite them.  Excellent job!!!!!

So far, the only problem I've seen, are some boxes around the AT-AT's through one of the cockpits.  I believe it's the scene where Luke is crashing, but not sure.

I think this debate over the rounded corners has gotten a bit too heated on both sides. I wouldn't have added the rounded corners, but it's pretty minor in the scheme of things and obviously doesn't detract substantially from the amazing work harmy is doing and from which we are all benefiting. On the other hand, this is a forum in which to discuss harmy's work, and so if people want to comment on the corners, they should be free to do so (politely of course). 

DavidMerrick said:

Tobar said:

If we're going to start altering the film to recreate the original theater going experience why not lose some of the clarity of the picture and add in dirt and scratches to more closely approximate a print of the film that's been running in the theater for a while?

 Dude, he's trying to recreate the film as it was shown in theatres in 1980, not some print that's been lying on a shelf for over three decades.

 Personally I don't have a problem with having rounded corners or the absence of scratches and dirt. But just for the sake of argument, keep in mind that a given film print can easily go through a projector more than 150 times in its first month of release, and it won't be run through a brand-new projector unboxed specifically for that print. Most of the people who watched a film during its initial theatrical release would have seen noticeable levels of dirt and scratches on the print, especially later in the run.

I'm not really a fan of the rounded corners. I think the film should look as close as possible to a pristine scan of the o-neg, not a theatrical print. That said, it's Harmy's project and he can do what he wants and I'll still watch it regardless.

It's a questionable choice, I admit, but definitely not as devastating as others seem to think. Anyway, I don't think there is anything left to discuss on this matter until Harmy says anything else about it. We've pretty much talked to death about it.

What is the goal of Harmy's re-creations?

- To create versions of the movies which are as close to the theatrical versions as possible

Do the theatrical versions have rounded corners?

- Yes, they do.

So what the f*** are you arguing about?

BTW I'm pretty sure 99% of those who complain didn't notice it until they read it here

Turisu said:

About the corners I'll just weigh in on the side that says I don't like it, but I can live with it. It seems like an odd personal choice that doesn't really fit with what I understood the spirit of this project to be, but it's Harmy's project at the end of the day so who am I to say?

 I agree with this post.

*mic drop*