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I cant wait for v3.
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Less than 1gb??? I may need to download this just to see how bad the picture quality looks
Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD - V2.0 - MKV & AVCHD (Released) — Page 148
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Less than 1gb??? I may need to download this just to see how bad the picture quality looks
That’s how big the mp4 versions of Star Wars and Return of the Jedi were when I got them off archive; former was 704mb and the latter was 774mb iirc.
“The Force will be with you. Always…”
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FWIW there were never any official MP4 encodes, but there are re-encodes made by random internet people all over the place, mostly because people really were put off by the file sizes of the official downloads. i.e. if you’re going into this from a film preservation/I want something with better quality than the official releases that I can keep forever, big file sizes aren’t a concern. But if all you want to do it watch a movie once on your phone and be done with it, well, something smaller is probably good enough. Different strokes and all that.
But those MP4s you found might not be a “matched set”, they may be re-encodes made by three entirely different people using entirely different quality/speed trade-offs, they may have made different and possibly bad audio choices, etc. Heck, someone could have spliced Jedi Rocks back into ROTJ for all we know, people do all sorts of weird things. That’s the downside of unofficial sources.
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Hey Harmy, I’m curious about the sources being used for Despecialized, namely for ESB Despecialized. So for Star Wars you’re using the UHD and 4K77, and for Jedi the UHD and 4K83, however you began work on ESB before the release of 4K80 1.0. Were you using the fuji print that 4K80 was based on? I think I also heard you mention having a couple of ESB 35mm prints, are any of these some of the newer prints Team Negative One got access to? (For example the second fuji print which is of higher quality than the fuji print used in 4K80) Hope you can answer some of these questions, thanks!
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I did get some of the raw scans used for 4K80, plus scans of some other prints from TN1 but I don’t want to go into details, as I’m not sure what they may want to keep under wraps.
I will likely now switch to 4K80 v1.0 as my primary source anyway, as most of the cleanup work has been done, which will make my work easier.
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Thanks for the rapid reply Harmy, good to know you’ll be using 4K80 and I look forward to hearing more about your projects!
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Send all of this to Internet Archive.
Hello!
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Hello!
My name is Roman and I am from Ukraine.
I synchronized the Ukrainian translation of “Star Wars” for the “Despecialized trilogy”.
In Ukraine, we have three voice options:
- Many voiceover. The TV channel “1+1” broadcast the SE 1997 version in 2002-2004.
- Many voiceover. The “ICTV” TV channel broadcast the SE 2004 version in 2009.
- Official dubbed voiceover (6 chanel audio) by studio “LeDoyen”. The TV channel “UFO.TV” broadcast in 2016-2018.
Please include the soundtracks I made in future updates of your videos.
Thanks!
And… May the Force be with you!
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Is Harmy working on his 4K versions of ANH and ESB? ROTJ 3.1 is complete and it looks great, but I’m looking forward to his work on the first two.
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Indications are currently positive, but don’t expect a release anytime soon. It’ll happen when it happens, and there’ll be much rejoicing.
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Hey Harmy,
I wanted to ask if other 35mm sources could be considered for ESB Despecialized v3.0. I came across a German 1997 35mm print in TheStarWarsTrilogy.com forum that looks really fantastic – great colors, not too much grain, and in many areas it looks better than the official UHD Blu-ray.
I’ve only seen a couple scenes from 4K80, but they seemed grainier than this 97 copy. Could this be a good source for undoing changes made in the 2004 and 2011 versions, like the Emperor scene or the zoomed Millenium Falcon cockpit shots? Or perhaps to replace some of the bad looking UHD Blu-ray scenes that suffered from heavy digital noise reduction to achieve the best possible restoration of Empire Strikes Back?
I’d be really interested to hear your thoughts on this!
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It’s definitely an option.
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A 97 print scan would be a great source for the original Emperor scene!
EDIT: …and sort of the only usable option for unzooming cockpit shots, good call.
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And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.
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I took a few screenshots from the German 1997 35mm print to give an idea of how it looks.
Here are a few examples:
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And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.
Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?
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And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.
Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?
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It’s definitely an option.
There’s also the 4K97-V print on the TSWT forums which is very clean and in great condition.
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And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.
Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?
If someone did that and released a regrained version, I’d be super happy to use it as a source but I really can’t see myself doing that for three entire movies myself, it’s just too time consuming.
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And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.
Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?
If someone did that and released a regrained version, I’d be super happy to use it as a source but I really can’t see myself doing that for three entire movies myself, it’s just too time consuming.
I think Adywan is going to release his ROTJ color correction before Revisited, which has the grain corrected, if you ever make a ROTJ 3.2 you could use this version and then add your colors. If you want to do it when it comes out of course. By the way, TGWNN is working on a 2020 4K Blu-Ray remaster of ANH that also fixes this issue and adds details from the 2011 Blu-Ray that were erased by the 4K DNR. Although this project will take a long time as he is working on another project of 4K77.
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And some recomposited shots that were only done in 2004, like the imperial fleet introduction.
Hello Harmy, I don’t know if it’s too late to ask this, but if you end up doing a ROTJ 3.2, and when you have to do ANH AND ESB 3.0, will you do DNR to the 4K Blu-Ray image to carefully eliminate the static grain from these masters like Adywan and That guy with no name are doing in their projects, and then add non-static fine grain back to it to make the image less dirty? Or are you just going to add grain on top of the image without cleaning the static grain first?
If someone did that and released a regrained version, I’d be super happy to use it as a source but I really can’t see myself doing that for three entire movies myself, it’s just too time consuming.
I think Adywan is going to release his ROTJ color correction before Revisited, which has the grain corrected, if you ever make a ROTJ 3.2 you could use this version and then add your colors. If you want to do it when it comes out of course. By the way, TGWNN is working on a 2020 4K Blu-Ray remaster of ANH that also fixes this issue and adds details from the 2011 Blu-Ray that were erased by the 4K DNR. Although this project will take a long time as he is working on another project of 4K77.
Is there somewhere that’s a “worst offenders list” for specific shots, etc that suffer from the worst DNR, frozen grain and that sort of issue?
I know that with despecialization, a huge amount of the work is simply knowing and tracking what needs to be changed. If there were a list, at least that might be a more manageable load for people to attack.
i.e. if Harmy knew “for these six shots, use the 2011 BD or another source instead of the UHD”, then that’d be pretty helpful.
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For Return of the Jedi, Adywan might know which shots from the 2011 Blu-ray look better, since he already replaced some during the color grading of the 2020 BD. It could be worth asking him.
For Star Wars, as YAREL_RGP already mentioned, TGWNN would be the best person to ask, though I’m not sure if his 2020 BD remastering project is finished yet.
As for The Empire Strikes Back, I’m not aware of any similar project, but Adywan did mention at least one shot from the 2020 BD with bad framing. Maybe he knows of other problematic shots as well.
It would definitely be helpful if users could share their findings on specific shots with heavy DNR, frozen grain, or other issues. That way, projects like Despecialized (or any other restorations) could benefit from that information. A community-driven “worst offenders” list could make things much easier to tackle.
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Have you ever lived in the U.S.A?
Hello!
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Hello,
as I wanted to look at the gallery of changes made in TESB 2.0, I followed the link provided https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/109609428403596349302/albums/6044645069501365185
but i was routed to https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2023/04/new-community-features-for-google-chat-and-an-update-currents .html
😦
what should i do to go to the gallery please ?
regards