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Harmy's STAR WARS Respecialized Edition '97 - AVCHD and MKV Released — Page 7

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stretch009 said:

 Man, I don't know.  Doesn't that violate two rules (#3 and #4).  But I guess the way this thread is going......

Were you guys given different rules than I was? I have "Never put peanuts in the trail mix" and "Always wipe back to front" and rules 3 and 4 and I've been following them to the letter.

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Where can I find the download link? I am very interested in watching Harmy's Respesialized having all three despecialized. Thanks in advance and great work Harmy!

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"This can be found at the usual paradoxical place in the same thread as the Despecialized Edition."

I have no idea what he means by this. I checked the forum for Despecialized but I can't find it.

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Oh I was trying to respond to an earlier thread.

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bkev said:

Stinky's a fucking institution, man. Banning him would be like banning Frink, only worse.

:)

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CapableMetal said:

Beber said:

John213a, Harmy still projects to do them. He just needs someone to take care of the audio part, and the audios in question are the dts theatrical tracks extracted from the actual dts CD-Roms.

I actually synched-up the theatrical DTS for the trilogy almost two years ago, but never released them because there was no release-appropriate video source to go with them, plus no one seemed to be too interested in them at the time. I have already PM'ed Harmy offering them to him should he want to use them.

 Is he going to use them? :)

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CapableMetal said:

Beber said:

John213a, Harmy still projects to do them. He just needs someone to take care of the audio part, and the audios in question are the dts theatrical tracks extracted from the actual dts CD-Roms.

I actually synched-up the theatrical DTS for the trilogy almost two years ago, but never released them because there was no release-appropriate video source to go with them, plus no one seemed to be too interested in them at the time. I have already PM'ed Harmy offering them to him should he want to use them.

You haven't sent these my way have you?

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John213a said:

Oh I was trying to respond to an earlier thread.

 I'm not sure you know what a thread is...

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Hello, all. A few quick questions on burning this project to disc...

1) Would one be better off burning the MKV file straight to BD (my player can play MKVs) so as to take advantage of the higher bit-rate and DTS-HD track, or just going with the AVCHD?

2) Does the AVCHD ISO contain disc menus, chapters, etc.?

3) I've seen Harmy's advice to another member on here to mux the DTS track to the AVCHD video stream. Would anyone be so kind as to point me in the right direction as to how exactly to do that?... Should this be done in a program like HandBrake, or somewhere during the burn process?

Thanks.

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imagazzell said:

Hello, all. A few quick questions on burning this project to disc...

1) Would one be better off burning the MKV file straight to BD (my player can play MKVs) so as to take advantage of the higher bit-rate and DTS-HD track, or just going with the AVCHD?

2) Does the AVCHD ISO contain disc menus, chapters, etc.?

3) I've seen Harmy's advice to another member on here to mux the DTS track to the AVCHD video stream. Would anyone be so kind as to point me in the right direction as to how exactly to do that?... Should this be done in a program like HandBrake, or somewhere during the burn process?

Thanks.

 1) Just go with the AVCHD unless you really want the three audio tracks. The difference in video is small, as is the difference between the Dolby and the DTS tracks.

2) Both the AVCHD and MKV have chapters, but no menus.

3) If you want to mux audio use tsMuxeR for making .ts or mkvmerge/MKVtoolnix for making mkv's.

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Thanks a lot, ElectricTriangle. Much obliged.

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Also, IIRC, the MKV with DTS audio has the letterboxing cropped out, so it's something like 1280x544 instead of 1280x720. So you can't just remux the MKV to a BD-compliant stream, since it isn't the correct size. Which is why Harmy recommended using the AVCHD video stream with the DTS audio - the AVCHD is 1280x720 with black letterboxing, and therefore BD-compliant.

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The AVCHD version of this on myspleen is in desperate need of seeds if anybody can help me out.  Been trying to to dl for quite a long time.

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I have downloaded the AVCHD version, extracted the m2ts file and muxed it to a mkv file. The thing that bothers me though is that it contains only one medium quality 384 Kbps AC3 audio track. Is there a way for me to obtain the DTS-HD track or a 640 Kbps re-encoded AC3 of it, without having me to download the whole 10,7 GB MKV version?

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If you're making an MKV from it, what's the point of using the AVCHD at all?

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What the point of making a AVCHD version with inferiour audio? I also downloaded all your other AVCHD versions and they all had good quality audio, but that's beside the point. Now I downloaded the "wrong" version could you provide me with the DTS track or a high quality re-encoded AC3 version of it?

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It's the original LD soundtrack.
DTS-HD doesn't work in AVCHD and by all accounts, the LD 5.1 audio is really good.

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The LD 5.1 audio may be good, but with a compression of 384 Kbps it's about half as good as all the other primary tracks of the despecialized versions which are all encoded with 640 Kbps. Therefor I really like to have the DTS-HD track or an encoded 640 Kbps AC3 version of it. Isn't there an easy way for me like sending it to me or a place I can download it at?

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If you want to burn to a BD-R and play in standalone BD players, download the AVCHD and MKV, and remux as a BDMV folder in tsmuxer, with the AVCHD video (which is BD-compatible) and MKV audio (which is the DTS-HD).

If you just want an MKV file to watch on PC or hardware players, then just download the MKV and boom, you're done.

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The DTS-HD track in the mkv file is not lossless, because there is no uncompressed source for the '97 mix outside the Lucasfilm vaults.

It comes from the theatrical DTS CD-ROM's, which are lossy.  Since the cinema DTS format encodes audio at 44.1 kHz and runs at 24 frames per second, it had to be converted to 48 kHz at 23.976 frames per second to fit with home video standards.  So that's two stages of destructive processing being performed on a source that is already lossy to begin with—the final result is only encoded into DTS-HD MA format to keep it from having to undergo any additional degradation.

Transcoding this into AC3 would be another destructive stage which is best avoided altogether.  Any improvement over the laserdisc version would be marginal.  Far more noticeable is the discrepancy in playback level caused by the laserdisc audio having a DialNorm value of -27, meaning that it is 4 dB quieter than the other versions.  Turning up your receiver's volume by 4 dB to compensate when listening to the AC3 track will cancel this out, and it will sound very similar to the DTS.  In fact, it may actually sound better due to the laserdisc audio having a discrete LFE channel, unlike cinema DTS which stores its LFE information in the surround channels and low-pass filters it out to the subwoofer.

The mkv file has the DTS, AC3, and stereo PCM tracks, and of the three, the stereo PCM clearly has the best sound quality due to being true uncompressed audio.  The other two each have their own advantages and disadvantages.  For best quality, you have to give up the discrete channels and extra bass offered by the 5.1 tracks, since no lossless multichannel version of the '97 mix was ever released by Lucasfilm.  As Harmy indicated, AVCHD does not support DTS audio, only AC3 and PCM, and the PCM track is too large to fit into a file size intended to be burned to DVD.  That left the AC3 as the only viable option; but as I have explained, the difference is less significant than may be supposed at first glance.

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Thanks for this explanation. Now I don't feel bad anymore having just the LD audio.

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Anyone know if Harmy got the audio needed for ESB and ROTJ? Would love to see harmy release these two too, to go with ep. 4.