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Well, it’s my least favorite version to watch. I have no principial problem with the recompositing there, since it’s not claiming to be a theatrical version but the problem is it wasn’t done very well in some places - the very first shot, while much less grainy than the other versions, shows very clear signs of badly digitally composited smoke for example.

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Harmy said:

  • the very first shot, while much less grainy than the other versions, shows very clear signs of badly digitally composited smoke for example.

Was that an original smoke element not very well digitally re-composited, or a newly created cg element?

I would agree its my least favourite version of the DC, but mainly due to the green CC.

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Of all restorations, I think Star Trek, The Next Generation has got to be, without a question, the best recompositing job.

They took the original 35mm elements which were originally composited in video and redid everything in high def and with modern techniques.

A shame that they were missing elements for certain shots and were obliged to turn to CG recreations, but I don’t think anyone can say they look WORSE than the original video masters.

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Agreed. I watched it on Netflix and none of the effects ever felt out of place. The situation here is, of course, quite different, since the TNG vfx shots never existed as anything else than SD video, just like the rest of the assembled show, so they received the same treatment as the non-vfx shots by being upgraded to HD and the original shots are preserved in the best quality they ever existed in on DVD.

The situation is quite different for TOS though, where the VFX shots were composited optically on film before being telecined for broadcasting and the new CGI shots in the remastered versions look terribly out of place, so I find the version with the original VFX much more pleasant to watch. But, luckily, on BD you can choose which version to watch, so no problem there either.

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Some of the TOS stuff isn’t actually original, either. Though, very, very minor changes I suppose.

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If I understood the TOS situation correctly, or in other words if the people in the comment sections under those videos were correct, the Blu-rays are not source from the ORIGINAL negatives, as the promotional material suggests, but from new internegs created in early 80’s for syndication. That’s why they include unified opening credits (originally each of the first 13 episodes had slightly different opening credits) and fixed some of the effects scenes, like the planet shots in The Naked Time.

Harmy - a quick question - so are the TNG episodes available on Netflix in whole Europe? Do they contain the fixed versions? http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/netflix-brings-vfx-fixes-to-star-trek-tng-in-hd/2/ I’ve been searching for the fixed episodes for years, so if they are indeed there maybe I can finally have a reason to get Netflix myself.
And by the way, not ALL of the effects were done on video. Only Dan Curry’s team apparently shot effects on video at 30fps, Rob Legato’s team and definitely ILM were shooting them on classic 35mm film.

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They were shot on 35mm but as far as I know, those elements were then composited in video, which is why they had to, and could, be recomposited digitally for the HD version. I bet the elements shot directly to video were the ones that had to be recreated with CGI.
As to whether TNG is available on Netflix in Slovakia, I have no idea, though I don’t see why it wouldn’t be, if it’s available here in the Czech Republic. And if the article says that the fixes were done specifically for Netflix, I’m sure that’s what you’d get.

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If I understood the TOS situation correctly, or in other words if the people in the comment sections under those videos were correct, the Blu-rays are not source from the ORIGINAL negatives, as the promotional material suggests, but from new internegs created in early 80’s for syndication. That’s why they include unified opening credits (originally each of the first 13 episodes had slightly different opening credits) and fixed some of the effects scenes, like the planet shots in The Naked Time.

Harmy - a quick question - so are the TNG episodes available on Netflix in whole Europe? Do they contain the fixed versions? http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/netflix-brings-vfx-fixes-to-star-trek-tng-in-hd/2/ I’ve been searching for the fixed episodes for years, so if they are indeed there maybe I can finally have a reason to get Netflix myself.
And by the way, not ALL of the effects were done on video. Only Dan Curry’s team apparently shot effects on video at 30fps, Rob Legato’s team and definitely ILM were shooting them on classic 35mm film.

Well, on the making of documentary for the TOS blurays, they’re definitely handling negatives. Beyond that, I have no idea why there are tiny differences between the two.

For TNG, the only effects that were “video” were the early CGI and phaser shots (maybe others as well). But Dan Curry definitely shot on film but at 30 fps which caused some issues for the remaster since everything was done at 24 fps instead of 30 fps of the video masters. You do see some weird artifacts, but unless you’re really staring at it, it’s fine.

And the reason for recreated shots of the ship were because they would often be missing an element like a light pass or a matte pass and it would have been too difficult to recreate the missing pass in CG so the entire shot would be replaced instead.

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Wait a minute… Star Trek TNG’s film source was at 30 fps? For the whole series?

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There are many scenes with models which move “strangely” in the Blu-ray version, and all of them are in episodes done by Curry’s team, a 30fps -> 24fps conversion is a good explanation for the strange movement. But he certainly used words like “video tape” and “video camera” in some of the documentaries.

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I am watching Star Wars Despecialized Edition V 2.7 now. Towards the end there seems to be problem with the picture. I cannot really explain it. But when Luke, Han and Chewie enter the hall you see Luke first, then Han and finally Chewie. Then cut to the bystanders right in the middle of the shot of the bystanders, a frame of Chewbacca shows up and quickly goes away. Does somebody else have the same problem?

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Rebel1990 said:

I am watching Star Wars Despecialized Edition V 2.7 now. Towards the end there seems to be problem with the picture. I cannot really explain it. But when Luke, Han and Chewie enter the hall you see Luke first, then Han and finally Chewie. Then cut to the bystanders right in the middle of the shot of the bystanders, a frame of Chewbacca shows up and quickly goes away. Does somebody else have the same problem?

Do you have a timecode for when this happens? This is for the ending celebration, right?

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Yeah, correct. It’s around 1:56:06. Is there a possobility to upload pictures around here?

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Rebel1990 said:

I am watching Star Wars Despecialized Edition V 2.7 now. Towards the end there seems to be problem with the picture. I cannot really explain it. But when Luke, Han and Chewie enter the hall you see Luke first, then Han and finally Chewie. Then cut to the bystanders right in the middle of the shot of the bystanders, a frame of Chewbacca shows up and quickly goes away. Does somebody else have the same problem?

Do you have a timecode for when this happens? This is for the ending celebration, right?

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Rebel1990 said:

Yeah, correct. It’s around 1:56:06. Is there a possobility to upload pictures around here?

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Rebel1990 said:

I am watching Star Wars Despecialized Edition V 2.7 now. Towards the end there seems to be problem with the picture. I cannot really explain it. But when Luke, Han and Chewie enter the hall you see Luke first, then Han and finally Chewie. Then cut to the bystanders right in the middle of the shot of the bystanders, a frame of Chewbacca shows up and quickly goes away. Does somebody else have the same problem?

Do you have a timecode for when this happens? This is for the ending celebration, right?

yes. upload the picture somewhere and do this:

![](INSERT LINK TO PICTURE HERE)

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https://share-your-photo.com/4db3792083

Strange. At first I was concerned about an entire frame slipping in somewhere, as these kinds of things can happen in the editing process. I have a decent process for checking for those faults, though. This looks much more like an encoding or playback error.

This kind of encoding error may have happened on my end, but it seems a little less likely to me. Can you give the details of the file? Format, exact size, checksum ideally? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s something someone transcoded into a smaller file to throw on a public tracker, but perhaps not!

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A friend of mine did the burning for me as I do not have the equipment to do so. I will ask him next time I see him.

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Rebel1990 said:

https://share-your-photo.com/4db3792083

Strange. At first I was concerned about an entire frame slipping in somewhere, as these kinds of things can happen in the editing process. I have a decent process for checking for those faults, though. This looks much more like an encoding or playback error.

This kind of encoding error may have happened on my end, but it seems a little less likely to me. Can you give the details of the file? Format, exact size, checksum ideally? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s something someone transcoded into a smaller file to throw on a public tracker, but perhaps not!

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I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

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Thank you all. Then we will try next time.

ZigZig said:

I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

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ZigZig said:

I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

Or the player might be converting 720p24 to 1080i for HDMI transmission, and the TV’s turning is back into 1080p and one or both of the devices are not handling it well. 720p24 does invite player problems because it can’t be transmitted over HDMI natively.

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I tried it on two different players, both with the same outcome. The sound does not skip though.

It’s only a minor glitch and I should not complain, but as a Fan… 😉

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ZigZig said:

I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

Or the player might be converting 720p24 to 1080i for HDMI transmission, and the TV’s turning is back into 1080p and one or both of the devices are not handling it well. 720p24 does invite player problems because it can’t be transmitted over HDMI natively.

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“Official?” Are there different versions? I am pretty sure he followed Harmy’s instructions.> ZigZig said:

I just checked, there is no such encoding error in the “official” mkv v2.7. So this issue must come from your friend’s encoding.

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CatBus said:

720p24 does invite player problems because it can’t be transmitted over HDMI natively.

Are you sure? I never heard that HDMI cannot transmit 720p24.

Anyway, the two half-frames of Rebel1990’s screenshot are #166 974 and #166 988, so it seems that there is a gap of 14 frames in his version. So it is more than probably an error during the encoding made by his friend.

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“Official?” Are there different versions? I am pretty sure he followed Harmy’s instructions.> ZigZig said:

Well, there is lot of people who reencoded the files, with less subtitles, only one audio track, or a higher compression (or who sell it on eBay 😦 ). I just want to mean that I checked the original file as I downloaded it when it was released.