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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW — Page 624

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dahmage said:

(one release it was not updated for, i forget which).

v2.6 I believe.

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dahmage said:

shaggy said:

Are there dates for when each of the versions were released? I burned all three despecialized films onto DVD a few years ago, but I have no idea which versions I had or if there have been any updates to them or not. I’d like to update them if newer, better versions are available, but I can’t easily find any of the version release dates. TIA!

Check the end end credits (The despecialised credits tacked on to the end). it should include a roman numeral version number, which is nearly always accurate (one release it was not updated for, i forget which).

I feel ridiculous asking this, but how do I translate Roman numerals to version numbers? Both my ESB and ROTJ have numerals MMXI. Is that a year (2011) or a version number (v. 2.1? 2.11)?

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Year. Sounds like those are version 1.0.

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Can someone please tell me where I can get version 2.7 at

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Check out “The Ultimate Introductory Guide” in the first post.

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As a reference, is Harmy’s Despecialized 2.7 Gout-synced or if not what’s the lag/lead in frames?

I think I remember someone telling me that the latest version of Empire was off by 1 frame.

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Alderaan said:

As a reference, is Harmy’s Despecialized 2.7 Gout-synced or if not what’s the lag/lead in frames?

I think I remember someone telling me that the latest version of Empire was off by 1 frame.

2.7 is GOUT-synced. ESB 2.0 is off by a frame.

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Thank you, towne.

SW: GOUT-synced
ESB: 1-frame lead or lag?

ROTJ?

Appreciated!

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ROTJ is now synced. ESB currently has an extra frame at the very beginning, so audio should be slightly delayed.

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Would someone please re-explain to me what the whole “GOUT-syncing” thing is and when/why we started talking about it?

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Fang Zei said:

Would someone please re-explain to me what the whole “GOUT-syncing” thing is and when/why we started talking about it?

The GOUT release is used as the standard for OOT preservations to ensure the many audio projects are compatible with as many video sources as possible.

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Really?

I’m not sure that’s true…heck, I’m not sure I even understand it.

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Fang Zei said:

Would someone please re-explain to me what the whole “GOUT-syncing” thing is and when/why we started talking about it?

It’s so that people have a reference so that audio is synced with video.

Worrying about one or two frames out of sync is a bit ridiculous.

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GOUT is just a reference for which video frames to include. Lots of video/film releases are missing frames here and there, particularly at reel changes. In fact, the GOUT frames probably include more frames than anyone ever actually saw in theatres, but it is consistent (well, assuming you stick with NTSC or PAL…), and no other release is consistent with another, so “just pick a standard and stick with it” applies here.

So everyone syncs up their audio (and subtitles, natch) to the GOUT, and then as long as whoever releases the video makes it GOUT-synced, it all just works–video from one guy, audio from another, subtitles from a third. Makes the sort of informal cross-project collaboration we do around here easy. The problem is, if your video is missing GOUT frames, how do you fix that? Some will add black frames, some will add color-matched frames from a comparable alternate source. Some will just say to hell with it and not be GOUT synced. If your video has frames the GOUT doesn’t, that’s easy–just chop them out.

I have never been able to notice a one-frame sync difference (42 ms off). Probably because there are already ADR and SFX sync problems in the movies themselves, and a one-frame difference is less than that. A two-frame sync difference (83 ms off), however, is right on the edge of perception for me. It requires just the right sort of thing to be happening, but then I notice it. For other things, I don’t. Three frames is right out.

I wouldn’t sweat the 1 frame sync issue in ESB (but it’s also dead simple to fix, so why not?). ROTJ used to have a 2 frame sync problem that was bad enough I made my own audio files for it. IIRC, I never noticed it at all on SFX or the score, or even most dialogue–but every time Han spoke, it was obvious. I think it’s because Harrison Ford moves his mouth a lot (unlike Carrie Fisher), and he talks quickly (unlike Ian McDiarmid). It takes both factors for me to notice a two-frame offset. ESB also used to have a two-frame sync problem for a much smaller section of film, but Han didn’t speak during that part, so I never noticed.

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yhwx said:

Fang Zei said:

Would someone please re-explain to me what the whole “GOUT-syncing” thing is and when/why we started talking about it?

It’s so that people have a reference so that audio is synced with video.

Worrying about one or two frames out of sync is a bit ridiculous.

Worrying about it is indeed ridiculous. Making sure it’s noted and remembered so that it’s fixed next time (as SW 2.7 was) is nonridiculous.

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CatBus said:

I have never been able to notice a one-frame sync difference (42 ms off). Probably because there are already ADR and SFX sync problems in the movies themselves, and a one-frame difference is less than that. A two-frame sync difference (83 ms off), however, is right on the edge of perception for me. It requires just the right sort of thing to be happening, but then I notice it. For other things, I don’t. Three frames is right out.

I wonder if the imperfections that come along with ADR are sometimes enhanced past the threshold where they are noticeable, with small frame shifts. Of course, at other times it might improve the effect. 😛

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Everyone has a different perception tolerance. I probably have a higher sensitivity to sync than most, but professional audio people will work at the subframe level. I’ve talked to people who obsess over half a frame.

As Catbus said though, it’s just a standard. The ADR isn’t perfect anyway.

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Does anyone know if the GOUT is really complete or if there are frames it doesn’t have?

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LexX said:

Does anyone know if the GOUT is really complete or if there are frames it doesn’t have?

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Whats-missing-from-GOUT/id/6725

Also, for our purposes, we’re talking NTSC GOUT. PAL GOUT has some frames that NTSC GOUT doesn’t.

But “complete” is a bit in the eye of the beholder. GOUT already has more frames than anyone ever saw theatrically, so if you’re talking about theatrical fidelity, GOUT is already beyond complete. But as far as every frame that ever made it into any home video release ever, no, it’s not.

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LexX said:

Does anyone know if the GOUT is really complete or if there are frames it doesn’t have?

The US ANH GOUT is missing the last frame of reel 5. The UK GOUT appears to be complete. The reel changes are the only places that there is any variation due to missing frame between the LDs, GOUT, 97 SE broadcast, DVD, and Blu-ray. The UK GOUT, DVD and Blu-ray have exactly the same reel breaks. The 97 SE braodcast of ANH is complete, TESB is missing 1 frame, and ROTJ is missing 8 frames (when you compare the TB and G’kar versions to complile a complete version). Many of the LD versons are missing multiple frames at each reel break. The Definitive Edition and Faces should be complete since they are from the same source as the GOUT. I have no idea why the US GOUT is missing that one frame when it is there in so many other versions.

I have not yet checked to see if the US GOUT of TESB or ROTJ are missing any frames. It is on my list. But between the UK GOUT, the DVD, and the Blu-ray, there are no frames missing at any reel breaks. And for the 97 SE, it is only at 1 reel break in TESB and 4 in ROTJ where there are missing frames. I’ve even aligned the blu-ray to the GOUT and found them in complete agreement aside from the SE edits. For instance, during the ANH Death Star battle, all the SE shots that replace the originals run for the same number of frames. Same with the Cloud City shots with the windows added.

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With regards to that missing reel 5 frame, is the gout audio (from despecialized) better synced with or without that frame?

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Since Depecialized is based on the Blu-ray, I can’t say. From what I’ve seen, one frame does not derail the audio sync.

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oohteedee said:

With regards to that missing reel 5 frame, is the gout audio (from despecialized) better synced with or without that frame?

Well, this is interesting, because this is the exact place where there is a discrepancy between SW Despecialized 2.5 and the NTSC GOUT. I’ve never seen it discussed as anything but an error, and I ‘corrected’ it for 2.7.

Is it possible that Harmy was simply using the PAL GOUT?

I have indeed noticed the extra frame when looking at the blu-ray, but I didn’t know this was anything other than an SE anomaly.

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PAL GOUT is 25fps so it can’t really be the basis of a NTSC sync which is what Despecialized is.
So the question really is is the actual GOUT out of sync by that one frame and does reinserting it sync it properly or did they trim the audio to sync with the missing frame?

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towne32 said:

oohteedee said:

With regards to that missing reel 5 frame, is the gout audio (from despecialized) better synced with or without that frame?

Well, this is interesting, because this is the exact place where there is a discrepancy between SW Despecialized 2.5 and the NTSC GOUT. I’ve never seen it discussed as anything but an error, and I ‘corrected’ it for 2.7.

Is it possible that Harmy was simply using the PAL GOUT?

I have indeed noticed the extra frame when looking at the blu-ray, but I didn’t know this was anything other than an SE anomaly.

That frame can be found at the end of reel 5 in the JSC ANH. It is not an SE anomaly. Althor1138 included it in his GOUT synced mkv - that spot is missing a couple frames from the beginning of reel 6. It is also in the DE LD. I would have to plug in my LD player and fire up the old TV to check my Faces LD set, but I’m pretty sure it is in that one as well. So it being missing from the US GOUT is where the error lies, not it being in all the SE versions. The US GOUT for ANH is not the most complete and accurate version. I’m not sure, with all the LD projects that were floating around here before 2006, how the US GOUT disc became the standard to sync to. The DE LD set should have been the standard. My copy (I used to think it was the TR47 verison, but now I have no idea because whoever made it did the reverse pull down to get the 23.975 fps) isn’t the greatest quality, but it syncs up perfectly with the UK GOUT. Again, I haven’t checked TESB or ROTJ yet. That is coming as I try to create the audio tracks.