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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW — Page 579

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althor1138 said:

Harmy said:

Well, actually, ISO may be a little better, since it’s easier not to screw up the burning process. But content-wise, definitely the same thing.

I haven’t been paying attention to the BD projects here in this thread but thought I should mention that if you have integrated (real) seamless branching somewhere on the disc then it is imperative that you burn from the disc image in order to maintain the physical disc layout and prevent skipping during playback of the branches. With the right authoring software it will interleave the 2 branches so that they occupy a similar space on the disc to prevent the laser from having to bounce around. Otherwise, yeah, about the same thing.

True. LBA matters for these kind of things. But it doesn’t really matter as far as homebrew discs go. Not a single member here has gotten seamless branching working successfully on a blu-ray disc. Or, if they have, they have kept it to themselves.

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yoda-sama said:

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pittrek said:

The sky is not supposed to be blue, but “greyish”

Color correction discussions are often quite entertaining.

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TV’s Frink said:

pittrek said:

The sky is not supposed to be blue, but “greyish”

Color correction discussions are often quite entertaining.

HEY MAN I’M LOOKING OUT MY WINDOW AT THE SKY RIGHT NOW AND THAT SHIT IS BLUE

OK, the sky on Tatooine is not supposed to be blue. The ILM guys specifically talked about it in one of the many 1997 featurettes, and if I remember correctly it’s also mentioned on the Episode 1 DVD bonus features.

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I don’t know about you guys, but to me Harmy’s sky looks just as blue as it does on a clear day up hear in North Dakota. Not gray. No, it’s not the deep almost purplish blue that it is on the laserdisc image, but it’s definitely blue, a light sky blue, whether intended or not.

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pittrek said:

TV’s Frink said:

pittrek said:

The sky is not supposed to be blue, but “greyish”

Color correction discussions are often quite entertaining.

HEY MAN I’M LOOKING OUT MY WINDOW AT THE SKY RIGHT NOW AND THAT SHIT IS BLUE

OK, the sky on Tatooine is not supposed to be blue. The ILM guys specifically talked about it in one of the many 1997 featurettes, and if I remember correctly it’s also mentioned on the Episode 1 DVD bonus features.

I was agreeing with you.

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Thanks I will show this to my roommates nephews and introduce them to SW in this way! Keep up the good work Harmy you really are making us all proud.

By the way Han shot first.

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althor1138 said:

Harmy said:

Well, actually, ISO may be a little better, since it’s easier not to screw up the burning process. But content-wise, definitely the same thing.

I haven’t been paying attention to the BD projects here in this thread but thought I should mention that if you have integrated (real) seamless branching somewhere on the disc then it is imperative that you burn from the disc image in order to maintain the physical disc layout and prevent skipping during playback of the branches. With the right authoring software it will interleave the 2 branches so that they occupy a similar space on the disc to prevent the laser from having to bounce around. Otherwise, yeah, about the same thing.

I doesn’t have seamless branching.

And it isn’t “about” the same thing, it is the same thing.

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I doesn’t have seamless branching.

You don’t have seamless branching? How do you mange without it?

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Chewtobacca said:

I doesn’t have seamless branching.

You don’t have seamless branching? How do you mange without it?

Ear mites, mostly.

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Chewtobacca said:

I doesn’t have seamless branching.

You don’t have seamless branching? How do you mange without it?

I tape my penis to my leg.

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Well I see that at the moment Harmy recommends what Team Negative1 did over this. But as much as I will enjoy that once I have my new computer I still have plans to see Harmy’s DE V2.5 until the V3 version gets worked on. I’m so glad to see that fans are doing something about preserving the OUT and I am a full supporter of what the fans do to make watching the OUT on the highest quality available (yes I know the Despecialized Editions are only in 720p at the moment).

By the way Han shot first.

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Why is their version considered better than Harmy’s?

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Pretty simple really - Unlike Despecialized, Team Negative 1’s version is 100% native HD with fairly high consistent quality and it’s 100% original version. It has some color issues but so does Despecialized.

The official BD is of course cleaner and has a bit more detail, so I’m hoping Despecialized v3.0 will surpass the image quality of the TN1 version with the newly color-corrected BD as the main source and some further cleanup of the 35mm unaltered inserts. But for the biggest purists among us, Team Negative 1’s release will likely stay the go-to version.

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Harmy’s point isn’t that it’s better, but definitely more authentic. He’s repeatedly stated that the Despecialized Edition, though put together with love and care and the highest quality sources available, is still a patchwork effort, one whose seams you can easily spot if you’re familiar enough with his process. This might be the GOUT-sourced sandcrawler or X-wings, or–one which sticks out to me and will probably be fixed in the next version–the looping crowd animation when the Falcon blasts out of Mos Eisley because some frames were missing. Team Negative1’s preservation is a straight up, unaltered 35mm print. There were some splices and replacement shots but they’re 1. unnoticeable and 2. from the same definition source.

They’re two different beasts. Harmy’s has sharper image quality for the most part because the vast majority of it is sourced from the official Blu Ray, which in turn was mastered from the original negative, whereas Team Negative1’s preservation comes from a theatrical print which is a couple generations removed from the negative and has more grain and thus slightly less detail–not too much less, though; furthermore, it has scratches, reel change marks and still some dirt. Team Negative1’s version is, however, a more visually consistent work.

EDIT: Harmy, being the one in charge of his own project, put what I was saying much more succinctly.

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Well, I support them but I do love your work, Harmy.

I guess I was just getting used to the idea of this preservation being “definitive”, if there truly can be such a thing. And the concept of it being somehow supplanted by Team -1 makes me feel a bit defensive.

I know. It’s silly.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Icecream2448 said:

What is the password for Team -1’s 35MM RAR archives?

negative1

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chyron8472 said:

Well, I support them but I do love your work, Harmy.

I guess I was just getting used to the idea of this preservation being “definitive”, if there truly can be such a thing. And the concept of it being somehow supplanted by Team -1 makes me feel a bit defensive.

I know. It’s silly.

I actually never considered it definitive in any sense of the word - I always said it was meant to be a placeholder version until something better came along and now it has and I’m glad for it 😃

Good news for those who prefer the polished image quality offered by the Despecialized Edition to the more authentic (in the sense of watching a fairly clean 4th generation copy in the cinema) Negative 1 version, is that I can now make a version of it, that will be both closer to the original version and also completely HD. It will take time though, so I recommend that you enjoy the Silver Screen Edition, which is an amazing achivement million years in the making, on your screens, this winter. 😄

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It does suffer from not having Despecialized’s colour correction, even if you said that one needed improvement.

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DavidMerrick said:

It does suffer from not having Despecialized’s colour correction, even if you said that one needed improvement.

Different strokes. TN1’s will look more like Eastman prints did in theaters (the way most people probably saw it), albeit flawed in a few scenes. Harmy’s resembles a technicolor. Still meant to look like an original print, and also flawed in some places.

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Syncing the negative1 version to the GOUT and color correcting it to match Harmy’s reference material would produce a nice copy of the film. As it stands the colors on the negative1 version seem initial. (Their color correction removed most of the red tint, but it ultimately doesn’t look very great).

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ElectricTriangle said:

Syncing the negative1 version to the GOUT and color correcting it to match Harmy’s reference material would produce a nice copy of the film. As it stands the colors on the negative1 version seem initial. (Their color correction removed most of the red tint, but it ultimately doesn’t look very great).

The Eastman and IBtech colors are two different beasts. I don’t think this release should be made to look like a Tech, as nice as the color is on those prints.

I think this release could use a few tweaks in some of the low-lighting interior scenes, but overall it looks great considering how difficult it is to correct something like this.

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Yeah, my only complaint about the TN1 version is that the colors could still use some work, especially the skin-tones, which are downright purple at times and I can’t believe that is what they look like on the actual Eastman print (Ben’s hut is a great example but there are other places where this is an issue as well, mostly in the first half of the movie).

Here’s just a really quick tweak of a couple of frames:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/158471/picture:0
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/158471/picture:1

But I agree that it would be a mistake to try and make it look like the IB prints.

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