Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 247

bilditup1 said:

LOL dude. I'm glad you figured it out, but I think I'll always be puzzled by people who think that Star Wars could possibly be considered a work of science fiction.

Well, you have laser swords and laser guns and space stations, new worlds, alien creatures...etc. So I don't think sci-fi is completely off base considering that there is so much technology/creatures/bizarre stuff in every frame. 

But up until now I considered it more of an adventure like an Errol Flynn movie.  When Luke throws the cable up and the two of them swing across the chasm with the fanfare and then those beautiful, soaring, strings- that just sums up the whole movie for me and gives it away as being a complete homage to the Golden Age.

I hope I'm not starting to sound pretentious;)

EDIT: And then with Empire Strikes Back it becomes an homage to a Wagner opera.  The music reflects this. 

And then with Return of the Jedi, it gets this really deep, Shakespeare, father/son kind of feel which is much more serious and less tongue in cheek than anything that came before it.  These two sequences:

-Vader vs. Luke in ESB

-The throne room sequence in ROTJ

gave a huge, epic feel to Star Wars- and the prequels were based on these two scenes, not on the vast majority of the OT which was adventure and fantasy and paying tribute to Western culture of the past...whether as recently as Errol Flynn or as far back as Wagner.

Sorry for rambling and for hijacking this thread. Thanks again harmy for an outstanding job on this.

Harmy said:

OK, so, the AVCHD will get a reupload once I mux it with the new tracks. The MKV won't!!! I'm just gonna add the info into the nfo and that's that. I'll make sure all audio is OK in the BD release.

So there will be no audio fixes for the MKV?  Isn't the AVCHD at a lower bitrate, making whatever fixes applied to it not as high in quality as the MKV?

This is going to get beyond frustrating before it's all over with.  Can someone just please confirm if the MKV is going to be fixed or not, and how to obtain the fix?

Thanks.

I think the idea is that if you want to fix the mkv, you should dl the tracks separately and remux it. This is not difficult, from what I hear.

Trooperman said:

bilditup1 said:

LOL dude. I'm glad you figured it out, but I think I'll always be puzzled by people who think that Star Wars could possibly be considered a work of science fiction.

Well, you have laser swords and laser guns and space stations, new worlds, alien creatures...etc. So I don't think sci-fi is completely off base considering that there is so much technology/creatures/bizarre stuff in every frame. 

But up until now I considered it more of an adventure like an Errol Flynn movie.  When Luke throws the cable up and the two of them swing across the chasm with the fanfare and then those beautiful, soaring, strings- that just sums up the whole movie for me and gives it away as being a complete homage to the Golden Age.

I hope I'm not starting to sound pretentious;)

EDIT: And then with Empire Strikes Back it becomes an homage to a Wagner opera.  The music reflects this. 

And then with Return of the Jedi, it gets this really deep, Shakespeare, father/son kind of feel which is much more serious and less tongue in cheek than anything that came before it.  These two sequences:

-Vader vs. Luke in ESB

-The throne room sequence in ROTJ

gave a huge, epic feel to Star Wars- and the prequels were based on these two scenes, not on the vast majority of the OT which was adventure and fantasy and paying tribute to Western culture of the past...whether as recently as Errol Flynn or as far back as Wagner.

Sorry for rambling and for hijacking this thread. Thanks again harmy for an outstanding job on this.

Not pretentious at all. OK, maybe, but I thought it was well-said. If you haven't already read it, you should get zombie84's book (now available, apparently, in Kindle format!):

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=the+secret+history+of+star+wars

But as to the laserswords/space stations and all that: I am reminded of an old saying from the Mishnah - don't look at the jar, but at what is inside it. I think you seem to get it now, what with your references to Errol Flynn and such...but I'm also thinking of this review, which called the 2009 Star Trek 'the best Star Wars since 'The Empire Strikes Back'', and I think explicates pretty well how to avoid the 'lasersword' trap you fell into.

http://rosslangager.com/2011/06/18/film-review-star-trek-2009/

Nearsighted Scrappile said:

Harmy said:

OK, so, the AVCHD will get a reupload once I mux it with the new tracks. The MKV won't!!! I'm just gonna add the info into the nfo and that's that. I'll make sure all audio is OK in the BD release.

So there will be no audio fixes for the MKV?  Isn't the AVCHD at a lower bitrate, making whatever fixes applied to it not as high in quality as the MKV?

This is going to get beyond frustrating before it's all over with.  Can someone just please confirm if the MKV is going to be fixed or not, and how to obtain the fix?

Thanks.

Lol dude, chill out.

hairy_hen (two pages ago) said that he'll be re-releasing the 640kbps AC3 as well.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-REMASTERED-is-now-officially-released/post/594340/#TopicPost594340

You can use either the 640kbps AC3 or the 448kbps AC3 with the already-released MKV; you just have to remux it yourself - because, as Harmy said in the above quote, he won't be remuxing the MKV - or else use the dub functionality in Media Player Classic.

In any case, hairy has also said that the issues are far less pronounced with the 640kbps AC3 originally released on the mkv:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-REMASTERED-is-now-officially-released/post/594217/#TopicPost594217

Outside of the first 30 secs of it (the Fox Fanfare), I didn't notice any issues with it on my surround system, anyway.

bilditup1 said:

"I am reminded of an old saying from the Mishnah - don't look at the jar, but at what is inside it."

LOL...in laymen's terms..."don't judge a book by its cover". Well, not exactly, but in a broad sense the message is the same. Now who's being pretentious...

bilditup1 said:

Trooperman said:

bilditup1 said:

LOL dude. I'm glad you figured it out, but I think I'll always be puzzled by people who think that Star Wars could possibly be considered a work of science fiction.

Well, you have laser swords and laser guns and space stations, new worlds, alien creatures...etc. So I don't think sci-fi is completely off base considering that there is so much technology/creatures/bizarre stuff in every frame. 

But up until now I considered it more of an adventure like an Errol Flynn movie.  When Luke throws the cable up and the two of them swing across the chasm with the fanfare and then those beautiful, soaring, strings- that just sums up the whole movie for me and gives it away as being a complete homage to the Golden Age.

I hope I'm not starting to sound pretentious;)

EDIT: And then with Empire Strikes Back it becomes an homage to a Wagner opera.  The music reflects this. 

And then with Return of the Jedi, it gets this really deep, Shakespeare, father/son kind of feel which is much more serious and less tongue in cheek than anything that came before it.  These two sequences:

-Vader vs. Luke in ESB

-The throne room sequence in ROTJ

gave a huge, epic feel to Star Wars- and the prequels were based on these two scenes, not on the vast majority of the OT which was adventure and fantasy and paying tribute to Western culture of the past...whether as recently as Errol Flynn or as far back as Wagner.

Sorry for rambling and for hijacking this thread. Thanks again harmy for an outstanding job on this.

Not pretentious at all. OK, maybe, but I thought it was well-said. If you haven't already read it, you should get zombie84's book (now available, apparently, in Kindle format!):

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=the+secret+history+of+star+wars

But as to the laserswords/space stations and all that: I am reminded of an old saying from the Mishnah - don't look at the jar, but at what is inside it. I think you seem to get it now, what with your references to Errol Flynn and such...but I'm also thinking of this review, which called the 2009 Star Trek 'the best Star Wars since 'The Empire Strikes Back'', and I think explicates pretty well how to avoid the 'lasersword' trap you fell into.

http://rosslangager.com/2011/06/18/film-review-star-trek-2009/

Thanks for your response.  I'll check out those links.  That is very true...it's not the jar, but what's inside it.  Don't look at the cover, but at the words in the book.  Sci-fi is just a way to disguise the Errol Flynn/fantasy story. 

bilditup1 said:

Nearsighted Scrappile said:

Harmy said:

OK, so, the AVCHD will get a reupload once I mux it with the new tracks. The MKV won't!!! I'm just gonna add the info into the nfo and that's that. I'll make sure all audio is OK in the BD release.

So there will be no audio fixes for the MKV?  Isn't the AVCHD at a lower bitrate, making whatever fixes applied to it not as high in quality as the MKV?

This is going to get beyond frustrating before it's all over with.  Can someone just please confirm if the MKV is going to be fixed or not, and how to obtain the fix?

Thanks.

Lol dude, chill out.

hairy_hen (two pages ago) said that he'll be re-releasing the 640kbps AC3 as well.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-REMASTERED-is-now-officially-released/post/594340/#TopicPost594340

You can use either the 640kbps AC3 or the 448kbps AC3 with the already-released MKV; you just have to remux it yourself - because, as Harmy said in the above quote, he won't be remuxing the MKV - or else use the dub functionality in Media Player Classic.

In any case, hairy has also said that the issues are far less pronounced with the 640kbps AC3 originally released on the mkv:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-REMASTERED-is-now-officially-released/post/594217/#TopicPost594217

Outside of the first 30 secs of it (the Fox Fanfare), I didn't notice any issues with it on my surround system, anyway.

I'll "chill out" once I know the situation is resolved.  I hope there will be instructions and links to any programs we might need when the fixed audio is available.

No shit, Sherlock.  I am just venting my concern because it was stated that no new MKV files were going to be made by Harmy.  I see now that h_h is going to do the fix himself.  So, I patiently await the new information on the fix.

Take it easy with the tone of your posts. Consider this your first warning. Please review the very simple rules:

- Jay

It's barely a situation; that's why no new mkv is getting released. If you just want to be able to listen to the ac3 with the movie and are using a Windows laptop connected to a TV, you could just add the audio you want in the dub field of the Open File dialog of Media Player Classic Home Cinema (open with Ctrl + O):

A more permanent solution not dependent on what playback program you use would be to use MKVToolNix to mux the new audio file in and leave out the old one:

In the above example, I said 'rename it to whatever you want', but you should specify the new track as the default by selecting 'yes' from the menu next to 'default track flag'. I renamed it in the above example to the same label as the current h_h 5.1 has on the mkv, "1977 5.1 @ 640kbps", for consistency.

flynn2000 said:

I see Star Wars as a milange of a Western movies and World War II adventure films. 

I can definitely see WWII with the imperial uniforms and with all of the aerial dogfighting. 

And I can definitely see westerns...I think I actually made the comment before that when "Star Wars" came out, westerns were still really popular and prevalent in culture, so Han shooting Greedo under the table, and the whole cantina sequence, would have seemed like no big deal at the time.

In 1997, westerns had died out and I think maybe Lucas forgot that there are scenes like the cantina scene in many, many westerns. 

Thanks for the instructions, bilditup1.  Getting a warning for being concerned about the quality is ridiculous, but it is what it is.  I've never received one at any forum I have ever visited before.  And I am the one that is told to chill!

That was not my intent and I apologize.  I in no way feel I am entitled to anything.  I was under the impression that the MKV wasn't going to get anymore attention, but now it is cleared up and I am aware that h_h is on the case.  I really didn't want to have to download the AVCHD so I was concerned.  So let's all please stop with the swipes at each other, and resume regular programming.

Sorry for the drama.  Back on topic!

Harmy, Hairy_Hen, and others have devoted countless hours of their lives to fixing these films purely out of the goodness of their hearts, asking for nothing in return.

Just sayin the 'sherlock' comments aren't going to make anyone want to help you.

*Typed this before the above apology was posted. Good to see we're all playing nice :)