Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 181

n00b said:

Laserschwert said:

The lower pitch is correct. When it was brought from film (23.976 fps) to PAL (25 fps) for all the home video release before the Blu-ray, the pitch got higher, which was, of course, wrong (but never fixed). But the framerate isn't the only thing that needs fixing to make it sync up with Harmy's versions - at least TESB and ROTJ need some trimming as well. You should check the German preservation thread about all this :)

Thanks, this would mean everything's alright now. Trimming = delaying the track for 1 or 2 seconds in that case?

Are you going to provide Harmy with the track? Otherwise, I'll do so.

 

I sent Harmy the links. Trimming was only something in the milliseconds range and only for TESB and ROTJ.

The only problem is that the German GOUT of SW isn't perfect as it has some lines of dialogue missing. Those missing lines could be taken from other Laserdisc sources and the Blu-ray though.

Harmy said:

I'll definitely want those German tracks, thanks Laserschwert :-)

@Jan: But what program should I use? X264 is a codec, so I assume that I'll need some software to run it, right?

No, you can simply copy x264.exe on your harddrive and run it via commandline. Alternatively you can use one of the many GUIs, f.e. MeGUI. It's a matter of taste really.

I know what I'll be doing today at work haha! Thanks Harmy!  It's awesome this project is finally nearing a finish.

Already another WP, great! :)

Oldschooljedi said:

MeGUI might be the most powerful tool to make x264 encodings but sadly I must say that I have no idea how to tweak the settings to get the best results.

Well, I think nobody does.

Laserschwert said:

I sent Harmy the links. Trimming was only something in the milliseconds range and only for TESB and ROTJ.

The only problem is that the German GOUT of SW isn't perfect as it has some lines of dialogue missing. Those missing lines could be taken from other Laserdisc sources and the Blu-ray though.

Many thanks for your efforts. But we are talking about the same thing - delaying the audio track, right?

Those few missing lines shouldn't be a huge problem as they aren't essential and different lines were missing in nearly every release. For example, the GOUT of TESB has more lines than the 2004 DVD or the 1995 THX VHS release. Do you really think anybody should extract the lines from DTS-HD 5.1 and mix them into the 2.0 track? This could cause even more damage.

Harmy, one tip - would you mind using the end credits from the early versions of the movie ?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Credits-Leaders-Thread-was-Star-Wars-Pre-Re-release-Credit-Change-June-77/topic/12960/

n00b said:

Many thanks for your efforts. But we are talking about the same thing - delaying the audio track, right?

Those few missing lines shouldn't be a huge problem as they aren't essential and different lines were missing in nearly every release. For example, the GOUT of TESB has more lines than the 2004 DVD or the 1995 THX VHS release. Do you really think anybody should extract the lines from DTS-HD 5.1 and mix them into the 2.0 track? This could cause even more damage.

Well, I've already done that a couple of minutes ago ;) Those lines were included in the theatrical mix, so I think they should be in there for the Despecialization.

I've used the German Blu-ray center channel, filtered it to match the dialogue quality of the GOUT audio, and put the handful of missing sentences back into the mix. I'd say it sounds seamless.

I'll encode to AC3 and upload the whole thing, so you guys can judge for yourself.

Also I think Luffy's version still had the wrong pitch.

Edit: By the way, the german GOUT audio seems to have a lower volume than the English track (which seems to be normalized to 0dB). Does anybody know if there's a "correct" normalization limit the track should go to?

As far as I know normalizing to 0dB is usually wrong, and broadcast material is always normalized to -6dB (and the German GOUT audio has its peak at -6.7dB)...

Laserschwert said:

Well, I've already done that a couple of minutes ago ;) Those lines were included in the theatrical mix, so I think they should be in there for the Despecialization.

I've used the German Blu-ray center channel, filtered it to match the dialogue quality of the GOUT audio, and put the handful of missing sentences back into the mix. I'd say it sounds seamless.

I'll encode to AC3 and upload the whole thing, so you guys can judge for yourself.

That's awesome! I don't think I even need to listen to it because I trust your abilities. Am I right that the German GOUT tracks of TESB and ROTJ don't miss any lines?

Harmy said:

We'll see about that, I hope so anyway :-)

Here's WP3 reel 6:

http://uloz.to/xBr9hR7/deed-wp3r6-mp4

Sadly, I get a download speed of 8,5 kb/s. The download would take about 3 days :-(

n00b said:

Am I right that the German GOUT tracks of TESB and ROTJ don't miss any lines?

Not to my knowledge.

Laserschwert said:

n00b said:

Am I right that the German GOUT tracks of TESB and ROTJ don't miss any lines?

Not to my knowledge.

Sorry guys, I have to disappoint you! There are lines missing in the german gout from esb and rotj...

TESB:

While the escape-scene when C3PO discovers R2 from the back of Chewie, Chewie turns around and gives a cry. This "cry" of Chewie is missing in the gout, you only see Chewie openung his mouth...

RoTJ:

When the rebels on Endor try to infiltrate the imperial base, Han Solo starts by giving a pack on one of the stormtroopers back, this stormtrooper turns around and shouts out: "Hey!". This "Hey" is missing in the german gout...

I used the GOUT and inserted the most (but sadly not all) missing lines by using the SE and the BluRay... Result is an improved GOUT, but far away from the brilliant audio-quality of the BluRay... 

Ideally we should try to incorporate the remastered German dialogues (from the Blu-rays' center channels) into Hairy_Hen's 5.1 mixes as another option besides the (fixed) GOUT tracks.

Also I'd say we can easily create fixed German GOUT tracks for TESB and ROTJ as well ;)

Harmy said:

Yeah, no. I'm not redoing the credits, sorry. Especially since the assumption is that the credits I'm using were the more widely seen version in '77, so it's not even a contradiction to have them together with the '77 crawl.

Not sure which was more widely seen - I will note that more of the bootlegs have the early credits than the later.

It's your call, of course. I think it's better to recreate the revised version, since then you don't have to recreate the botched transition where John Barry's credit scrolls up *through* Jack Purvis' name as it's fading out.

So is the entire reel 6 GOUT sourced?  Some of the scenes are exceptionally clear!

re encoding, I've had good results with hcenc.

TV's Frink said:

re encoding, I've had good results with hcenc.

I don't know that much about the topic but I'm pretty sure he'd rather use the far superior x264 over hcenc's mpeg2 encoder.

Edit:  If you were talking about the DVD5 than ,yes, I totally agree.

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